Funky Hatchlings

For some background info on my year so far, my first clutch (lesser x mojave) resulted in 7 out of 8 dead babies. Most had severe deformities. I was so discouraged to lose those BELs, lessers and mojos but very happy that one little mojave is going into its first shed and seems to be doing ok. I thought it was a compatibility issue with the dame and sire until this second clutch came out.

My second clutch (bee x lesser), thank god all 4 are alive and healthy, but have some crazy patterns. I'm wondering if there was a temp spike from a power outage while I was on vacation. What do you think about these guys? I had great odds with 1 lesser spider, 1 queen bee, 1 bumble bee and the funkiest pastel ever lol!
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I have one more clutch of 7 (pastel x bee) in the incubator. Fingers crossed they are all healthy.

Sorry to hear that you lost 7 worms. At least the lil mojo made it thru and you got good odds on the second clutch.

I had to double check the pic thought I seen a Calider. Seems like you may have had a temp spike or drop along the way.

Anyways congrats on a great looking clutch. :gj:

Thanks! Yeah I'm wondering if the funky color patches will shed off eventually or if they'll hold the color.

Paradox? They look really cool, whatever is going on.

Looks like a few paradox animals to me. Congrats!!

Love the clutch!! Congratulations!

Popping by and I'm still learning my morphs, what's a paradox if you don't mind? Thanks!

Yeah I was thinking paradox but the parents of the clutch are a bee and a pastel. Either way they are pretty cool looking :)

Sorry bee and lesser was the pairing

Wow nice looking paradoxes. A paradox is a light or dark patch streak, a patch of normal or other pattern where it should not be. Its a paradox not genetic usually. There are some beautiful examples we have a lesser with a dark streak. Try the pair next year and see if you get more paradoxes breed back see if it also produces paradoxes. Good luck on the rest of your eggs. I would love to see more pictures of paradoxes.

awesome clutch!! be sweet to find out if it was something genetic that was doing it to them, if not still an amazing clutch!! congrats!!

Thanks all! I'll try to get some better pics later. These were just quick camera phone pics.

Wow those are crazy! I'm thinking temps might have caused it. A couple of their faces look slightly off, nothing major, but makes me think bator issues.

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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters

Wow those are crazy! I'm thinking temps might have caused it. A couple of their faces look slightly off, nothing major, but makes me think bator issues.

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What are you seeing if you don't mind sharing? I didnt notice anything besides the crazy patterns. I did notice my little mojave from the bad clutch seems to have under sized eyes. I'm thinking it wouldn't be an issue with a nocturnal animal though. Hoping they all turn into little piggies when I begin feeding :)

Here's some better pics.
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And one of my mojo survivor. I'm going to have to give this one a cool name. He or she is in shed.
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I am very sorry you lost your babies. That is rough. Yes, it appears you have a clutch full of paradoxes. Interesting you think it might be related to incubator issues. I know crazy patterns can happen with incubator issues, as well as deformities. But paradoxes I don't believe I have ever heard of coming from incubator issues. It will be very interesting to see how they grow and mature.

I wish you all the best with them. I am sure you won't have any trouble finding homes for them, if you can bear to part with them that is.

Gale

I see some paradoxes and that little mojo survivor's pattern looks amazing! Glad you got some healthy babies this round.

Gale I'm not sure if ill be able to sell these :). We'll see how the rest of the season goes. If I can afford to keep them I definitely will!

They look awesome, congrats!

Not that one wants to cause clutches to not make it, but what if we could pinpoint a temp. change that would mostly result in paradox patterns?! Sorry you lost most of your other clutch. Very cool paradox babies, though. Congrats on them!
Good luck with your other clutch.

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Not that one wants to cause clutches to not make it, but what if we could pinpoint a temp. change that would mostly result in paradox patterns?! Sorry you lost most of your other clutch. Very cool paradox babies, though. Congrats on them!
Good luck with your other clutch.

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Well if it was a temp spike, it's definitely having very different effects to each clutch. I had 3 total clutches, all laid about a week from each other. My last one is due to hatch next week. Interested to see if I get any paradox babies in that clutch, but maybe if it was a temp spike it would have to happen during the weeks that they develop their pigments?

Either way I don't think I'd ever try that experiment intentionally. I'm already shopping for some kind of backup battery incase I am out of town the next time I have eggs in the bator...

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What are you seeing if you don't mind sharing? I didnt notice anything besides the crazy patterns. I did notice my little mojave from the bad clutch seems to have under sized eyes. I'm thinking it wouldn't be an issue with a nocturnal animal though. Hoping they all turn into little piggies when I begin feeding :)

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The bee's face in particular looks off to me, and maybe the pastel. I could be wrong, but the pictures are hard to tell. The mojave definitely has small eyes/different face probably from incubation issues. If they are bator issues it's not a problem because you don't have to worry about it being passed on through breeding.

The likelihood of having an entire clutch of paradoxes is pretty out there and if you already know you had incubation issues, then that's probably why they look like that. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but I really think it's from bator issues. We would have a lot more paradoxes if you could make them via bator fluctuations. Or maybe it is a mix of paradox animals and incubation issues because I would call the lesserbees paradox. Also, keep in mind temp spikes do different things at different times throughout incubation. I'm just saying, I highly doubt it's genetic, it's more than likely because of incubation fluctuations whether temps or humidity.

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Love the clutch!! Congratulations!

Popping by and I'm still learning my morphs, what's a paradox if you don't mind? Thanks!

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A paradox is an animal that shows both the mutant trait and some normal pattern as well. Something a geneticist would probably call a Chimera or a Mosaic

I believe if it was due to incubation issues, it technically wouldn't be a chimera. Maybe a geneticist can weigh in on this.

Yeah, definitely not something I'd want to attempt intentionally. Looks like you got some interesting results from it, but not worth the risk to actually attempt this type of stuff with temp fluxes.

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The bee's face in particular looks off to me, and maybe the pastel. I could be wrong, but the pictures are hard to tell. The mojave definitely has small eyes/different face probably from incubation issues. If they are bator issues it's not a problem because you don't have to worry about it being passed on through breeding.

The likelihood of having an entire clutch of paradoxes is pretty out there and if you already know you had incubation issues, then that's probably why they look like that. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but I really think it's from bator issues. We would have a lot more paradoxes if you could make them via bator fluctuations. Or maybe it is a mix of paradox animals and incubation issues because I would call the lesserbees paradox. Also, keep in mind temp spikes do different things at different times throughout incubation. I'm just saying, I highly doubt it's genetic, it's more than likely because of incubation fluctuations whether temps or humidity.

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Yes I highly doubt anything going on I'd genetic. I'll be pairing the same male and female next season just to see what happens. The bee and pastel are definitely pretty crazy but the lesser bee has more of a paradox look with dark spots. I don't think paradoxing has been proven to be genetic has it?