bumblebee or firefly?

It is really hard to decide which one to get. Both of them are awesome morphs!
I have a pastel female that i'm planning to breed next year, so which male should i get?
some opinions please!

I vote firefly - Fire is a much hotter gene right now than spider.

Mmm, I love bee's!!!!!

Fireflies are awesome but I like killer bees more then I like superflies so I vote for a bee.

I love the fire gene. It gets my vote.

Waynutt both?

Get a fire spider and make fire bees, with the chance of fireflys and bees. ;)

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kodieh

Waynutt both?

Get a fire spider and make fire bees, with the chance of fireflys and bees. ;)

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4

---

Best suggestion yet. :gj:

Fire.... fire.....FIRE!!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by STjepkes

Fire.... fire.....FIRE!!!!

---

Beavis and Butthead reference?

spider is a bit overdone.

i just checked a few breeders yesterday, checked their pairings and what they have to offer.

i dont care much for spider, and one breeder had spider in like 70% of all the hatchlings he has to offer.

sure, fire is also popular, but not as much, and there are the beautiful super fires. and with super fire there actually is a lot of stuff that has not been done yet.

I hate to be 'that guy' but I would choose whichever one you personally like more. Sure, there is a lot of spider stuff out there but it's because it is a dramatic mutation. Have you seen an adult single gene fire? Not impressive to me. They look cool in combos as babies but I really think that in a few seasons when there are more adults around people will realize it's not that cool of a gene. It does some cool pattern stuff though if you get the right one or do the right combo.

In the end, you're only going to have fun with this if you're producing animals that YOU like... so don't choose because people are saying fires are worth more money right now. They are all the same species - don't base your choice on what OTHER people are willing to pay more money for. You may very well end up keeping babies forever if they can't sell or dropping the price to where the spider combos and fire combos are the same. Base your choice on what YOU want to buy for YOUR collection. Breeding should be secondary IMHO.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrLang

I hate to be 'that guy' but I would choose whichever one you personally like more. Sure, there is a lot of spider stuff out there but it's because it is a dramatic mutation. Have you seen an adult single gene fire? Not impressive to me. They look cool in combos as babies but I really think that in a few seasons when there are more adults around people will realize it's not that cool of a gene. It does some cool pattern stuff though if you get the right one or do the right combo.

In the end, you're only going to have fun with this if you're producing animals that YOU like... so don't choose because people are saying fires are worth more money right now. They are all the same species - don't base your choice on what OTHER people are willing to pay more money for. You may very well end up keeping babies forever if they can't sell or dropping the price to where the spider combos and fire combos are the same. Base your choice on what YOU want to buy for YOUR collection. Breeding should be secondary IMHO.

---

X100!

I was reading through this thread going :confusd: or :rolleyes: or :O.

If this is a business decision, then you treat it like a business and go for the best possible return on your investment.

But if this is a personal decision, you go for what your target morph is which you would like to have and not what others would like to buy.

I'm looking at my bumblebee and looking at fire combos and I'm all crazy about my bumblebee. He is top notch the best looking one I have seen including those I've seen in Reptile Shows. Okay, okay, that's a lie. It's the best looking one of the morphs in my price range.

So, another one of my that-makes-me-drool snakes is a white snake. Well, I can go buy it or I can go on a breeding project to produce it. I happen to have a yellowbelly I won from the yearly contest here from Murdoc. So, I might just go on a multi-season project if I can figure out what to do with the non-ivory babies.

But yea, I thought the poll was about what I want to have not what others want to buy from me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anatess

If this is a business decision, then you treat it like a business and go for the best possible return on your investment.

---

thats not it, no single post is getting at it from that perspective.

Quote:

---

But if this is a personal decision, you go for what your target morph is which you would like to have and not what others would like to buy.

---

if that is the case, OP would not have started a thread with a poll asking for our opinions.

Quote:

---

I'm looking at my bumblebee and looking at fire combos and I'm all crazy about my bumblebee. He is top notch the best looking one I have seen including those I've seen in Reptile Shows. Okay, okay, that's a lie. It's the best looking one of the morphs in my price range.

---

thats your opinion. my opinion is that the massive amount of spiders, bees and spinners often make me wonder: what would that look like without spider in it?

Quote:

---

So, another one of my that-makes-me-drool snakes is a white snake. Well, I can go buy it or I can go on a breeding project to produce it. I happen to have a yellowbelly I won from the yearly contest here from Murdoc. So, I might just go on a multi-season project if I can figure out what to do with the non-ivory babies.

---

super fire! super fire! super fire! :D :D

Quote:

---

But yea, I thought the poll was about what I want to have not what others want to buy from me.

---

noone talked about that, and if you think that was what my post is about: no it isnt. nowhere did i mention price. i just see so many spinners, bees, honeybees, lesser bees, humble bees, stinger bees, enchi killerbees, queen bees, caliders, spider double-het XY, and spieds that im slowly getting sick of it, thats all ;) Its like when you hear a new song and you think: "oh, that sounds really great". and then every radio station everywhere puts the song on intensive rotation, and over an extended period of time they just play it to death. And when you hear it then, you are like "Just give me something else, not that again for the 10^10th time".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MrLang

I hate to be 'that guy' but I would choose whichever one you personally like more. Sure, there is a lot of spider stuff out there but it's because it is a dramatic mutation. Have you seen an adult single gene fire? Not impressive to me. They look cool in combos as babies but I really think that in a few seasons when there are more adults around people will realize it's not that cool of a gene. It does some cool pattern stuff though if you get the right one or do the right combo.

In the end, you're only going to have fun with this if you're producing animals that YOU like... so don't choose because people are saying fires are worth more money right now. They are all the same species - don't base your choice on what OTHER people are willing to pay more money for. You may very well end up keeping babies forever if they can't sell or dropping the price to where the spider combos and fire combos are the same. Base your choice on what YOU want to buy for YOUR collection. Breeding should be secondary IMHO.

---

Most definitely!!! Any breeding project for any animal is to make better animals for yourself and sell off the non holdbacks to further your hobby.
If you're not doing it for that reason, it's not worth doing.

Look at what YOU personally want to own.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4

Bumblebees all the way! Fires are nice, but the bright colors on a bee are amazing! Good luck, tough choice!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

thats your opinion. my opinion is that the massive amount of spiders, bees and spinners often make me wonder: what would that look like without spider in it?

---

That's what a poll is for... getting people's opinions. And my opinion is... seems like everyone has that whatever-bee morp that I find so freaking awesome except me! Gotta have it!

But even on the songs on the radio, there's one I really like and then it starts getting played out over and over and over. But there's a reason I like that song and it never gets played out enough for me. Demons by Imagine Dragons is one of those songs. I can play that song 24/7 without getting tired of it. Now, that song Blurred Lines... it sounded cool at first and then it gets played out over and over and over on the radio and I realized I don't like that song after all.

Other songs I have on my small playlist that gets played over and over and over and I've been listening to these for decades! Firesign by Skid Row, You're The Voice by Heart, Under Pressure by Queen, Rio by Duranduran... this is how I feel about the bumblebee.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

thats not it, no single post is getting at it from that perspective.


if that is the case, OP would not have started a thread with a poll asking for our opinions.


thats your opinion. my opinion is that the massive amount of spiders, bees and spinners often make me wonder: what would that look like without spider in it?

super fire! super fire! super fire! :D :D


noone talked about that, and if you think that was what my post is about: no it isnt. nowhere did i mention price. i just see so many spinners, bees, honeybees, lesser bees, humble bees, stinger bees, enchi killerbees, queen bees, caliders, spider double-het XY, and spieds that im slowly getting sick of it, thats all ;) Its like when you hear a new song and you think: "oh, that sounds really great". and then every radio station everywhere puts the song on intensive rotation, and over an extended period of time they just play it to death. And when you hear it then, you are like "Just give me something else, not that again for the 10^10th time".

---

You don't have any snakes, I really don't think you're opinion is pertinent here.

Anyway, it is up to you OP. I like my fire spider idea, if you're into making what you want.

Choose what jumps out at you though.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4

thanks a lot for all the opinions!
i will look through more of the bees and fireflies and see which one of them i prefer

without currently owning BPs, i can still have my aesthetics and genetics in place :) I would suggest a Jigsaw (pinstripe mojave). For pastave, lemonblast, jigsaw, and jigsaw blast.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

without currently owning BPs, i can still have my aesthetics and genetics in place :) I would suggest a Jigsaw (pinstripe mojave). For pastave, lemonblast, jigsaw, and jigsaw blast.

---

lol, agreed. It's not like you have to have first-hand experience to give advice on which morph you think is 'prettier'. :P

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Anya

lol, agreed. It's not like you have to have first-hand experience to give advice on which morph you think is 'prettier'. :P

---

Your opinion is yours, and mine is mine. Have fun with your thoughts.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4

Man, Kodieh, are you okay today? No need to be passive aggressive. I didn't think we were enemies...

Yea Kodie, eat a snickers. You get a little bit snippy when you're hungry!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by decensored

I vote firefly - Fire is a much hotter gene right now than spider.

---

Was the pun intended? ;)

i didnt want things getting out of hand, i just dont like spider, and other people like it, and i dont mind. Can we leave it at that? I really dont like spider and other people really do like the gene.

And yes at the moment im saving up but do not currently own any snakes, is that clear? So what? I still know what i know.

I voted firefly.

Bumblebees may look nice as hatchlings, but they brown out like single gene pastels. Some more or less than others. I've seen bumblebees so dark that they look like single gene spiders.
Fireflies get better with age in my personal opinion. Sure, some of the lower quality ones may dull out as adults, but as a whole, they're bad ass looking adults since fire is a lightening and enhancer gene. They make other single genes pop.

But Kodieh has a good solution. A fire spider will allow you to hatch both a firefly and bumble bee on top of fire bumblebees when bred to your pastel. And fire bumblebees generally don't brown out like a regular bumblebee.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kodieh

You don't have any snakes, I really don't think you're opinion is pertinent here.

---

Lighten up Francis...this isn't your thread...

It would depend on the morphology and genetics. Personally I prefer Bee's, however I have seen some awesome looking Fire's.
Sorry, I have a non answer...need more info.:)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by satomi325

I voted firefly.

Bumblebees may look nice as hatchlings, but they brown out like single gene pastels. Some more or less than others. I've seen bumblebees so dark that they look like single gene spiders.

---

Not this bee. 2 years old. And he's not even my best one!
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps8f91848a.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anatess

Not this bee. 2 years old. And he's not even my best one!
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps8f91848a.jpg

---

He is quite nice.
Unfortunately he isn't the norm though. I've only seen one other bumblebee that hasn't browned out as an adult and that belongs to Doolittle.
Otherwise, I've seen ugly brown adult bees.

Most adults I've seen look like this or worse:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...hon_187060.jpg

Here she is! She is 2 1/2 years old, 2300 grams. These 2 pics were June/August
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/nuhyragu.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/redyse8u.jpg

Here is a crappy cell pic from about 30 minutes ago.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/gydumy8u.jpg

One of the best bees there is!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

Here she is! She is 2 1/2 years old, 2300 grams. These 2 pics were June/August
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/nuhyragu.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/redyse8u.jpg

Here is a crappy cell pic from about 30 minutes ago.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/gydumy8u.jpg

---

Best bumblebee hands down. Its a shame most aren't as nice as adults.:(

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DooLittle

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/11/redyse8u.jpg

---

Wow...very nice. I think your girl and my girl could pass for clutch-mates. :D

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...s/IMG_4062.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by STjepkes

Fire.... fire.....FIRE!!!!

---

http://webassets.scea.com/forums/940...n%2Bbeavis.png

Yea
my main concern with bees are that they brown out as they age (most of the time). but that bee you got is almost as light as a orange dream bee!

my pastel is browning out already, but she got some really cool blushing on the sides though. so i don't think i can get a bee like yours.
Next month i'm going to a reptile show, and i will see what the breeders got! I think both bees and fireflies will look much better than pictures/vids. i will see which one of those looks cooler to me and grab one!

thanks a bunch for the opinions!:banana:

Battle of the bees:

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps1d344cdc.jpg

Hmmm. He looks small in this pic. He's 1500 grams. 2 years old, taken last week. I love his zorro stripe.

1 2 3 4 I declare a bee war:

(need better lighting on him)

http://imageshack.us/a/img854/7773/87gh.jpg

Coleslaw needs to post pics of hers!!

My bee is useless in this thread haha

Bee war!!!

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4024/4...003088f6_z.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mike41793

Coleslaw needs to post pics of hers!!

---

She needs to post her amazing flies

BAM!

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...7/SANY0062.jpg

Okay, this is a baby picture. I don't have an adult picture. I adopted her out to a breeder as I thought she is an almost perfect example of the bumblebee and is breeder quality.

I WILL VOTE FOR THE FIREFLY 10 TIMES IF I COULD.FOR THE BEE WAR I GUESS MY ADULT GIRL DOESN T HAVE PLACE HERE... BUT MY 2013 BABIES DATE YOU IN 2 YEARS .... HAHAHA.



http://b329.photo.store.qq.com/psb?/...rf=photoDetail

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by decensored

I vote firefly - Fire is a much hotter gene right now than spider.

---

Why be a follower,be a leader. Who cares what's hotter right now. It's about what you like.

i say BB

Neither!!! Killer Firebee or Firebee!:D
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...9/dscn6585.jpg

Heres my bee....1800g, 3 yrs old...http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/13/aheraga5.jpg
Did i win the bee war?? :p ...they really do look better in person tho. Pictures n video dont show how bright mine is.
sent from my incubator

This is a tough one I love both, have both, have combined both ( Firebee) I'll echo one of the others look to get a Fire Spider instead.

If you can't I say get a very nice selectively bred Bee.

Both :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kodieh

Waynutt both?

Get a fire spider and make fire bees, with the chance of fireflys and bees. ;)

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk 4

---

Totally! What is better than a bumblebee? Fire Bee!!

Wish I could help with a fire spider,but all I have is a female.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...9/dscn6609.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...9/dscn6754.jpg