Mystic x Cinnamon Pewter Clutch Results

Well I paired my male Mystic with my female Cinnamon Pewter and had great results. I am confident that I have 2 male Pastel Mystics and 1 male Mystic. I am unsure about the other 3. I have 1 male that is definitely a Cinnamon, but maybe a Cinnamon Mystic and a male and a female that are definitely Pewters, but may be Pewter Mystics. I could use some help figuring these results out. I know that it is highly unlikely for all the babies to get the Mystic gene, but that may just have happened. Also, these pictures were taken with a Cannon Rebel XT using the flash, with a compact fluorescent light in the back ground. I also used the WhiBal card to create a color correction layer in Photoshop.

Male Mystic (uncorrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...mystic_1_1.jpg

Male Mystic (color corrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_1_cc.jpg

Male Pastel Mystic 1 (uncorrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...mystic_1_1.jpg

Male Pastel Mystic 1 (color corrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_1_cc.jpg

Male Pastel Mystic 2 (uncorrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...mystic_2_1.jpg

Male Pastel Mystic 2 (color corrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_2_1_cc.jpg

Male Cinnamon Mystic 1 (uncorrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...mystic_1_1.jpg

Male Cinnamon Mystic 1 (color corrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_1_cc.jpg

Male Cinnamon Mystic 1 (color corrected 2)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_2_cc.jpg

Male Cinnamon Mystic 1 (color corrected 3)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_3_cc.jpg

Male Cinnamon Mystic 1 (color corrected 4)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_4_cc.jpg
Male Pewter Mystic 1 (uncorrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...mystic_1_1.jpg

Male Pewter Mystic 1 (color corrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_1_cc.jpg

Male Pewter Mystic 1 (color corrected 2)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_2_cc.jpg

Female Pewter Mystic 1 (uncorrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...mystic_1_1.jpg

Female Pewter Mystic 1 (color corrected)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_1_cc.jpg

Female Pewter Mystic 1 (color corrected 2)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_2_cc.jpg

Female Pewter Mystic 1 (color corrected 3)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_3_cc.jpg

Female Pewter Mystic 1 (color corrected 4)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tic_1_4_cc.jpg

Thanks for the help.

awesome looking babies, Congrats!!

Awesome man Im really happy with how good they came out.

Nice I'll take the female pewter mystic off your hands shed to ugly to hold back

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Just kidding shed gorgeous

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Very nice! those Pewter Mystics are HOT :gj::gj::gj:

Those are some very nice snakes, good job on the hatching.

Thanks guys for the kind words. I was comparing the results of this clutch to the pictures on Wolrd of Ball Python for both the Cinnamon Mystic and the Mystic Pewter, along with the pictures for the Mojave equivelants, and think that there are some strong similarities, especially the faded backs on the possible Pewter Mystics and the smeared/joined alien heads on the sides of the possible Cinnamon Mystic and the possible Pewter Mystics. I hope that some people with more experience are able to shed some light.

Congrats on the new worms!

ALL IN - on the male pewter mystic. :O They all look great. :)

I see, a mystic, some pastels some cin and some pewters

You need to familiarize yourself with the mystic gene then. The only ones even possibly in question would be the pewters. And even they have a strong mystic look. The other animals no doubt are all mystic.

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I see, a mystic, some pastels some cin and some pewters

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If you look at the Pastel Mystics, you can clearly see the influence of the Mystic gene by looking at the alien heads, many of the alien heads have retained the large single eye typical of the Mystic pattern. With the Cinnamon Mystic, the Mystic gene has both changed the color and joined/smeared many of the alien heads together. The question is whether or not 1 or both of the Pewters are Pewter Mystics. They both have a lot of bushing and some joined/smeared alien heads, but do they have enough to say that the Mystic gene is there? That why I'm hoping some more experienced breeders will comment.

I keep coming back to these. If you look at a lot of the examples online like wobp etc you can see on mystic pewters the pattern definitely stops about half way down the snake and it's just white on the bottom half of the snake. The pictures of the second one its easy to see from the angle the pics of the first one male it tougher to tell from the angle

Those pewter babies are absolutely phenomenal!!!! I can't speak as to what the genetics are but I'd take one in a heartbeat LOL!


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Sobolco & Myself produced the first ever Mystic pewter, I don't see any Mystic Pewters in this clutch... We also produced some wicked cinnamon mystics, Which i may see one but it's iffy

These pictures however are very hard to tell anything by, I would suggest going outside with the hatchlings & snapping some pictures rather then taking them in a dark room

Sobolco is VERY Familiar with the mystic gene & what it does & should look like as he has been working with it for years, and has discussed the mystic gene with the breeder who first produced them.

Looks like you may have one Pastel mystic & a Pastel...

Who knows you could have a different line of Mystic maybe, Could be different factors playing here but those pictures are 100% very hard to tell by

Just putting out my honest opinion here because Chris asked me to help,


Our pewter mystic,

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...rrr/pewter.jpg

Our Cinnamon Mystic,

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...rrr/cinnym.jpg

And A Pastel Mystic,

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...r/IMG_3753.jpg

Pewter Mystic:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps98ac2d1c.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...psee3b0073.jpg

Phantom Mystic:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps47022479.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...psa5c48993.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...pscf518a85.jpg

Pastel Mystic:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ewmeals007.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ewmeals003.jpg

and Mystic:

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ewmeals002.jpg

A few Mystics go out my doors here...

Sobolco and Teri, thank you guys for posting pictures of some amazing animals. As I said in my email to Teri this morning, I think pictures in sunlight or a light box with some 6500 K lightbulbs will really show the animals better. I appreciate you guys taking the time to respond to this thread. It may take me a little while to get some better pictures, my weeks are very busy, so I try to get pictures on the weekends, however we have been having lots of rain and thunderstorms, making it hard to get the pictures, and I'm getting married at the end of August, so there has been lots to do with arrangements for that. I'll try my best to get better pictures just as soon as I can and post them along with what it is that makes me think that I hatched 2 Pastel Mystics and a Cinnamon Mystic. I would not be surprised if the other 2 are only Pewters, but there are some characteristics that makeme wonder if they might be Pewter Mystics and I will do my best to try to capture those characteristics. Thanks again for your comments and pictures.

take your time, get a bunch of meals into them and a couple sheds, they will become very electric if they are Mystics.

then take pictures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats on the great looking babies!

Just an update, the female Pewter possible Mystic has been eating and shed once, I am probably going to wait until she has at least 1 more shed before posting pictures (might post sooner if I get some time). The Cinnamon Mystic and Pastel Mystics have been eating well, but have not shed yet. After they shed I'll get pictures of them and post. The male Pewter possible Mystic is being stubborn and I am having to assist feed him, he's real easy to assist feed fortunately. I'll wait for him to shed twice before posting pictures. Hopefully he will start eating on his own soon.

They are all very nice, but those are some seriously gorgeous triple bangers you've got there!! :D

awesome looking babies! those Mystic Pewters though, they look exactly like regular Pewters to me atleast (I never hatched Mystic Pewters though so I have no experience in this field) .. Mystic Pewter on this link http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/pewter-mystic/ seems completely different to me though, but that's just my opinion

Well, I've been feeding them and they are growing. The female Pewter possible Mystic is gaining yellow, so I think she may just be a Pewter, but the male Pewter possible Mystic still has a clean color to him and a very blushed out back. The 2 male Pastel Mystics are not as blushed as I would have hoped, but the line of Mystic that I am working with is fairly dark. I still think the other male is a Cinnamon Mystic based on color and distorted pattern. I have also included a picture with a female Pewter that the mother of this clutch produced last year. Thanks for looking and your input.

Male Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...c_5_timmed.jpg

Male Pastel Mystic 1
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._1_trimmed.jpg

Male Pastel Mystic 2
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._1_trimmed.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._2_trimmed.jpg

Male Pastel Mystics together
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._3_trimmed.jpg

Male Cinnamon Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._10_timmed.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...13_trimmed.jpg

Female Pewter possible Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._2_trimmed.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...11_trimmed.jpg

Male Pewter possible Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._1_trimmed.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._5_trimmed.jpg

Pewter possible Mystics together
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._5_trimmed.jpg

Pewter possible Mystics with last year's Pewter
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...innamon_pa.jpg

Realized I had a UV filter on when I took the other pictures, so here are a couple of the Mystic Cinnamon and Pastel Mystics (the Pewter possible Pewter Mystics were in shed).

Mystic Cinnamon
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._2_trimmed.jpg

Pastel Mystic 1
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._2_trimmed.jpg

Pastel Mystic 2
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._4_trimmed.jpg

Just wanted to post some updated photographs.

First up is a picture of one of the Pastel Mystic with a Pastel het Hypo het Pied for a comparison
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...het_pied_s.jpg

Next is a picture of the Pastel Mystic and the Mystic Cinnamon
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...cinnamon_2.jpg

Here is the Mystic Cinnamon by himself
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...cinnamon_7.jpg

Here is a shot of the female Pewter (top) and male Mystic Pewter (bottom)
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...c_pewter_5.jpg

Just thought I would post these as they've added weight.

These pictures are wayyy too dark

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I love the pewter mystics. What exactly does the Mystic gene do. Sorry for my noob question but I love the snakes!


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These pictures are wayyy too dark

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These were just some quick pictures with the camera in full automatic mode. I was trying to get some baseline pictures with a new light set up. The next opportunity I get, I'm going to spend some time to pick the right camera settings. Hopefully that will take care of the darkness in these pictures. I may also re-balance the white and black based on the WhiBal card to see what that does.

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I love the pewter mystics. What exactly does the Mystic gene do. Sorry for my noob question but I love the snakes!


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In the Pewter Mystic, the Mystic tends to fade out the dorsal pattern and clean up the silver/gray color. Pastel Cinnamons (AKA Cinnamon Pewters or just Pewters) are known for having a yellow cast to them that turns brown as they mature. The Mystic gene stops this in the Pewter Mystic. I'm not sure how it would affect a Black Pewter (which are made by combining the Pastel gene with the Black Pastel gene), since Black Pewters don't have that yellow cast that turns brown as they mature.

By itself, the Mystic gene looks similar, but less colorful, to the Mojave gene. Both Mystic and Mojave are part of the Blue Eyed Leucistic complex (BEL).

The Mystic line that I'm working with tends to be darker and have fewer blushings to it, which I think helps it combine nicely with the Cinnamon gene (I like the dark, bold look to the Cinnamon Mystic, plus the Mystic gene distorts the alien heads nicely in that combination).

Very cool. I just LOVE the pewter mystics for some reason. Thanks for the info and sharing these snakes :$


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I think you now made pewter mystic my 2nd favorite snake! Unless ofcourse there is a Pewter Mystic Pied :D

Just some updated photographs. I have learned how to use my camera a little better to make these a little brighter. I don't have a picture of the female Pewter because she is deep in shed. I think the blushed out back and the distorted alien heads of the male make him a Pewter Mystic. I plan on breeding him to a Supper Mojave to test that this season.

Pewter Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...se_up_comp.jpg

Pastel Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...se_up_comp.jpg

Mystic Cinnamon
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...se_up_comp.jpg

I put together a collage of a 2012 female Pewter, the 2013 female Pewter, and the 2013 male Pewter Mystic (I tried to get a picture with all 3 in it, but they were to active to do so). The top row has each of those 3 snakes in that order (left to right). The bottom row has those 3 snakes in reversed order (so that all are next to each other for a better comparison). All 3 snakes have the same mother (a Pewter), the 2012 female Pewter was sired by a 2008 Mojave, while the 2013 female Pewter and 2013 male Pewter Mystic were sired by a 2010 Mystic. The 2013 snakes are a little smaller than the 2012, but I am wondering if it is just the natural variation of Pewters that makes the 2012 female Pewter much more brown that the 2013 female Pewter, or if she will become more brown as she ages (the 2013 female Pewter is about 900 grams, while the 2012 female Pewter is about 1,200 grams, and the 2013 male Pewter Mystic is around 700 grams). The 3 pictures were taken with the same camera, under the same lights, so the colors the collage are consistent.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2014-06-28.jpg

From hatching mystic black pastels myself, I can say that your cinnamon mystic is definitely a cinnamon mystic. The dead giveaway is how the white of the belly fades up the sides into the pattern/color. A cinny or black pastel will have some lines/definite break of the side pattern to the belly pattern. Cinny Mystic (or Black Pastel Mystic being the same thing) will have a white belly and fade/blend nicely up into the color and pattern.

Another telltale to me is the amount of window patterning on the cinnamystic (if I can call it that, lol). The lighter color is another giveaway. It's definitely a cinnamon mystic.

As for the pewters, I don't have experience on them. If you look at all the blue eye leucistics crossed with black pastel and cinnamon, they all seem to have a windowing effect on the pattern. Cherry Blossom and Sobolco both posted pics that show their mystic pewters also show some windowing of the pattern. With that said, though, MORPHS CAN BE VARIABLE!!!! Too many times, people expect a morph to have the same looks as what is found on WOBP. For example, look at all the different looks of the Fire gene on WOBP.

Anyway, I would have leaned toward saying only the female is a mystic pewter with the pics at first. However, the more recent pics sure make me wonder if the male is the more likely candidate... Probably something you'll have to prove through breeding. Luckily, you can test the male somewhat soon. Hope this helps.

ClarkT, Thanks for your thoughts. It helps to hear that I labeled the Cinnamon Mystic correctly. I plan on breeding the male Pewter Mystic to a female Super Mojave to test his genetics. I am trying to decide what pairing for the female Pewter. I just had a 7 egg clutch laid from a Mystic to Mystic pairing, so if I get a male Super Mystic, I'll probably hang on to him to test her genetics.

Here are the snakes in individual shots on the black background:

Male Cinnamon Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2014-06-26.jpg

Male Pastel Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2014-06-26.jpg

Female Pewter
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2014-06-28.jpg

Male Pewter Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2014-06-28.jpg

Just thought I would update some pictures.

Here is the Mystic Cinnamon:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_1.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_2.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_3.jpg

Next up is the Pastel Mystic:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_2.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_3.jpg

Now the Pewter Mystic:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_5.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_3.jpg

Here is Pewter. I am not sure about her because she looks a lot less brown than the her half sister as you'll see in the last picture. They have the same Pewter mother, but the 2012 female Pewter was sired by a male Mojave, while the 2013 Pewter was sired by a Mystic.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_4.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_5.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_6.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...14-10-16_1.jpg

Any thoughts on these guys? Especially the 2013 female Pewter?

omg I want the female pewter mystic. she is gorgeous

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omg I want the female pewter mystic. she is gorgeous

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Thanks. The 2013 Pewter Mystic is a male, and I plan on pairing him with a lot of females this season. I am not sure about the 2013 female Pewter. There are times where I think she has more going on that just the Pewter, but when I compare her to her brother, the Pewter Mystic, I then think that she is different enough from him, that I am not sure about what she really is. I am trying to be patient, but really can't wait for her to get to breeding size and age to see if there is more going on or not.

I plan on owning a female pewter or pewter x some day

Still trying to decide if the 2013 female has more than just Pastel and Cinnamon in her. Here is a comparison shot with the 2012 female Pewter (front left), the 2013 male Pewter Mystic (front right), and the 2013 female Pewter Question (top middle).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...2015-01-24.jpg

I am leaning towards her being just a Mystic, but she looks so much cleaner than her half sister, the 2012 female Pewter, that I just keep wondering. What do you guys think? Is she just a Pewter? Or is there more to her?

I am also hoping that these two pairings will prove that my male is a Pewter Mystic

2013 male Pewter Mystic x 2011 female Mystic
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...01-13_comp.jpg

2013 male Pewter Mystic x 2012 female Super Mojave
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...01-06_comp.jpg

Looking forward to the

Wow these snakes are absolutely gorgeous! Love those pairings too, man you've got some great stuff going on :)

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Wow these snakes are absolutely gorgeous! Love those pairings too, man you've got some great stuff going on :)

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Thanks. I am really excited about this season. That 2013 male Pewter Mystic has been locking with 5 ladies, so there could be quite a few cool babies in our future. We also have some other exciting pairings that we will post when the eggs are laid in our other thread (http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-2015-Clutches).

Here is the first clutch sired by the 2013 male Pewter Mystic, the mother is a Pastel Congo. The countdown begins.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._eggs_comp.jpg

The 2013 male Pewter Mystic is indeed a Pewter Mystic! 2015 Clutch 2 has hatched and there is a Mystic Sterling and what is at least a Pastel Mystic in the clutch. It was pretty cool, because while the female Pastel Congo laid 6 eggs after multiple locks with the 2013 male Pewter Mystic, 3 of the eggs died during incubation. One of the remaining eggs had twins in it. we're just posting pictures of the whole clutch and the Mystic Sterling on this thread, but you can find more pictures of 2015 Clutch 2 in this thread http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-2015-Clutches

Here is 2015 Clutch 2
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._first_out.jpg
And here is a close up of the ones still in the eggs.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file..._in_eggs_5.jpg
You can see the Mystic Sterling in the bottom right egg, and the one that is ate least a Pastel Mystic is in the middle egg.

And some shots of the Mystic Sterling, just look at the smeared/connected alien heads!
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1_in_egg_1.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...coming_out.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-20_4.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-20_6.jpg
We're really excited that the 2013 male Pewter Mystic proved his Mystic gene on the first clutch he sired even though we lost half the eggs. Thanks for checking out this thread!

Turned out great

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Here is a picture of the two snakes that got the Mystic gene, what we think is a Mystic Sterling and a Super Pastel Mystic:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...c_sterling.jpg

Here is one of the Super Pastel Mystic by itself. Unfortunately it died last night. It had a large cartilage mass that caused the body cavity to rupture and we did what we could for the little one, however a couple of days later it died.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...tel_mystic.jpg

Thanks for checking out these guys.

Nice! That's unfortunate that you lost the one.

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Here are some post shed pictures of the 2015 Clutch 2 female Mystic Sterling (I think she is a female, but she is so small that I was afraid of hurting her when I popped her, so I am going to let her grow and resex her later).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-30_3.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-30_4.jpg
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-06-30_6.jpg

Thanks for looking!

We paired 2013 Clutch 3 female Pewter Question with our 2012 male Pastel Calico. Some of the babies are obvious, others are not. I think this clutch shows that 2013 female Pewter Question has a Blue Eyed Leucistic gene in her. Since she looks different from 2013 Clutch 3 male Pewter Mystic, I think she has the Mojave gene. Both Justin Kobylka and Josh Jenson have been kind enough to give me input on these clutches and these are what I think they are. This clutch has a lot of questions because many of the genes involved can have quite a varied expression. Here is the whole clutch:
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-07_2.jpg
We don't have an individual picture of the Pastel from this clutch, but we do have individual pictures of the rest of the clutch.

This one is 2015 Clutch 14 male Pastel Calico. It is interesting how different Pastel Calicos can be even with the same Pastel Calico father (the female from 2015 Clutch 1 that we initially thought was a Pastel Mojave Calico, is probably an awesome Pastel Calico, thanks Josh for the help on that one).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_4.jpg

This is one of the questions for us. Initially we thought this might be a Super Pastel Mojave, proving the mother to be a Pewter Mojave, but after exchanging emails with Justin Kobylka (http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/), she may actually be a Super Pastel Calico. I just don't know, I keep going back and forth on her genetics. Time will certainly make this one clear (based on what we saw with our 2014 Clutch 9 female Super Pastel Calico, who started off with similar colors, but turned much more yellow as she aged).
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_7.jpg

Here is one of the other main questions. I initially thought she is a Sterling, but at the September 5th, Atlanta Dixie reptile show, another breeder (who had Sterling Surgars) on his table, thought she was a Sterling Calico. In looking at a lot of pictures of Pewter Mojaves, Pewter Mystics, Pewter Calicos, Sterling Mystics, and Sterling Calicos, along with the same Sugar combinations, I believe she might be a Pewter Calico or a Pewter Mojave Calico (her head just isn't blushed enough for me to think she is a Sterling Calico, and her pattern is to crazy for me to think she is a Pewter Mojave, so I am left with either a Pewter Calico, or a Pewter Mojave Calico, and the way the alien heads on her side are smeared together like her mother, I am wondering if she got the Blue Eyed Leucistic gene that her mother has, which I think is Mojave and not Mystic). I am just not sure what she is exactly, but I'm pretty sure we'll keep her and breed her to figure it out if it doesn't become clear as she ages.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_7.jpg

And the crown jewel of this clutch, which I think is the evidence that the mother is carrying a Blue Eyed Leucistic gene, is what I think is a female Sterling Mojave Calico. Her pattern is just too crazy to be a Sterling Mojave or Sterling Calico (based on looking at the Sterling Calico, Mystic Sterling, and Sterling Sugar), so I think she is the five gene combination.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_2.jpg

Here is a picture of the grey snakes from this clutch and 2015 Clutch 2. The female Mystic Sterling from 2015 Clutch 2 is on the left, the Pewter Calico or Pewter Mojave Calico is in the middle, and the one I think is a Sterling Mojave Calico is on the right.
http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...15-09-19_3.jpg

Thanks for following this thread.