First clutch is hatching!

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I took some pics last night to post today asking if I should cut given the amount the eggs were collapsed. I read some threads about the eggs drying up and needing a bit of saline and thought I might be in that situation. I woke up this morning at day 59 and saw a little head poking out!

Pairing was Bumble Bee x Ghost
There was 1 head out at 9am which was this normal and when I just got home there were 3 total that are open. The first baby looks like a normal het ghost - it went back in its egg - the second is a bumble bee, and the third has a slit but I didn't want to go in and mess around quite yet because they seem to be doing fine without me fussing.

I know you all came for the pics. There will be many more coming but I want to leave them alone in peace and quiet for now. Here is your terrible, awful quality teaser; check in later for updates with many more pics:

What they looked like last night when I started to be worried:
http://imageshack.us/a/img196/3084/km29.jpg

What I saw this morning:
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/153/68ts.jpg

I will be pipping the other couple of eggs if they aren't out in a few hours. Check back for the end results!

I have had snakes pip 3 days after their siblings. You've waited this long, let them all pip on their own.

Congrats on the clutch. Keep us updated!

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Originally Posted by Rickys_Reptiles

I have had snakes pip 3 days after their siblings. You've waited this long, let them all pip on their own.

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B-b-but... it's Christmas Eve! I want my oompa loompas NOW!

I am on the fence, but I do generally speak against cutting. We'll see if I can control myself when I go up later and open the box. If I do cut them, it's going to be a VERY small cut.

Aww yay!!! Congrats!

Congrats on the clutch!

If you waited 59 days to not cut...what's a few more? You'll be glad you waited when you see a box full of little heads!

I'm glad I waited. I did help open up the hole for the little bumble bee this morning because I noticed him doing what looked like trying to get out last night, but he didnt fit through the hole me made. When he tried to go back into the egg, his fat head didn't fit through the hole that he made either. I carefully widened it about a half an inch so he can be in or out of the egg by choice now. I woke up this morning and discovered that BOTH of the eggs I saw pip that I thought were normals were actually pastels and they came out! Also, a 4th worm cut himself a little vent and looking inside at the head pattern, it is pretty clearly a spider.

Count: 4 open, 2 pastels out, 1 bee in, 1 spider in. I am giving the remaining 2 eggs until tomorrow night to pip (3 days behind the first pip) before giving them a small hole to see what's up.

The bee before I helped open his hole a little bit:
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/6942/rzqg.jpg

Everyone this morning... egg 4 is where the spider is sitting with his nose next to that vent:
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/5/fh75.jpg

There will be many more pics here and on my Facebook page linked in my signature as they come out.

HUGE thanks to all of the pros and amateurs here who have weighed in with their expertise and experiences (both good and bad) to help me gain the knowledge needed for this. WOOOOOOO :snake::rage::taz::banana::rolleye2::taz::banana::rage::snake: :8:

Egg 4 spider looks like he's going to come out tonight. Egg 5 is ANOTHER PASTEL. Egg 6 is taking its sweet time. It's probably an embarassed normal...

3 pastel, 1 bee, 1 spider

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Egg 4 spider looks like he's going to come out tonight. Egg 5 is ANOTHER PASTEL. Egg 6 is taking its sweet time. It's probably an embarassed normal...

3 pastel, 1 bee, 1 spider

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Poor guy's not even born yet and he's got a complex! (watch him be a normal MALE)

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Poor guy's not even born yet and he's got a complex! (watch him be a normal MALE)

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He popped out this morning... ANOTHER spider! He was probably int he egg spinning his head looking for the roof.

First clutch = no normals (although even normals would be het hypo)

Many pics to come as the last few exit the egg and they shed out.

Congrats! Not bad odds!

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/5103/l6k4.jpg

#6 was still in his egg
http://imageshack.us/a/img560/1857/0ldg.jpg

SPAGHETTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII (All 6 out and healthy)
http://imageshack.us/a/img580/7988/ni63.jpg

What a gorgeous clutch, I really love the bee. Congratulations :D

Congrats with the beautiful babies !

Your babies look great, congrats

Gorgeous babies :D

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Originally Posted by MrLang

He popped out this morning... ANOTHER spider! He was probably int he egg spinning his head looking for the roof.

First clutch = no normals (although even normals would be het hypo)

Many pics to come as the last few exit the egg and they shed out.

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nice odds! Congrats!

Nice! Congrats. :)

I thought I was terrible at popping because I thought this whole clutch female. I took them up to a big breeder in NH this past weekend and it turns out I didn't do too bad... the clutch came out 1.5 and no normals!!

.2 pastel het hypo
.2 spider het hypo
.1 bumble bee het hypo
1. pastel het hypo


Everyone took rat crawlers on the first feeding attempt and they all ate a second meal no problems as well!

PICS SOON

10 days counts as soon, right?

When I brought these up to get sexed from the breeder I bought my bee from, he pointed out to me that his granites are all mixed in and that my male bee is a bumble bee granite. When I got him I had a thread on here asking if people thought there was more to him because he has a very funky pattern with spots all the way down his sides and flecking that is 'independent' of anything that would be called browning out and a clear belly. Sure enough, he has the spot behind his head and he passed the trait down to the babies. 2 of the pastels and the bee all have clear bellies, faded heads, spots behind the head, and granite flecking on the pastels and the spotty pattern on the bee. The third pastel has a spot behind the head and a clear belly but I don't see much flecking. She does have a funky pattern though.

They're all going into shed here - I will update once they are all shed.

I believe this .1 bee is granite:
http://imageshack.us/a/img9/4228/t833.jpg

This .1 pastel is going into shed and has the spot and clear belly but not the 'micro' flecking, only larger flecks:
http://imageshack.us/a/img443/1152/gmjb.jpg

.1 pastel definitely a granite but not highlighted in this picture and going into shed.
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/6471/79w6.jpg

1. pastel definitely a granite
http://imageshack.us/a/img850/7732/uqle.jpg

.1 spider
http://imageshack.us/a/img819/1491/t4yg.jpg

.1 spider
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/2857/a8dd.jpg

Nice babies and fantastic gender results.

How can you tell that they have granite? Is it because they look darker? I'm just curious. :). Beautiful clutch! Love the spiders


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They're all aging well! like a fiinnneee wine

That first spider is a beautiful example of the morph! Wonderfully clean lines!!

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How can you tell that they have granite? Is it because they look darker? I'm just curious. :). Beautiful clutch! Love the spiders

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Ok, there is not a huge amount of info on Granite so this is what I have so far from here and other sites:

Some granite is co-dom, some is dom, I think there is even recessive, and there is plenty that is not genetic at all.

Granite is identified by the black flecking along the sides. It also affects the pattern in funky ways when it is introduced into combos. This is why a lot of Kevin McCurley's nicest snakes have Granite - very subtle gene that funkifies the pattern, busies it up, and adds that extra flecking either in multi-scale spots, single scale spots, or partial scale spots of jet black.

Granite is identified as genetic with a few markers - The flecking, clear bellies with somewhat checkered edging (belly looks like a questionable yellow belly), 'neck break' which is basically a smudge or a spot right behind the head, more faded head, and of course heritability. The male I had has been ID'd as a granite and the traits have been passed to the babies in the first generation.



So I know a few of these have granite because:
A- A reputable breeder whose shop is a few miles from NERD, used to work at NERD, etc. told me they were and that my male that I bought from him was. All of his stock originated at NERD and he mixed in his granites without specifically identifying them as. Some people don't recognize it as its own gene, some ignore it, sometimes it isn't genetic, etc. Kevin IDs it as a gene very regularly in his combos, so he does believe there is a meaninful influence from it and it IS heritable.

B- They inherited the above markers in the first generation. If you look at a pile of pastels, they won't have these black flecks along the sides the way a few of these do. The picture of the male is where you can zoom in and see them well. The other has them but the picture doesn't highlight the areas where they are most noticeable and prevalent.

I'll snap some pics of the bellies and the heads tonight if I remember.

Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, I just cobbled together what info I could find from a number of sites.