Small potatoes?

How is a user to feel when a issue they bring to a mod is refereed to as small potatoes? Important, I think not.

No matter how small you think a issue is as a mod I think it should be respected and given consideration. The user obliviously thought it was worth something, so should you.

I was told a similar thing once and it really annoyed me. It made me think the mods do not have the back bone to correct a users mistake or their own and that the entire points system is useless. I felt completely blown off.

I do agree that in the big picture anything on this forum is small scale. But within this forum even the smallest issue should be handled with care when brought to a mod, not shrugged off. The mods job is to only deal with this forum not comparing it to what issues may await us in our life off line.

After all in the big picture this whole forum is small potatoes.


I think the mods do a great job with most things but these small issues and how they are handled I believe could use some work.

I'm not going to comment my feelings until I get responses from the PM's i've sent. From my POV, i was within the rules, and i'm still getting an infraction. Doesn't make any sense to me. I'm going to refrain from posting anything positive or negative until i get an explanation.

What was the issue?


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The thread is in the QT room, it was locked but you can still read it.

When you are given a negative rep point or infraction and try to protest it with the mods only to get the response that it doesn't really matter.

I just don't feel the mods are giving the user the respect they deserve when they go through the process to contest something.

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I just don't feel the mods are giving the user the respect they deserve when they go through the process to contest something.

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Because you are giving mods the respect they deserve by stirring up the pot with this thread? :confusd:

It's easy when someone gets an infraction they can appeal it if they believe it is not deserved, and some people do a, then there are the others the ones that instead of using proper channels will try to stir the pot and make it a mod vs us the member type thread (not the first time it happens)

The bottom line mods are here to enforce rules however it's not always black or white there are a lot of grey areas and the staff (who volunteer their free time monitoring this site) is always trying their best to be fair to anyone, of course you can disagree and keep stirring the pot but I am not sure how this is gonna benefit anyone when the subject was already closed.

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And also this is not the place to discuss neg rep point there is a thread for that.

I did go through the channels when I needed to and got shrugged off. I also thought about sending these thoughts in a PM but felt they would again be shrugged off so I took it public.

Mike also has gone through that process and it was referred to "small potatoes" so far. I understand he has more emails out to the mods and I hope his concerns are given the proper care they should and that they are not again shrugged off. I don't care if the infractions are not overturned, I just want the user to be treated fairly and be given a actual reason if it is not. Something more than this issue is to small to be worried about.

I also knew about that thread. This post was more about the mods attitude toward the users not so much about the rep system.

I'm not trying to stir the pot. I'm trying to get a new attitude for users issues.

KMG isn't stirring the pot, its an honest inquiry. The subject isn't closed until i get an explanation, which i'm still waiting for.

No one's disrespecting or bashing the mods here, your post seems awfully defensive. I hope thats not how everyone else is reading this thread too.

mhmm..

I'll give you a similar response that I see on this site when others bring issues up that they feel are important.

"If you don't like it, then just leave".

Yeah, feels good doesn't it.

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mhmm..

I'll give you a similar response that I see on this site when others bring issues up that they feel are important.

"If you don't like it, then just leave".

Yeah, feels good doesn't it.

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I wouldn't leave over this issue. Its not THAT big of a deal. It IS big enough of a deal to annoy me because i feel like i'm being treated unfairly though. That's all.

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I wouldn't leave over this issue. Its not THAT big of a deal. It IS big enough of a deal to annoy me because i feel like i'm being treated unfairly though. That's all.

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Then keep it to PMs. You think you are being treated unfairly, I think you are getting what you deserve.




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Because you are giving mods the respect they deserve by stirring up the pot with this thread? :confusd:

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Because you guys shouldn't be subject to scrutiny or ever question right? How were you being disrespected in that post exactly?

They were making a valid point.

And Mike, I'm completely baffled by that infraction. It's honestly the stupidest thing I think I've seen on here. There are TONS of posts on here where people make jokes about less than legal or less than morally correct things. It happens all the time, and if it's clearly a joke (As this was) and not personal to anyone posting than I don't get why everyone else doesn't get infractions for it.

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Dear Members,

It seems that maybe some people have forgotten what the Quarantine Room was designed for. (This is also for new people that come who ask to be let in without really knowing what it is.)

Some have expressed concern that an unpleasant thread in the QR is "ruining BP.net", however, the QR was placed here for all of those unpleasant threads that we don't want cluttering up the public spaces. For the people who wish to have the freedom to express themselves in such topics, it is there. For those who don't wish to see them, the QR can be turned off.


The locking of threads in the QR would be an extremely rare event...simply because doing so would rather defeat its whole purpose.

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Yeah, the rules still apply but the QR wasn't made for the pleasant thread.

But above all I really don't get why Mike is getting singled for this. I can go back in just the last month and find loads of worse posts that weren't even in QT.

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Then keep it to PMs. You think you are being treated unfairly, I think you are getting what you deserve.




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Why can't he say something about it? It's not like it's the first time the mods or admins have threatened or enacted infractions under sketchy circumstances, why should he need to keep it private?

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Then keep it to PMs. You think you are being treated unfairly, I think you are getting what you deserve.




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Whoaaaa what did i do to piss you off?! I was within the rules, how's that "getting what i deserve"?
I AM keeping it to PM's, i'm just waiting on a response. I haven't bashed anyone or shared all of my feelings on the situation yet. I didn't even make this post lol.

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Why can't he say something about it? It's not like it's the first time the mods or admins have threatened or enacted infractions under sketchy circumstances, why should he need to keep it private?

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The initial thread is already public. It is not the forum members decision. It is the mods/admins decision.

I just don't think a PERSONAL matter like this needs to be brought to the attention of the entire forum.

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Whoaaaa what did i do to piss you off?! I was within the rules, how's that "getting what i deserve"?
I AM keeping it to PM's, i'm just waiting on a response. I haven't bashed anyone or shared all of my feelings on the situation yet. I didn't even make this post lol.

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What did you do? Let me count the ways..

You operate barely within the rules. If it was my decision (which it isn't) you would get infracted (or at least warnings) for much more than you actually do.

You are the one who responded to this thread.

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I wouldn't leave over this issue. Its not THAT big of a deal. It IS big enough of a deal to annoy me because i feel like i'm being treated unfairly though. That's all.

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Must be a big deal since here we are again.

If you felt like you were treated unfairly YOU could have appealed your infraction to one of the admins, instead YOU blew it out of proportion making a public scene which did not help the matter.

Now more of the same here still stuck on the same "not such a big deal issue" because you did not get the answer YOU wanted in a timely fashion manner ( mind you that some people do not seat around all day and can only address issues at the end of their work day)

So now, do you feel that if it had been addressed the proper way to start with we would not even be here?

Do you think this specific thread obviously started on your behalf (wonder why YOU did not start it :rolleyes:) is gonna go anywhere?

No judy already told me shes at work. I'm not bashing the mods for that either. I'm just saying that i'm waiting lol

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mhmm..

I'll give you a similar response that I see on this site when others bring issues up that they feel are important.

"If you don't like it, then just leave".

Yeah, feels good doesn't it.

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Right back at you.

Lucky for us you run nothing. If I have something I feel is important I will always open my mouth. I'm no sheep.

By the way barely within the rules still is within the rules.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

The initial thread is already public. It is not the forum members decision. It is the mods/admins decision.

I just don't think a PERSONAL matter like this needs to be brought to the attention of the entire forum.

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This thread was about the overall argument not that certain thread.

I already said why I didn't send it in a PM. This should be and deserves to be public.

I'm not trying to attack or offend the mods. I just think things could and would be better if they were handled in a better way.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

What did you do? Let me count the ways..

You operate barely within the rules. If it was my decision (which it isn't) you would get infracted (or at least warnings) for much more than you actually do.

You are the one who responded to this thread.

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Barely Within the rules is still within the rules...

Yea i responded, not really regarding anything pertaining to me specifically.

Idk you disliked me so much. I have nothing against you... :confused:

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Must be a big deal since here we are again.

If you felt like you were treated unfairly YOU could have appealed your infraction to one of the admins, instead YOU blew it out of proportion making a public scene which did not help the matter.

Now more of the same here still stuck on the same "not such a big deal issue" because you did not get the answer YOU wanted in a timely fashion manner ( mind you that some people do not seat around all day and can only address issues at the end of their work day)

So now, do you feel that if it had been addressed the proper way to start with we would not even be here?

Do you think this specific thread obviously started on your behalf (wonder why YOU did not start it :rolleyes:) is gonna go anywhere?

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Mike had nothing to do with this thread, it was ALL me. It is also not directly in response to his infraction but it is lumped in the sum that annoys me.

Instead of attacking my thread and Mike's involvement why don't you help us to make this forum a better place. Bring something constructive to the table instead of excuses and side stepping the topic at hand.

I have gone through the proper channels and got SHRUGGED OFF and it is happening to Mike. It just so happens that he is the current victim, merely coincidence.

What I want to see is a change in the mods attitude toward ANY issue a user feels needs their attention. If they are not willing to do that they should not be a mod.

I already said I don't care if the decisions get over turned only that the user gets a proper response for the mods decision.

I also understand people are at work and do not expect this problem to be quickly fixed, I just want it fixed. You don't seem to want that and would rather offer nothing of my thread for the betterment of the forum.

The fact you will not even acknowledge the topic here is part of the problem.

this is better than jersey shore.

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The initial thread is already public. It is not the forum members decision. It is the mods/admins decision.

I just don't think a PERSONAL matter like this needs to be brought to the attention of the entire forum.

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Because mods and admins should just do whatever they want right? No scrutiny, just apply the rules however they want?

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

What did you do? Let me count the ways..

You operate barely within the rules. If it was my decision (which it isn't) you would get infracted (or at least warnings) for much more than you actually do.

You are the one who responded to this thread.

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Within the rules. You said it yourself. It doesn't matter to what degree, the rules are the rules and if you are operating in them then you're operating within them.

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So now, do you feel that if it had been addressed the proper way to start with we would not even be here?

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Probably not, since if it was addressed properly he wouldn't have an infraction and none of us would be here. What rule was violated exactly?

:rolleyes:

You guys can continue to think its cool to joke about hurting animals... but I don't think its cool, and I form opinions about people who so openly talk that way.

Within the rules? Sure. Doesn't mean you should talk that way.

Steffe come on... You NEVER make any jokes about anything that could hurt someones feelers a bit?

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:rolleyes:

You guys can continue to think its cool to joke about hurting animals... but I don't think its cool, and I form opinions about people who so openly talk that way.

Within the rules? Sure. Doesn't mean you should talk that way.

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I guess you have never been to a comedy show. Don't ever go, you are far to sensitive. I guess you never watch movies that have jokes involving animals. The dog in "Something About Mary" ended up in a body cast. I guess you wrote the director a letter explaining your disgust?

That thread is closed anyways. That is not the topic here.

I feel the mods have some leeway in enforcing the rules. If they felt an infraction was needed and assigned one, then fine. The person who got the infraction can appeal and ask for explanations.

But then this thread doesn't seem like anything but someone acting butthurt. If a mod responded in a "less than professional" manner, then you can take it to the admin and complain about how you were treated. Saying that a single infraction is "small potatoes" doesn't seem like a big deal to me. It doesn't seem like it's some big insult nor rude, but then I didn't get the infraction and I(obviously) have not read the entire PM to see how it might come off.

But posting a thread with vague "The mods are super mean!" type stuff makes the OP look like a whiny baby. You talk to the mods via PM, and if they are rude to you, you can go to the admin. If the admin says it's not a big deal, then you can live with it or leave the site.

Skirting the rules IS within the rules, but if you are continually skirting the rules purposely, then yeah, I can see the mods slapping an infraction or warning on you. It's like a little kid holding a finger two inches from another's face and claiming "I'm not touching you!".

Generally on a site, I go via PM about mods or admin behavior. If there's a pattern of lousy behavior from a mod, the admin or other mods should deal with it.

That's my $0.02. If the mods leave this thread, then folks will post on it, which is fine by me. But it's useless to jump up and down, spouting off opinions you've already stated, since you didn't see the PM referenced and you don't know what infractions were given by who.

So BP.net is a comedy show now? Must have missed that memo where everything here needs to be turned into a joke.

I'm sorry I don't come to BP.net for comedic relief. That does not mean I am sensitive, because I am not. I just think the comments made were in bad taste. It is not something I would say in this kind of environment.

And no, I don't try try to make jokes in order to hurt peoples feelings... I try to be considerate.

Ok i'm done. I'm gunna just go "get over it". If thats the final word from whom i was issued the infraction, so be it. Arguing obviously isn't going to change anything. I really think some of you people on here need to grow a thicker skin though.

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So BP.net is a comedy show now? Must have missed that memo where everything here needs to be turned into a joke.

I'm sorry I don't come to BP.net for comedic relief. That does not mean I am sensitive, because I am not. I just think the comments made were in bad taste. It is not something I would say in this kind of environment.

And no, I don't try try to make jokes in order to hurt peoples feelings... I try to be considerate.

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No one said everything is a joke? Where did you see that? You might not come here for comic relief, but you also don't dictate what is posted here. There is no conceivable way anyone could know what you do and do not find funny or tasteful. Just because you wouldn't say it doesn't mean someone else can't. Why is everything about you? The way you want it, what you find offensive, what you would or wouldn't say, what you find tasteful. Without being in your head or running every single post by you before it's posted there is no way to know what might upset you. If you can't handle someone posting something that you might not like or you might not say yourself I would suggest you unplug the modem and stay far, far away from the internet. Or alternatively, hit the little x. Back out of the thread there's no need to keep reading what upsets you.

The White Knights and sheltered souls sure are coming out of the woodwork here :rolleyes:

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No one said everything is a joke? Where did you see that? You might not come here for comic relief, but you also don't dictate what is posted here. There is no conceivable way anyone could know what you do and do not find funny or tasteful. Just because you wouldn't say it doesn't mean someone else can't. Why is everything about you? The way you want it, what you find offensive, what you would or wouldn't say, what you find tasteful. Without being in your head or running every single post by you before it's posted there is no way to know what might upset you. If you can't handle someone posting something that you might not like or you might not say yourself I would suggest you unplug the modem and stay far, far away from the internet. Or alternatively, hit the little x. Back out of the thread there's no need to keep reading what upsets you.

The White Knights and sheltered souls sure are coming out of the woodwork here :rolleyes:

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This right here is the kind of attitude that makes me NEVER want to give ANY advice to ANY of you.


Mods. What the heck is going on. Why is this even allowed to happen? Now suddenly I am not allowed to express my opinion because others will ASSume that I am making everything about myself?

I'm out of here. Have fun bickering.

Wow...ok, let me see if I can address all the important posts.

First off, Mike had nothing to do with this thread, and even though he commented in it, he TRIED to stay out of it by saying that he was waiting to hear back from me through the PM system that he properly used. I appreciate that. I don't believe he instigated this thread in any way, nor did he intend to use it as a platform to complain about the infraction.

KMG didn't start this thread (as far as I understand it) in order to complain about the infractions either, but rather to say that "the mods" are being dismissive by calling the issue "small potatoes." Well, first off, that wasn't "the mods" that was ME. And that wasn't me trying to be dismissive, but rather trying to smooth things over a bit by putting things into perspective. SERIOUSLY, if this is the hardest thing we have to deal with, then our lives are tremendously blessed, and it helps the blood pressure to keep that in mind.

KMG says that we aren't giving proper consideration to complaints about infractions. I have to ask how anyone could know one way or the other how much thought, discussion, and effort go into weighing infractions and appeals? We don't post "minutes" of our mod discussions. You don't see me setting aside my paying job for a time earlier today to deal with this ridiculous mess. Do you have any idea how much time I've already devoted to this? No, you don't. But because I happened to NOT go the way you wanted me to go, you assume I must have dismissed it all without any thought? Wrong.

The admins and mods are human. And therefore, there will always be slight inconsistencies in how things are dealt with. We're not machines, computers, nor perfect beings. But we work our asses off to be as fair as humanly possible. NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO AGREE THAT WE'RE FAIR OR RIGHT. That is, and has always been the case. There's nothing we can do about that.

We try to be tolerant of different levels and types of humor. But we all have our limits. And if a member consistently tests those limits, they WILL eventually cross a line, whether they believe that line was fairly placed or not. I, and the other admins, are not shy about reversing a moderator's decision if we feel it was made in error. We've done it before and we'll do it again. And EVERY appeal is given sincere consideration. Some cases are more easily decided than others, but once decided, we're firm on that decision, whether it is agreed with or not. I'm not going to second guess my moderators unless I feel there is a very strong reason to do so. In this case, I felt Mark acted within his role as a mod. I'm sorry if some people are unhappy with that decision. But making every individual happy is not our goal.

I have more to say to Mike that I will be doing in private. If he wishes to share any of that later, he is free to do so.

You mean the way you took up issue with us expressing ourselves. Hypocrisy at it's finest right there.

No one said you can't share you're opinion but I'm also entitled to mine. I think that saying people shouldn't post something because you, wouldn't or might take issue with is is ridiculous. We can't all bend to your whim and know what you approve of. And I think that pretending the world is sunshine and rainbows doesn't do anyone any favors. The sooner you accept that the less horrifying it will be when you little bubble bursts. Since you like to, as you put it "ASSume" things maybe you should try actually reading posts. Like the whole thing, because it's pretty clear you aren't. No one said every post was supposed to be comedic, no one said you can't have an opinion.

And to Judy, what I don't get and what is that the "General Hostility" rule seems to keep getting thrown around. Is it like how the cops can charge you with disorderly conduct just because they don't like something you're doing? Because it really seems to be the "I'm mad at you but can't think of a reason" rule.

Okay, where for me to start?

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This should be and deserves to be public.

I'm not trying to attack or offend the mods. I just think things could and would be better if they were handled in a better way.

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It is only the business of those involved, not the general public.
I think there are a lot of things that could be "handled a better way" but I would be banned by now ;) We each have our own views BUT we are open to try and understand each other as MODs too.

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Because mods and admins should just do whatever they want right? No scrutiny, just apply the rules however they want?

Within the rules. You said it yourself. It doesn't matter to what degree, the rules are the rules and if you are operating in them then you're operating within them.

Probably not, since if it was addressed properly he wouldn't have an infraction and none of us would be here. What rule was violated exactly?

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We do stay within the rules set before us, how about you go read them and think about how far YOU want to stir the pot. The boiling point can get here faster than you might like.

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Steffe come on... You NEVER make any jokes about anything that could hurt someones feelers a bit?

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I didn't say anything in the other post and I tried to derail it, even though I do feel that I kind of failed my MOD duties :oops:
I think the point is more knowing when to quit but you kept posting about it. YES it did get under my skin but I was trying to ignore you/it. You understand?

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You mean the way you took up issue with us expressing ourselves. Hypocrisy at it's finest right there.

No one said you can't share you're opinion but I'm also entitled to mine. I think that saying people shouldn't post something because you, wouldn't or might take issue with is is ridiculous. We can't all bend to your whim and know what you approve of. And I think that pretending the world is sunshine and rainbows doesn't do anyone any favors. The sooner you accept that the less horrifying it will be when you little bubble bursts. Since you like to, as you put it "ASSume" things maybe you should try actually reading posts. Like the whole thing, because it's pretty clear you aren't. No one said every post was supposed to be comedic, no one said you can't have an opinion.

And to Judy, what I don't get and what is that the "General Hostility" rule seems to keep getting thrown around. Is it like how the cops can charge you with disorderly conduct just because they don't like something you're doing? Because it really seems to be the "I'm mad at you but can't think of a reason" rule.

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Yes, you are now a prime "disorderly conduct" patron:cool: Keep stirring the pot and disrupting the flow of everyone else's well being. Get the point?
Might be better if you sign off for the night and cool your jets.

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We do stay within the rules set before us, how about you go read them and think about how far YOU want to stir the pot. The boiling point can get here faster than you might like.

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I have, and I've had to quote them back to a mod before to show them they weren't being violated. Then they dropped the issue. That's my point.

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Yes, you are now a prime "disorderly conduct" patron:cool: Keep stirring the pot and disrupting the flow of everyone else's well being. Get the point?
Might be better if you sign off for the night and cool your jets.

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And thanks for confirming this. I figured you're out to prove yourself as a new mod in light of recent events. That or a power trip, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say proving yourself. Guess I was was right.

*Holds out wrists* Cuff me officer.

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And thanks for confirming this. I figured you're out to prove yourself as a new mod in light of recent events. Guess I was was right.

*Holds out wrists* Cuff me officer.

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Maybe you don't know me yet, I could care less about what ANYONE here thinks of me. Follow me on FB and learn little one.
I respect this site and what it brings to the www. so I have learned to control myself here.

If I was out to prove myself, you wouldn't be able to post for a while. I am open minded and really love a good debate and I can always take it over the line in the right places.


BTW, you might want to read ALL of the TOU: 21. All members are responsible for reading and understanding the full content of the TOS and Site Rules. The Administrators (and their staff) reserve the right to determine what constitutes proper use of Ball-Pythons.net. They have final judgment on whether or not the Site Rules and/or Terms of Service have been violated and what the consequences of said violations will be.

Thank you Judy. I know it is a smaller issue but I just feel it should still be treated as it is important. I think we are blessed with only small issues here and I am thankful for that and this site in general. I truly am glad it is here and to be a part of it. I just want it to be the best place possible and don't think it is your job to decide what is small or large to a concerned user. I can guarantee that the things many people here find stressful would not even make a mark on my chart. Just because I don't think its a big issue does not mean I don't think it should be addressed.

I don't have a personal problem with anybody that is admin or a mod. I just had a problem with the initial response. I think it would have been better by plainly stating that the mods decision was sound and you backed his play. Not saying that it was small potatoes. To me that makes it seem as if not much effort or thought went into it. I am sure that you do bust your ass here and I understand you have a real job. I have no problem with anybodies work output here. I think overall the site is moderated very well.

Pit, I don't see why this could not be discussed like this. It does not seem like anything here should be private and I wanted to include everybody interested. It is not exactly G14 classified material.

While it appears not many are interested or have experienced the feeling of bringing a issue to the higher ups and not getting an appropriate answer or at least an explanation I still wanted to post my thoughts on the issue and try to find a better way to handle issues like this.

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Maybe you don't know me yet, I could care less about what ANYONE here thinks of me.

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So power trip then.

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If I was out to prove myself, you wouldn't be able to post for a while.

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So threats now? That's what this site is now? Mods issuing threats, not even over PM this time!

Here's a fun one, what on earth makes you think you could stop me from posting? An IP ban? Go for it. Changing my external IP address wouldn't be hard at all. I know it's easy to push a button to ban some one but how does that work when the person know the intricacies of what that button actually does? IT is what I do so if you want to threaten me, go ahead but its not a very good threat.

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Pit, I don't see why this could not be discussed like this. It does not seen like anything here should be private and wanted to include everybody interested. It is not exactly G14 classified material.

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I understand what you are saying BUT I personally think infractions should only be handled between the one who issued it and the one who got it. Take it to other MODS but not to other members. I kind of look at it like "work", would you want me chastising you in front of your co-workers? Also I tend to get a little more "blunt" in PMs but I try to make sure we understand each other. You get where I'm coming from?

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I understand what you are saying BUT I personally think infractions should only be handled between the one who issued it and the one who got it. Take it to other MODS but not to other members. I kind of look at it like "work", would you want me chastising you in front of your co-workers? Also I tend to get a little more "blunt" in PMs but I try to make sure we understand each other. You get where I'm coming from?

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I see your point, but if someone feels it's getting out of hand they should be allowed to say something. And that won't happen without members communicating. If you made your decision and you stand by it I don't get what your issue is.

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So power trip then..

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No, I live my life for me and my family. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

So threats now? That's what this site is now? Mods issuing threats, not even over PM this time!

Here's a fun one, what on earth makes you think you could stop me from posting? An IP ban? Go for it. Changing my external IP address wouldn't be hard at all. I know it's easy to push a button to ban some one but how does that work when the person know the intricacies of what that button actually does? IT is what I do so if you want to threaten me, go ahead but its not a very good threat.

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Really?? Whats your next card to play in this game?? You asked a question and cant handle the answer I gave you.
Now you want to violate: 5. ONE account per member. You may not have more than one member-name/ID for your private use. If you have a member-name/ID already and wish to change it, you must notify an Admin before making any such changes and explain why you feel such a change is necessary. Not all name-change requests will be honored, but names changed without a prior request and permission will automatically be disabled, and could possibly result in the original account also being suspended either temporarily or permanently. Member names must comply with the Family Friendly rules. Member names may NOT incude web addresses, including but not limited to "www." and ".com" prefixes and suffixes

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

No, I live my life for me and my family. Get over it.






Really?? Whats your next card to play in this game?? You asked a question and cant handle the answer I gave you.
Now you want to violate: 5. ONE account per member. You may not have more than one member-name/ID for your private use. If you have a member-name/ID already and wish to change it, you must notify an Admin before making any such changes and explain why you feel such a change is necessary. Not all name-change requests will be honored, but names changed without a prior request and permission will automatically be disabled, and could possibly result in the original account also being suspended either temporarily or permanently. Member names must comply with the Family Friendly rules. Member names may NOT incude web addresses, including but not limited to "www." and ".com" prefixes and suffixes

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Whoa now, who said anything about a second account? Or were you just assuming that?

And you didn't give me an answer, you gave me a threat.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

Whoa now, who said anything about a second account? Or were you just assuming that?

And you didn't give me an answer, you gave me a threat.

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Your statements are here to read, reread them please.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Your statements are here to read, reread them please.

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That they are. Does that mean you're asking for a crash course in Internet Protocol or...? I mean I can explain it if you want but I don't know how well it would work. It takes time to learn about. Nowhere was a second account mentioned. But I'm sure you can quote where it was for me. Maybe you should try reading it?

It's just ridiculous that it's to the point where if your post doesn't make some one feel warm and fuzzy inside it's considered hostile.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I understand what you are saying BUT I personally think infractions should only be handled between the one who issued it and the one who got it. Take it to other MODS but not to other members. I kind of look at it like "work", would you want me chastising you in front of your co-workers? Also I tend to get a little more "blunt" in PMs but I try to make sure we understand each other. You get where I'm coming from?

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I do.

I'm not trying to fight for anyone to get a infraction over turned, only that in the future all site staff more carefully consider how little their response can make a user feel without intending to. I'm sure Judy was not trying to make anybody feel like they or their problems were not important but I think that is how it came off. That is my issue, nothing more. Unfortunately Mike's issue is most recent and is getting referred to, that is all. Like I said earlier that is only coincidence.

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Originally Posted by KMG

I do.

I'm not trying to fight for anyone to get a infraction over turned, only that in the future all site staff more carefully consider how little their response can make a user feel without intending to. I'm sure Judy was not trying to make anybody feel like they or their problems were not important but I think that is how it came off. That is my issue, nothing more. Unfortunately Mike's issue is most recent and is getting referred to, that is all. Like I said earlier that is only coincidence.

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You ALL also have to remember that "WE" have real jobs and pop in from time to time. It is not easy to handle business here in a full length conversation or explanation when most of us probably shouldn't be on here at those times anyway. Plus, we are human and I know I tend to re-direct at times so when I am frustrated with something else I try to keep it short here.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

You ALL also have to remember that "WE" have real jobs and pop in from time to time. It is not easy to handle business here in a full length conversation or explanation when most of us probably shouldn't be on here at those times anyway. Plus, we are human and I know I tend to re-direct at times so when I am frustrated with something else I try to keep it short here.

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You chose to accept your post. A lot of us have full time jobs, school or both at the same time and are human as well.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

You ALL also have to remember that "WE" have real jobs and pop in from time to time. It is not easy to handle business here in a full length conversation or explanation when most of us probably shouldn't be on here at those times anyway. Plus, we are human and I know I tend to re-direct at times so when I am frustrated with something else I try to keep it short here.

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I do understand that. I would rather wait a couple days to get a good answer over getting a fast answer. I have no problem with any of the staff waiting until they have the time to make a proper response. I think other users would feel the same.

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Originally Posted by mackynz

You chose to accept your post. A lot of us have full time jobs, school or both at the same time and are human as well.

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No one was speaking to you, learn to read the quotes;)

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Originally Posted by KMG

I think other users would feel the same.

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I can think of one right now that doesnt:rofl::rofl: