Starting in clowns

So I have a couple of ball pythons already, (1.0 killerbee .2 pastel .1 fire .1 lesser) and I have decided I really want to start getting into clowns. My question is what would you recommend I start with? I am leaning towards a package deal with a 1.0 pastel het clown and a .1 clown package deal. But should I start with just het females and pastel het females and get a visual later? I really WANT a clown in my collection, and dont really want to wait another 3 years for the hets to grow and then buy the visual to breed with the hets. What do you think?

I would definitelly go with visual females and got het males or if you can afford visual combo males :D.

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Originally Posted by GPreptiles

I would definitelly go with visual females and got het males or if you can afford visual combo males :D.

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No way. I would go the other way around. Males are cheaper. Get a visual male with a second gene then you can breed more females and get 100% hets (easier and better to sell) and then get a couple larger het females. More genes for your money and breeding faster for less money

if you buy a male clown and breed it to your females. you would have some nice combos with everything being het for clown. plus a visual clown in your collection.

Two ideas pop into my head: Get a male clown now and pair him to the morph females you already have to make your own hets. Buy some morph het females now or at some point to pair to him when they're ready.

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Get a female clown and maybe a female morph het or two, and then get a male clown in a couple years when they're closer to breeding.

Thanks for the replies everyone. Any suggestions or thoughts are appreciated!

i to am going to be getting some clown this is what im doing two het clown females this year and next year i am getting a solid reduced clown male the only reason im not getting a pastel clown male( which i think you should get ) is because i like my line of pastel they have very little browning and hopefully my pastel to fire pairing will give me a female firefly to pair him with

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Originally Posted by jms0620

i to am going to be getting some clown this is what im doing two het clown females this year and next year i am getting a solid reduced clown male the only reason im not getting a pastel clown male( which i think you should get ) is because i like my line of pastel they have very little browning and hopefully my pastel to fire pairing will give me a female firefly to pair him with

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Is it "your" line or did you buy it?

Cause if you bought it technically its not your line. And in that case why dont you just find a nice pastel clown male and save yourself a lot of work.

kind of both i started with a good male and through selective breeding to normals and even real light single gene females keeping only the best of the clutches they got even better i mean im not going to advertise as a new line because they are not they are just selectively bred plus that was the reason for me to do all the work to make a nicer pastel to put into other morphs if i look for a pastel clown male he looks good the parents look good there is still the chance he and his offspring will brown out i dont want to take that chance i want the best in my colection i already have a great pastel group so why wouldnt i use them plus a firefly clown amazing:O

So what do you guys think the fair market value is for male and female clowns respectively? How about pastel het clown females? Thanks for the responses!

2013 babies, not established breeders

Definitely a male clown and breed it to your pastel and fire and lesser females for morph het clown hold backs.

i didnt read all of the post so sorry if this was said but this is wat im doing with my pieds and will do with clowns in a couple of seasons .. im getting het. male n het female and visual male the .. breed the visual male to all my females in my collection so i pull all hets for all my collection .. then all the males from the het female breed to all females and visversa ... only thing is the 1st breeeding to my het female is my het male cause i just want to prove them both out .. even tho the person selling me them said there 100% and i do believe him i just got to make sure for myself .. but after a couple of patient years and some fun breeding seasons i shoud have everything i want

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

i didnt read all of the post so sorry if this was said but this is wat im doing with my pieds and will do with clowns in a couple of seasons .. im getting het. male n het female and visual male the .. breed the visual male to all my females in my collection so i pull all hets for all my collection .. then all the males from the het female breed to all females and visversa ... only thing is the 1st breeeding to my het female is my het male cause i just want to prove them both out .. even tho the person selling me them said there 100% and i do believe him i just got to make sure for myself .. but after a couple of patient years and some fun breeding seasons i shoud have everything i want

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if i'm reading this correctly, why would you buy a het male if you're buying a visual male?

it just came with the package

so ill prove him out and and proably sell him or keep him so my visual dosent have to breed to many females

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Originally Posted by steve_r34

so ill prove him out and and proably sell him or keep him so my visual dosent have to breed to many females

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he's not worth proving out. it's more trouble than what's it's worth.

so dam what to do with him??

I don't know that is a hard position. Sell him on kingsnake as het if you trust the breeder?

What would you guys do if a female clown, female het clown, and pastel male, were all the same price as a super pastel het clown female? Which would you buy?

dam idk .. if u trust the breed id got with the het maybe but if u want to do it all urself and take the time go with the 3 maybe .. idk how old are they? the visual and the het clown

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The visual clown, het clown and super pastel were all hatched from the same clutch. And are still really young babies. The pastel male is a couple weeks older. I'm got the three over the single super pastel..

I just really want a clown! And I'd still have good odds for pastel clown, just not a killer clown right off the bat. I could always look for a pastel het female somewhere else to try for the killer. I dont mind taking the time to raise them. I've got plenty of other breeding projects about to start! But I really love the clowns a lot and can't wait to start making 2-3 gene combos with them!

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

No way. I would go the other way around. Males are cheaper. Get a visual male with a second gene then you can breed more females and get 100% hets (easier and better to sell) and then get a couple larger het females. More genes for your money and breeding faster for less money

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I agree especially since w are dealing with recessive genes