The weird possible YB clutch?? Expert help appreciated

I'm going to start from the beginning.

In December/ January we paired a normal x bumble bee. In April we hatched out 2 bumble bees 2 pastels and 2 normal from that clutch.
Both of those bumble bees came out looking real nice but they have both browned out very quickly. One was sold but this is the one I have left,
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/qyzanete.jpg

During this time we also had eggs in the incubator from a different normal x bumble bee clutch (Clutch #2). These hatched in May and they came out WAY brighter and with a weird flaming pattern just like a YB. And when I saw the last bee come out I just knew it might have a 3rd gene.


This is the first bumble bee from Clutch #1 compared to clutch #2. Member only a month age difference. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/vezy2u3e.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/u6esy2yr.jpg

And this is what we believe to be our Bumble Belly from clutch #2
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/ure8yser.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/e2ymuzu5.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/abe2e6er.jpg

This is his sister which we believe is a Pastel YB
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/8e7yteja.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/yde3a3eg.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/7a9u5ygu.jpg

This is just a regular pastel from clutch #2 next to the poss Pastel YBhttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/u7ajedy8.jpg

Clutch #1 Group shot (missing the sold bumble bee)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/7ady6e8e.jpg
Clutch #2 Group shot
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/muze2yhu.jpg

The mom from clutch 1 http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/eja4ahe8.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/7ebytahy.jpg

The possible YB mom from clutch 2. We are going to try and prove her out next year.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/jage5y9e.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/a3e9aqug.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/u6eruha3.jpg

And of course the father to all those Bumble Bees 👏
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/a6y9y8um.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/rujy5yga.jpg

Last but not
least, just thought id show the male YB she will be paired with next year.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/udyrahev.jpg

Any opinions on the YB gene would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking!

OH AND the bumble bee fathered his last clutch for the season, which is in the incubator now. 7 good eggs from a bright normal (compared to all my other normal girls) . Here she is
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/qa9yzu8e.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/y7amyhes.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/09/u5yrybam.jpg

Nice, good luck proving her!

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Originally Posted by Annarose15

Nice, good luck proving her!

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Thank you. It's going to be a longgg year ha.

I'm on the fence, not sure I see yb in the mom but she might be a really low quality yb ...
How about some better pictures of the pos yb mom in brighter light?

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I'm on the fence, not sure I see yb in the mom but she might be a really low quality yb ...
How about some better pictures of the pos yb mom in brighter light?

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Will do. She is quite the feisty one. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/10/ravanypu.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/10/jyvu4eru.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/10/atyra7yv.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/10/2eqabyva.jpg p

Not really seeing a YB in the mom. The bee is definitely much brighter, but I think its just a variation. We have some really bright bees that hatched a few weeks ago. And in my experience, pastel YBs are usually a lot brighter. I could easily be wrong, just my opinion. I do think it is worth trying to prove out though. Good luck!

I had a pastel yellowbelly that looked a lot like that, except she was an adult, and a bit browned out, but yours had a lot of orange so will likely do the same. I have no idea what she looked like when she was a baby, so I cannot compare that way.

I don't think it's a YB. I think you got something else on your hands :gj:. Looks very cool! I love what it did to that bee! Most people aren't a fan of dots, and I'm typically one of 'em, but that dotted bee is SMOKIN. IMO, I'd rather see zero dots or a good consistent amount of dots :gj:.

Mike, Those are some smoking bees :bow::bow::bow:
I really don't see YB in her either but the bell shot makes me wonder:confusd::confusd:

Is that your first clutch off of her??

I have seen bees like that but I don't remember what they were or where I saw them :mad:

I don't see YB either.

Congrats on the clutch and healthy babies! :D

I'm no yellowbelly expert but something sure brightened up those babies. Very nice bees.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

I don't think it's a YB. I think you got something else on your hands :gj:. Looks very cool! I love what it did to that bee! Most people aren't a fan of dots, and I'm typically one of 'em, but that dotted bee is SMOKIN. IMO, I'd rather see zero dots or a good consistent amount of dots :gj:.

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Thank you! I'm interested in what it can do. Guess we will find out next year! I agree about the dots!

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Mike, Those are some smoking bees :bow::bow::bow:
I really don't see YB in her either but the bell shot makes me wonder:confusd::confusd:

Is that your first clutch off of her??

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Thanks Pit appreciate it ! It's Mark :P ha but yeah it is my first clutch from her.

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Originally Posted by elbee

I'm no yellowbelly expert but something sure brightened up those babies. Very nice bees.

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Thanks! I guess I'm hoping its something new now ha. I was excited at the thought of YB but now :D!

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Originally Posted by Mrl249

Thanks Pit appreciate it ! It's Mark :P ha but yeah it is my first clutch from her.

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I don't know why I had you in my phone as Mike LoL.
Sorry but its fixed now. I saw them on the CL ad too.
Might hold a male back and breed to mom?

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I don't know why I had you in my phone as Mike LoL.
Sorry but its fixed now. I saw them on the CL ad too.
Might hold a male back and breed to mom?

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probably breed mom to a YB. Yes we Are Holding back the poss bumble belly male and this girl http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/11/7ateje4y.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/11/8y7evumy.jpg

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I don't know why I had you in my phone as Mike LoL.
Sorry but its fixed now. I saw them on the CL ad too.
Might hold a male back and breed to mom?

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Think we might actually breed him to the momma

i also thing you got something else ... not YB even not a poor example. Good luck and dinkkkkkk!!!

Very nice animals especially the Bee in question, now about Mom I don't see YB at all doesn't mean you don't have something else.

good luck with them.

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Originally Posted by darkranger69

i also thing you got something else ... not YB even not a poor example. Good luck and dinkkkkkk!!!

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Hopefully we do! I guess we will see next year. Ill keep this thread updated through the year.

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Originally Posted by Emilio

Very nice animals especially the Bee in question, now about Mom I don't see YB at all doesn't mean you don't have something else.

good luck with them.

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Thanks!

Here's a better pic of the little guy http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/13/4yny3ypa.jpg

Hello again everyone, this is the last clutch for our male bumble bee. Not as good of odds as the first 2 clutches, but still happy to see some healthy babies.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/09/ujygudyz.jpg
Only one normal male, the rest of them are females. 👍
Very excited for next year

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Originally Posted by Mrl249

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/11/8y7evumy.jpg

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Dayum...:O

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Originally Posted by sho220

Dayum...:O

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Thanks :)! I agree this girl is a looker

The mom doesn't look anything at all like my YB.
But, it does look like there could be an additional gene at play in those clutches.

Have you considered any of the "cleaner" genes, specifically any recessive cleaners? Or very subtle genes that are known to clean and brighten other gene expressions?

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Originally Posted by Raven01

The mom doesn't look anything at all like my YB.
But, it does look like there could be an additional gene at play in those clutches.

Have you considered any of the "cleaner" genes, specifically any recessive cleaners? Or very subtle genes that are known to clean and brighten other gene expressions?

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Not sure what I could be though even if It was just an enhancer.

Thought I would do an update on these 2, getting big nearing 4-450 grams! :) http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/18/e9u5ugeq.jpg

Very cool!
I tend to lean towards thinking it's in the dad. It definitely looks like there's a 3rd gene.
I'd breed the dad to a YB.