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Sex Guarantee

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  • 08-24-2013, 01:26 AM
    Kodieh
    Sex Guarantee
    Is it unrealistic or rude to ask for a sex guarantee?

    I mean, when you think in terms of selling an animal one way and it turns out the other, is it also unreasonable to ask for a refund of the animal?

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  • 08-24-2013, 01:28 AM
    Neal
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kodieh View Post
    Is it unrealistic or rude to ask for a sex guarantee?

    I mean, when you think in terms of selling an animal one way and it turns out the other, is it also unreasonable to ask for a refund of the animal?

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    Honestly, I would say it's not unreasonable. As a seller when you say it's this sex, that's your word of mouth guarantee. I think all sellers should do this to be honest, the only thing is that they don't know if that's still their original animal or not, especially down the road.
  • 08-24-2013, 01:34 AM
    The Serpent Merchant
    If a seller lists the snake as a certain gender they should stand behind it, otherwise they should just list it as unknown.
  • 08-24-2013, 01:47 AM
    Kodieh
    Okay, I feel more comfortable with that. I kept thinking about it, and in terms of "morph gender" listings, if it's not the right morph or gender usually people do stand behind it.

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  • 08-24-2013, 02:24 AM
    don15681
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    I give a 30 day sex guarantee. at the shows, I always recommend having someone check it again before they leave. the guarantee is so someone don't come to me a year or 2 later. I also check any snake I receive within a reasonable amount of time, and if someone didn't get it check within the 30 days. but shortly after, I would still honor the guarantee. I'm not trying to get out of a mistake, but just having it done in a reasonable amount of time.
  • 08-24-2013, 03:06 AM
    treeboa
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by don15681 View Post
    I give a 30 day sex guarantee. at the shows, I always recommend having someone check it again before they leave. the guarantee is so someone don't come to me a year or 2 later. I also check any snake I receive within a reasonable amount of time, and if someone didn't get it check within the 30 days. but shortly after, I would still honor the guarantee. I'm not trying to get out of a mistake, but just having it done in a reasonable amount of time.

    I agree with this. I've seen a few threads on the BOI where people have come back when the snake is mature and demand all sorts of things. Replacements, refunds, and (most unreasonable of all) compensation for the original animal and lost revenue for hatchlings that would have been produced. It's hard to feel sorry for them when they never double checked or waited 2-3 years to do it.
  • 08-24-2013, 03:48 AM
    Kodieh
    I dont think I can expect them to meet me somewhere I can have it double checked but I would take it and have it sexed, at which time if it was sexed differently than advertised they'd be seeing me again shortly.

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  • 08-24-2013, 04:58 AM
    DPBallPythons
    Make the seller double check. If you buy over the Internet, ask the seller to pop the animal and take a picture of the package, lol. You could also check the gender of the animal when it arrives, just to be sure. :)
  • 08-24-2013, 07:22 AM
    Freakie_frog
    Sex Guarantee
    Sex doesn't change and mistakes do happen. So for me as a breeder if I mess up and you don't find out till six months later. I need to make that right.
  • 08-24-2013, 08:10 AM
    Neal
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Freakie_frog View Post
    Sex doesn't change and mistakes do happen. So for me as a breeder if I mess up and you don't find out till six months later. I need to make that right.

    Because you sir are a hell of a breeder. Sucks I won't get to meet you next month in person though.
  • 08-24-2013, 08:44 AM
    treeboa
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Freakie_frog View Post
    Sex doesn't change and mistakes do happen. So for me as a breeder if I mess up and you don't find out till six months later. I need to make that right.

    This is why it's a good idea to state your terms clearly up front. You should make it right because mistakes do happen, but how far should we be expected to bend over backwards. Having a time limit prevents customers from scamming you, too. How do you know 2-3 years later that it's even the same snake? And it prevents the unreasonable requests like refund plus lost revenue that I've seen people come back with. Customer service is all important but customers have to act reasonably too.
  • 08-24-2013, 12:19 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Freakie_frog View Post
    Sex doesn't change and mistakes do happen. So for me as a breeder if I mess up and you don't find out till six months later. I need to make that right.

    ^^^^^
    This

    Of course I encourage people to sex their animal upon arrival this way if a mistake is made it can be corrected immediately, however as Ed said, sex won't change whether it is 6 month or 2 years down the road and therefore the mistake should be corrected regardless of the time frame that went by.

    For those that think after 2 years it's unreasonable to expect compensation, if hets don't prove after 2 or 3 years YOU or anyone would expect compensation right? Well sex is the same thing.
  • 08-24-2013, 12:20 PM
    Neal
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
    ^^^^^
    This

    Of course I encourage people to sex their animal upon arrival this way if a mistake is made it can be corrected immediately, however as Ed said, sex won't change whether it is 6 month or 2 years down the road and therefore the mistake should be corrected regardless of the time frame that went by.

    For those that think after 2 years it's unreasonable to expect compensation, if hets don't prove after 2 or 3 years YOU or anyone would expect compensation right? Well sex is the same thing.

    Yea Deborah, but how would you know it's the same snake? That would be my only concern.
  • 08-24-2013, 12:43 PM
    jason79
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Neal View Post
    Yea Deborah, but how would you know it's the same snake? That would be my only concern.

    You take pictures before you sell. Patterns don't change either.
  • 08-24-2013, 12:45 PM
    Neal
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jason79 View Post
    You take pictures before you sell. Patterns don't change either.

    True, but how many people really do that?
  • 08-24-2013, 12:48 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Neal View Post
    Yea Deborah, but how would you know it's the same snake? That would be my only concern.

    When people buy from me they get a certificate of origin containing a picture of the animal being sold (it's mainly to help my customer when they wish to re-sell their animal, future buyer may want to know where the snake comes from)

    This certificate is on a CD along with several other pictures (to which they get full copyright) and I keep a folder for each of my customers with picture of the animal(s) they bought. (Helps identify the snake and if you buy a snake from someone that tells you he bought it from me I can verify that as well with the lineage)
  • 08-24-2013, 12:51 PM
    Neal
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
    When people buy from me they get a certificate of origin containing a picture of the animal being sold (it's mainly to help my customer when they wish to re-sell their animal, future buyer may want to know where the snake comes from)

    This certificate is on a CD along with several other pictures (to which they get full copyright) and I keep a folder for each of my customers with picture of the animal(s) they bought. (Helps identify the snake and if you buy a snake from someone that tells you he bought it from me I can verify that as well with the lineage)

    That's awesome. Can you show me some kind of example so that way I can do it if I ever decide to start breeding to sell?
  • 08-24-2013, 12:54 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Neal View Post
    That's awesome. Can you show me some kind of example so that way I can do it if I ever decide to start breeding to sell?

    PM me you email addy and I will send you a sample.
  • 08-24-2013, 02:18 PM
    snakesRkewl
    I guarantee a snakes sex for the person I sell it to for as long as they own that animal.
    Same with my het guarantee, as long as they own it I will back my hets/morph hets.
  • 08-24-2013, 02:46 PM
    steve_r34
    my 2 cents .. once u get the animal it should be sexed unless u want to wait to it settles in about a week .. if u dont know how to sex animals u should learn .. if u are breeding or trying to breed for fun or to try and make a buck and u dont know how to sex the animal i suggest u stop and learn a thing or 2 b4 u try again .. it is not hard to pop it just takes pratice i do not probe personally but im sure thats not hard to learn either ..
  • 08-24-2013, 04:47 PM
    Kodieh
    I'll take your insinuation under advisement.

    He gave me a sex guarantee, so I'll be getting it double checked afterwards to be super sure. I'm getting a steal, so I'm not too worried. Seems like a great guy, he double checked and got peed on lol.

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  • 08-24-2013, 06:26 PM
    treeboa
    Re: Sex Guarantee
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jason79 View Post
    You take pictures before you sell. Patterns don't change either.

    True for the most part with BP, although some morphs can look somewhat different because of increased blushing and such (Super pastels). Some snakes, lke carpet pythons, look very different at 2-3 than at hatch. I guess what I mean is unreasonable is expecting extra compensation because of lost revenue. I't not my fault if they wait until it's mature and doesn't breed to get it fixed. Replacement, refund, no problem. With hets too there are limits. I saw someone try to go after BHB for a het not proving out after like 4-5 years and the snake changing hands like 4 times again expecting extra compensation for lost revenue. I just think there are expectations and then there unreasonable expectations.
  • 08-25-2013, 12:08 PM
    Kodieh
    Everything went great! I got to see a lot of things I haven't seen or held in person, the short list is caramel, pied, desert, tiger, and sugar. I made a really great connection in the community and got a heck of a deal for everything I left with.

    I'll make a new thread once everything settles, and I'll post a link in here to it when it happens.
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