40 pythons found in Motel room

More trouble for you Canadians



http://ca.news.yahoo.com/forty-pytho...tsrc=samsungwn


Are they really illegal over there??

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

More trouble for you Canadians



http://ca.news.yahoo.com/forty-pytho...tsrc=samsungwn


Are they really illegal over there??

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Not just "over here".
Everywhere.

If you read the article it is not a federal law which would apply to the whole country, or even a provincial law that would apply to the province in question but, a single city by-law.
Almost all towns have these in droves, to the point that your average citizen is a criminal whether they know it or not.
This is why if "more government" is the answer you must be asking the wrong questions.
I just found a stunned by-law that will require me to register (and pay for of course) a licence for each ball python I own in this city but not an Indigo snake that is two feet longer (because it doesn't have "python" in its' name). Of course there is no information on who to make it payable to, or where to pay it, or hours of operation. This despite many lengthy searches specifically for such laws to stay in the green with my hobby in this city, instead I found out about it completely by accident.
Ahhh, forget that I am hereby renaming my BP's "African Gartersnakes"

But in this case the cops decided to enforce it just for the heck of it??

Can't have boids in Saskatchewan. No bps or boas.

I'm in Alberta. No live Norway rats or hognoses.

I say all us snake lovers create out own gigantic island and move there. No more stupid pet laws.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

Can't have boids in Saskatchewan. No bps or boas.

I'm in Alberta. No live Norway rats or hognoses.

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Does the western hognose range extend north into Alberta Bobbafett?
There is alot of cases where indigenous wildlife aren't allowed. Here in Ontario I can't have Smooth Green snakes(without a ton of paperwork and continual reporting) but, I can have Rough Greens.
Too bad Eastern Hoggies have such strange dietary requirements or you'd likely be able to keep those there. Not to mention the paintjob variation in wild populations just smokes the Westerns. Their husbandry requirements prevented a stellar hobbyist snake.

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

I say all us snake lovers create out own gigantic island and move there. No more stupid pet laws.

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Aha, you making it or buying it for us?

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Are they really illegal over there??

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Every municipality makes their own exotics laws in Ontario.

There are no federal or provincial laws governing the keeping of exotic pets in Canada. The municipalities are responsible for creating laws and regulations for this kind of thing. It is not illegal in Canada to have Ball Pythons, nor is it illegal in Toronto where I am - However it is illegal to have anything over 10 feet. Seeing that the Ontario government feels the need to review their legislation on this topic, I hope they adopt what Toronto has in place. It will at least save us ball python, and boa keepers. Some cities in Ontario have banned any constrictor over 2 feet in length.. If they decide that's the way to go than a lot of people will have no choice but to euthanize their pets.. It's very unsettled up here right now.

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Originally Posted by Raven01

Does the western hognose range extend north into Alberta Bobbafett?
There is alot of cases where indigenous wildlife aren't allowed. Here in Ontario I can't have Smooth Green snakes(without a ton of paperwork and continual reporting) but, I can have Rough Greens.
Too bad Eastern Hoggies have such strange dietary requirements or you'd likely be able to keep those there. Not to mention the paintjob variation in wild populations just smokes the Westerns. Their husbandry requirements prevented a stellar hobbyist snake.

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Yep, same here. Western hognoses are located down south towards the border. :(

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Originally Posted by decensored

If they decide that's the way to go than a lot of people will have no choice but to euthanize their pets.. It's very unsettled up here right now.

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So if these laws are put into place, hundreds of thousands of animals will have to die.... but of course that's totally okay because it's just snakes, right? :/
Imagine the uproar if it was a fuzzy little animal.

Oh boy...great..

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/16/world/...ons/index.html

More irresponsible hobbyists putting more nails in the coffin...

CHECK. YOUR. LEGISLATURE.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

But in this case the cops decided to enforce it just for the heck of it??

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Not quite.

In this case, the motel in question does have a no-pets policy.

The family had recently been evicted, possibly because of the snakes (still speculation). They were also not well taken care of, according to the article. So in other words, just some :cens0r: making things yet harder for Canadian hobbyists and really all of us by proxy.

And with the recent snake sensationalism, the media is going to snap up any story having to do with reptiles, because ratings.

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

I say all us snake lovers create out own gigantic island and move there. No more stupid pet laws.

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Let's do it! Let's also boot anyone who gets really annoying and argumentative, but we'll call it "banishing," because it's a cool sounding word.

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Originally Posted by Coleslaw007

Let's do it! Let's also boot anyone who gets really annoying and argumentative, but we'll call it "banishing," because it's a cool sounding word.

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Well mike won't be on the island long then. Lol

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I call BS on the whole story. The version that I read said that they rented the place for 1 night after being evicted or something. They were in tubs so I highly doubt that the care was even close to improper. Supposedly 40 BPs, some being housed together and almost certainly as a very temporary thing (the being housed together part). They could have easily been some new babies prior to first shed being housed together and adults being housed separately from each other which is common practice. Then there was some idiot quoted for saying that they were in obvious distress... I understand that they are illegal there (well, not the why but that it is fact). If this person was just passing through then they should have let them get where they were going instead of abducting their pets and handing them off to people with no idea what they are doing where within a month or so they will truly be in distress and off food likely with stuck sheds and RIs. Is it possible that the snakes were not being cared for properly? Yes. Is it likely that a breeder (as the story suggests) would have malnourished and abused snakes? Not by a long shot.

This kind of story pisses me off because you get 10% of the actual information and 100% of the criticism from idiots who have no idea what they are talking about. Reading the comments on news stories like this disgusts me. People that have no idea what they are talking about get to express their misinformed opinions to the masses with no fact checking. The media as a whole does this on all topics and it's terrible. In any case where reptiles are involved all that it does is to further tarnish the image of the reptile community that so many have painted in their heads.

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Originally Posted by Archimedes

More irresponsible hobbyists putting more nails in the coffin...

CHECK. YOUR. LEGISLATURE.

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No Legislature(or Parliment) here has anything at all to do with these rules. City Hall however does, every single one of them. So if you are moving your collection across the province, you will be breaking the law by stopping in or even driving through many of the towns and cities between you and your destination.

More irresponsible politicians would be more correct.
I live in the province where this occurred and every little hicktown has its own completely nonsensical rules.
Rules that 90% of the time the city clerks don't even know about and therefore, are unable to direct you to the moronic by-laws that you must comply with and if you are lucky start a group and lobby to have changed.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/childrens-a...162446898.html

These jackasses make it seem like the snakes are going to eat the children. While I understand the police have the right to seize the snakes, due to the fact that they are illegal in that city, writing this article is just fear mongering on the part of the writer. The fact that they try to imply that the kids were in danger, by mentioning the two brothers that were killed by the rock python, just made me want to puke.

The way the article is written , is makes it sound like they had 40 snakes in one container. These idiots really should know what they're talking about before they write this stuff. The thing that was worse than the article was the comments from the morons posting the comments below. These dimwits know absolutely nothing about the husbandry of BP's yet they write that the snakes were stressed by being in the tote containers. They are so quick to condemn the people as bad parents just because of the fact that they own harmless snakes.

The more likely scenario is that they guy and his wife were breeders on their way to/from a reptile convention , and had the unfortunate luck to stop for the night at that motel.

Let this be a warning to anyone travelling through Brantford Ont. , DON'T STOP FOR THE NIGHT IF YOU'RE TRANSPORTING BALL PYTHONS!

I just hope these people are able to get their snakes back.

I totally agree. I mean, there are ZERO deaths caused by ball pythons. It just DOESN'T happen! There was NO need to mention that there were even children there! Seriously! I really wish that reporters would actually do some RESEARCH before this stuff goes to press. Sigh. Super frustrating. Then they talked about the animals being in distress. Well, duh! They're TRAVELING. Almost any reptile in that situation would under some sort of stress. Ugh.

This is an awesome time to be a reporter. People are freaked out by the NB incident. It makes for great ratings - that's what matters to them. And the more crap like this gets reported the more likely it will dig up controversy as they try to push new legislation in Ontario. Which in turn leads to more media opportunity. The media isn't stupid. Which in my opinion makes all of this more disgusting.

Have any of you guys read some of those comments posted by 'intelligent' people? I was so tempted to leave my .02 cents about it. But I'm pretty sure I would get destroyed by the ignorance.

Argh you guys are making me not even want to click the article. So depressing.

Any animal ever hates being transported... People fear what they don't understand.

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Oh boy...great..

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/16/world/...ons/index.html

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Originally Posted by pliskin

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/childrens-a...162446898.html

These jackasses make it seem like the snakes are going to eat the children. While I understand the police have the right to seize the snakes, due to the fact that they are illegal in that city, writing this article is just fear mongering on the part of the writer. The fact that they try to imply that the kids were in danger, by mentioning the two brothers that were killed by the rock python, just made me want to puke.

The way the article is written , is makes it sound like they had 40 snakes in one container. These idiots really should know what they're talking about before they write this stuff. The thing that was worse than the article was the comments from the morons posting the comments below. These dimwits know absolutely nothing about the husbandry of BP's yet they write that the snakes were stressed by being in the tote containers. They are so quick to condemn the people as bad parents just because of the fact that they own harmless snakes.

The more likely scenario is that they guy and his wife were breeders on their way to/from a reptile convention , and had the unfortunate luck to stop for the night at that motel.

Let this be a warning to anyone travelling through Brantford Ont. , DON'T STOP FOR THE NIGHT IF YOU'RE TRANSPORTING BALL PYTHONS!

I just hope these people are able to get their snakes back.

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Merged :gj:

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Originally Posted by decensored

There are no federal or provincial laws governing the keeping of exotic pets in Canada. The municipalities are responsible for creating laws and regulations for this kind of thing. It is not illegal in Canada to have Ball Pythons, nor is it illegal in Toronto where I am - However it is illegal to have anything over 10 feet. Seeing that the Ontario government feels the need to review their legislation on this topic, I hope they adopt what Toronto has in place. It will at least save us ball python, and boa keepers. Some cities in Ontario have banned any constrictor over 2 feet in length.. If they decide that's the way to go than a lot of people will have no choice but to euthanize their pets.. It's very unsettled up here right now.

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Toronto's model is not too bad.
Which is surprising given the Toronto track record on banning things totally unrelated to a problem to look effective (David Miller closing the gun ranges because the people shooting competitively must have been responsible for a bunch of poor drug dealers and gangbangers shooting up the streets for example).
I would like to see the availability of exception permits for larger snakes being available with very clear requirements for the keeping of these snakes. Then we could still buy and trade Burm's and Retic's with only the added step of asking to see or be e-mailed a copy of the buyers permit indicating they have been made aware of the requirements of keeping these animals.
From a hobbyist perspective honestly, I'd be more comfortable knowing that anyone getting my animals knew how to properly care for them and, was able to prevent unwanted interactions like a snake eating the neighbours pet because it escaped its' inadequate enclosure yet again.

Courtesy of Boa Constrictor Canada Facebook page, Dave Hodges:

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Here is the person who will be responsible for the decission on reptiles in Ontario please write, call or e-mail letting them know that banning Snakes and reptiles is not some thing that should be done and voice your concerns as people of Ontario
Ministry of Community Safety
and Correctional Services
18th Floor
25 Grosvenor Street
Toronto ON
M7A 1Y6
416 326-5000
Toll free: 1-866-517-0571
MCSCS.Feedback@ontario.ca

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Please write in, think clearly about what you say, remain polite but firm.
Together we can influence these decision to a more reasonable outcome than we can expect if the medias narrative is the only one available.

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

I say all us snake lovers create out own gigantic island and move there. No more stupid pet laws.

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Muahahaha, we shall build it with the corpses of our enemies! Yaaaarhg!

The replies to the article on the website are what really grinds my gears. 99% of them are speaking out of their rear end. If people would educate themselves prior to making an idiot of themselves the world would be such a better place!

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

I say all us snake lovers create out own gigantic island and move there. No more stupid pet laws.

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Can we name it "snaketopia" or "pythonia" ??