Full stripe pinstripes

For the second year in a row our male pinstripe has produced offspring with full stripes. His lemonblast offspring last year all had full stripes and even his normal and pastel offspring had dorsal stripes. This year he sired a clutch with a het pied and all three of the pins have a perfect clear dorsal stripe and a normal has a broken dorsal. What do you guys think?
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...psa75e0186.jpg
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Love the full stripe!

Wow I want one

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Very cool! I picked my guy because of how reduced his pattern was and his color was sunsetty. Now I'm also really digging that full stripe. I think the parts where it's just the dorsal strip and no "drips" of stripes down looks so cool. Congrats on the gorgeous babies!

Holy cow! He's one awesome sire!!! Do you have a pic of him?

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awesome.

I see it as a convincing example of the old equation: "Quality in --> Quality out". Also phrased as "use the very best example of a morph you can find for breeding and you get nice offspring".

that of course only applies if the pinstripe that produced these looks equally nice, you didnt post a picture of it, i would like to see it :)

I've never been a huge fan of pinstripes......HOWEVER, if I were to own one, THAT is what I would want to it look like :D
Wow. Those are beautiful.
And those 'normals' look a little off(in a good way)...

Pinstripe sire
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps380dca96.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...n/SANY0280.jpg

I'm thinking that pinstripe sire would have a home for life if it were mine. Those are some gorgeous babies! I'm betting a fire or yellow belly female crossed with him would also throw some stunning babies.

What do I think? I'll take one of these over every single one of the examples of the morph on WOBP! Hot dang! :O

I love my pin, but I'd trade him for yours in a heartbeat!! The sire looks super cool, almost like he has something else going on with him.

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I'm thinking that pinstripe sire would have a home for life if it were mine. Those are some gorgeous babies! I'm betting a fire or yellow belly female crossed with him would also throw some stunning babies.

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He will always have a tub in our rack, we fell in love with him from day one. I'm thinking that next season he will have his own set of girls to breed.

Wuh???? :O
Awesome!!!!!!!! :):)

Yea those are nice. That sire is a boss. I can't afford another snake but I'd take a hit for one of those pins


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wow nice looking Pin. I would love a pin like that in my collection.

New subtle gene at play, by chance?

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

New subtle gene at play, by chance?

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Wouldn't that be cool

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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion

Wouldn't that be cool

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Look for a vanilla dream or scream girl. I doubt the clutch will disappoint. Just saying. :cool:

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Originally Posted by pythonminion

New subtle gene at play, by chance?

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Or perhaps a nice line of pins. OP, have you contacted his breeder to see if any of his siblings throw similar babies?

do you by any chance apart from the pinstripe work with a lot of genes from the BEL complex?

i mean, there is some strong synergy between pinstripe and genes from the BEL gene complex.

Anyway, if its genetic, it could still be quite complicated.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

Or perhaps a nice line of pins. OP, have you contacted his breeder to see if any of his siblings throw similar babies?

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Don't know where he came from. He was someones pet and when they didn't want him anymore they gave him to a pet store and that's where we found him.

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

do you by any chance apart from the pinstripe work with a lot of genes from the BEL complex?

i mean, there is some strong synergy between pinstripe and genes from the BEL gene complex.

Anyway, if its genetic, it could still be quite complicated.

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I have a pastel lesser male and a lesser female. The pin was used to breed a pastel this year and as a back up this year but did not bred the lesser female.

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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion

Pinstripe sire
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps380dca96.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...n/SANY0280.jpg

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Wow you wouldn't look at him and think he would through striped babies! He's awesome!

Is it me, or does the sire look a little lemonblast-y?

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

do you by any chance apart from the pinstripe work with a lot of genes from the BEL complex?

i mean, there is some strong synergy between pinstripe and genes from the BEL gene complex.

Anyway, if its genetic, it could still be quite complicated.

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What gene in the BEL complex looks like pinstripe...?

Sire is definitely not a lemonblast.

There have been times before when a full stripe pin throws similar looking babies. It's not an extra gene or anything. Its not a fluke. Pin is one of the most common morphs out there so of course there are gunna be plenty without full stripes. I'm not trying to be a party pooper but you guys are making mountains out of molehills here lol.

OP- nice pins, congrats!

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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion

Pinstripe sire
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...n/SANY0280.jpg

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Hey, I didn't say he was a lemonblast, just lemonblast-y lol. Especially with this pic, although I know it's due to the flash :/ Either way, he's a nice lil pin.

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Hey, I didn't say he was a lemonblast, just lemonblast-y lol. Especially with this pic, although I know it's due to the flash :/ Either way, he's a nice lil pin.

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The colors in that pics are way off because of the lighting and flash or something. Compared to the outdoor pic he looks way lighter

I agree tho, hes a nice pin. I really like how the neck pattern goes right up onto his head

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

What gene in the BEL complex looks like pinstripe...?

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Thats not what i wanted to imply, i just asked because BEL genes, in combination with pinstripe, increase the color contrast between the dorsal stripe and the sides. like in jigsaws.

and these babies not only have that nice complete stripe, but also the color contrast between the dorsal and the sides is really strong. So i just asked to make sure, the color contrast can be archieved by adding a BEL gene to pinstripe and i wanted to know that this isnt the case here.

@OP:
Anyway, these hatchlings are nice and worth a lot more than an average single-gene pinstripe, because this is exactly what people are looking for when they want the very best example of the morph.

also i would seriously consider making nice group pictures of these hatchlings after 1st shed and contributing the pictures to WOBP, with a watermark leading to your website. When i look at the pictures of single-gene pinstripes they have right now, its clear that these would be the most beautiful examples of the morph on the website by a large margin. So, more customers for you, and nice new pics for WOBP of some pinstripes that REALLY deserve to be featured there. Looks like a clear win-win.

That contrast is bc they haven't shed yet. Look at dad, he doesn't have the contrast.

They're nice pins but they aren't worth "way more than the average pin". I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they'd be worth way more :confused:

i got that idea from the fact that many people here say when they go shopping they look for the VERY BEST example of the morph and price comes second.

Based on that, i think that when YOU are the one that has the VERY BEST example of the morph available, you have chances of attracting these customers for which searching and finding the very best example comes first, and can make a price according to the realization that for these, price has lower priority.

People post pictures of snakes all the time, but that you get responses of people clearly stating that they want one, not from anywhere but that they want to buy it from you specifically, from your line, is quite rare.

But you really got me curious when it comes to contrst going down after 1st shed :) Now i really want to see pictures of these after 1st shed :D (i think even if contrast goes down after 1st shed, they will still be amazing compared to the pinstripes you usually see).

Those are pretty sweet. I agree with Mike they are probably just good examples of the morphs but who knows there could be another gene at play. Get with Brant at Major League Reptiles he has a really good eye for the subtle stuff. Maybe you have some Harlequin stuff mixed into those genes or even something new, who knows :confuzd: Holding some of them females back and breeding back to dad is the only true way to find out.

Congrats.

Lets give it a few sheds and see how the babies look lmao.......

i just have to throw it in.....

Do super pinstripes exist?

As far as i know, some say yes some say no.

Brian from BHB "claims" to have one, or someone said he did. No truth to back it up though so i'd say no.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Brian from BHB "claims" to have one, or someone said he did. No truth to back it up though so i'd say no.

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i got tired of hearing those rumors so i shot brian a message on facebook asking him about this.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/04/ugerereq.jpg

Out of curiosity, OP do you have any currant pictures of last years offspring? Would be kind of neat to see how the stripe is holding out after a full year of growing and shedding.

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Originally Posted by Erndogg

Out of curiosity, OP do you have any currant pictures of last years offspring? Would be kind of neat to see how the stripe is holding out after a full year of growing and shedding.

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Yes I do, her stripe looks almost the same as it did when she was born, her stripe isn't a pronounced as these pins. But I will post a couple of her then go take one in real time.

Fresh out of the egg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2754.jpg

Mine is on the left
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...pse621c865.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...n/SANY0263.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...SANY0266-1.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps902cf0ba.jpg

These pics where taken outside this morning and it was over cast with no flash.
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The lemonblast is going into shed

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i got tired of hearing those rumors so i shot brian a message on facebook asking him about this.
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:gj: :gj: :gj:

so i'm trading rooms with my roommate because i need his bigger bedroom for all my critters.. his room was so nasty the girlfriend and i decided to go rent a rug doctor today and clean the carpets. im a dude, and by far not the cleanest person, but how do you let your room get this nasty? ewwww
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so i'm trading rooms with my roommate because i need his bigger bedroom for all my critters.. his room was so nasty the girlfriend and i decided to go rent a rug doctor today and clean the carpets. im a dude, and by far not the cleanest person, but how do you let your room get this nasty? ewwww
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I think this one is in the wrong place

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Originally Posted by angeluscorpion

I think this one is in the wrong place

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lol meant for random chat. couple brews in and tapatalk gets confusing. mods feel free to relocate that post.

Here is the lemon blast after a fresh shed
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9519fbd6.jpg

Here is her pastel brother
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps22e8bb87.jpg

I just hatched out a clutch from my pinstripe female to my super lesser male and all the kingpins have full stripes like your pinstripes. My pinstripe female doesn't have anything close to a full stripe. Lol Good looking pins tho[URL=http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/kai414/media/Snapbucket/F644D352-orig.jpg.html]http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...4D352-orig.jpg[/URLhttp://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...C3E47-orig.jpg

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

i got that idea from the fact that many people here say when they go shopping they look for the VERY BEST example of the morph and price comes second.

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99.5% of the people saying that are full of crap. They'll be the first ones to lowball you or ask about a 10 year payment plan on a 200 dollar snake.

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Based on that, i think that when YOU are the one that has the VERY BEST example of the morph available, you have chances of attracting these customers for which searching and finding the very best example comes first, and can make a price according to the realization that for these, price has lower priority.

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Full stripe Pins are not as rare as this thread would lead you to believe...

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

People post pictures of snakes all the time, but that you get responses of people clearly stating that they want one, not from anywhere but that they want to buy it from you specifically, from your line, is quite rare.

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Those are just people trying to be nice. I guarantee 99% of the people saying "I want one!!!!" would immediately start producing excuses about why they can't buy another snake right now...

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Originally Posted by Pythonfriend

But you really got me curious when it comes to contrst going down after 1st shed :) Now i really want to see pictures of these after 1st shed :D (i think even if contrast goes down after 1st shed, they will still be amazing compared to the pinstripes you usually see).

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Hopefully the OP will update with some pics down the road so we can see if they hold their color...I'm thinking they'll turn out like most full stripe Pins...

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Originally Posted by kai414

I just hatched out a clutch from my pinstripe female to my super lesser male and all the kingpins have full stripes like your pinstripes. My pinstripe female doesn't have anything close to a full stripe. Lol Good looking pins tho[URL=http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/kai414/media/Snapbucket/F644D352-orig.jpg.html]http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...4D352-orig.jpg[/URLhttp://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/...C3E47-orig.jpg

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BEL complex mixed into pins usually throws a full stripe. But those are some very nice looking kingpins.

Here are some post shed pics of the babies. All of the pics were taken in a photo tent with no flash.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...psa1f4f2c9.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0b703fa4.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6c577f03.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0ef94724.jpg

Lemon blast half sister from last year:
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6f01599d.jpg
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...pseca9885b.jpg

Look like pins to me... ;)

Nice ones, none the less. :gj:

Here is the sire, pic taken the same way as above.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/...psb480363d.jpg