Killer clown project....how should I go about it?

Sooo, I was perusing WOB looking for my next project(after my super pewter project)..and I want something totally different in our collection. Ive always admired clowns, and they are def different than the other morphs we currently have. When I came across the pic of the killer clown, I thought..THAT. that's it! And I also remember discussing going halfers on a clown project with a friend of mine while at the bar one night. Which brings me to my original question...clowns can be pretty pricey, and combos are even pricier! I don't have the kinda coin to drop into a snake that some of you other guys do, so Im trying to figure out the best way to go about eventually producing one. Should I: 1. invest in a pair of super pastel 100% het clowns(pretty pricey)? 2. invest in a just female clown, and later breed her to our lemon blast, which would be a many year project....(but wed have a clown in our collection)? 3. invest in a pair of 100% het clown pastels(cheaper, but longer project)? Im probably going to have $500-$800 to invest into the animal(s). This is thinking out loud, and waaay into the future cuz id have to wait until next seasons tax return time to purchase said snake(s). Plus I don't know how much my friend would have to spend...that's a piece to consider too. Your thoughts and suggestions are more than welcome whether I like them or not :P

I'd go with a pair of pastel 100% het clowns. You'd have a shot at a Killer Clown in a couple years and I bet you could get a pair for a grand or less. Casey Lazik produces some incredible clown and het clown stuff. Not totally sure what he's up to this year, but last year he had some killer stuff. Ranging from $400-600 for really clean pastel 100% het clowns to $25000 Pastel Enchi Clowns lol

go with 2 female pastel 100% het clowns. then when they are close to breeding size pickup a male clown or pastel clown depending on the price. that way what ever you produce will be 100% het. and if you already have the females at size, it makes a whole lot more sense to drop money on a better male being you will get the return sooner. if you only get a clown male, you have a good chance to produce a visual pastel clown male. hold him back and breed him back to the 2 females pastel het clowns to produce your killer. plus if you change your mind on the project, you shouldn't lose money on a female that grown in size. hope this helps don

i would have to agree with don thats sounds like the best way to go and will help you get that killer clown in a couple of years instead of many years

pastel het clown females are still $750ish

I got my female pastel Het clown for $1200 last year.
The lowest I've seen this year was around $750-800 for a low quality female. Female clowns in the 1k+ area....

I would continue to save up for a pair of pastel Het clowns. Your budget seems a little on the low side unless you want a male pastel het clown and normal het clown female

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I think based on your budget you might be a little tight but what I would do would be to buy a female Pastel Het Clown this season and wait a year before buy a male, that will allow you to save the extra money needed and give time to your female to do a little growing.

I agree with Don, go with a pastel het clown girl now, get her to size and save the cash for a male.

I bought a male pastel het clown a female het clown and a female pastel 50% possible het clown, who proved out last year. The two original females are ready to drop this year. Last year i held back a female clown a female super pastel 66% het clown and two female pastel 66% het for next year hopefully.

I kind of like Don's suggestion. If you and I each picked out a pastel 100% het clown female, then next year we pick up a clown male or a pastel clown male to share, we'll have better odds right out the gate. If we got the male visual this year it would be entirely too tempting for me to throw all my other plans out the window and pair him to all my females. Grr Clown why do you have to be so pretty!? D:

My budget is for my half. Idk if my friend is putting up the same or less...im thinkin like $300-$500 for her part.

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I like where you guys are goin tho. Id really love to go for the super pastel 100% het clown female and raise her up, but thats prob a bit too high outta my budget. Plus, i dont want to buy a poor quality animal.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I got my female pastel Het clown for $1200 last year.
The lowest I've seen this year was around $750-800 for a low quality female. Female clowns in the 1k+ area...

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Ouch.
I sold a super nice 300 gram blonde pastel 100% het clown female for $900 last year and saw others for the same price, this season they should be $750ish with lower quality even lower than that.
Unfortunately our bee female didn't go this year so no pastel or bee hets :(

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Ouch.
I sold a super nice 300 gram blonde pastel 100% het clown female for $900 last year and saw others for the same price, this season they should be $750ish with lower quality even lower than that.
Unfortunately our bee female didn't go this year so no pastel or bee hets :(

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Doh!

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hi guys, i just bought a male pastel 100% het clown and a female 100% het clown ready to breed this year(female 1200g+ male 600+). Im gonna keep my eyes peeled for a pastel het, or another het girl. Im in the UK though, and they are few and far between. How much would a breeding weight pastel 100% het female cost over ur side of the pond? Id also be interested in what value you would put on the pair i bought too??

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Ouch.
I sold a super nice 300 gram blonde pastel 100% het clown female for $900 last year and saw others for the same price, this season they should be $750ish with lower quality even lower than that.
Unfortunately our bee female didn't go this year so no pastel or bee hets :(

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Worth it. Hasn't really browned out yet.(knock on wood) LOL.

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But really. I was looking everywhere last year for a female het clown(early in the year, so everything was 11' babies). And $1200 was definitely the average at the time.

I know you have your heart set on a Killer Clown, but have you taken a really close look at King Clowns and Butter Clowns? I think they blow the Killer Clown out of the water at a cheaper entry pricepoint as well.

Anyways... I recently acquired a bunch of Clowns and 100% Het Clowns. They are all pictured on my website.

0.2 2011 Fire 100% Het Clowns- 1100g and 900g
0.1 2012 100% Het Clown- 600+g
0.1 2012 Clown- 800+g
0.1 2012 Pastel 100% Het Clown- 300+g

2.0 Clowns ('08 @ 1500g and a '12 @ 350g)
1.0 2012 Butter 100% Het Clown- 600g
1.0 2011 Pastel Het Clown- 650g

I have no specific plans except to pair one 0.1 Fire Het with a 1.0 Butter Het for a Nuclear Clown and the other 0.1 Fire Het with the 1.0 Pastel Het for FireFly Clowns. I'll take 1:16 odds on the first Nuclear Clown- none produced that I know of yet.

Thanks corey! I will def check those out.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

I know you have your heart set on a Killer Clown, but have you taken a really close look at King Clowns and Butter Clowns? I think they blow the Killer Clown out of the water at a cheaper entry pricepoint as well.

Anyways... I recently acquired a bunch of Clowns and 100% Het Clowns. They are all pictured on my website.

0.2 2011 Fire 100% Het Clowns- 1100g and 900g
0.1 2012 100% Het Clown- 600+g
0.1 2012 Clown- 800+g
0.1 2012 Pastel 100% Het Clown- 300+g

2.0 Clowns ('08 @ 1500g and a '12 @ 350g)
1.0 2012 Butter 100% Het Clown- 600g
1.0 2011 Pastel Het Clown- 650g

I have no specific plans except to pair one 0.1 Fire Het with a 1.0 Butter Het for a Nuclear Clown and the other 0.1 Fire Het with the 1.0 Pastel Het for FireFly Clowns. I'll take 1:16 odds on the first Nuclear Clown- none produced that I know of yet.

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:bow: That's a nice group!

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

I know you have your heart set on a Killer Clown, but have you taken a really close look at King Clowns and Butter Clowns? I think they blow the Killer Clown out of the water at a cheaper entry pricepoint as well.

Anyways... I recently acquired a bunch of Clowns and 100% Het Clowns. They are all pictured on my website.

0.2 2011 Fire 100% Het Clowns- 1100g and 900g
0.1 2012 100% Het Clown- 600+g
0.1 2012 Clown- 800+g
0.1 2012 Pastel 100% Het Clown- 300+g

2.0 Clowns ('08 @ 1500g and a '12 @ 350g)
1.0 2012 Butter 100% Het Clown- 600g
1.0 2011 Pastel Het Clown- 650g

I have no specific plans except to pair one 0.1 Fire Het with a 1.0 Butter Het for a Nuclear Clown and the other 0.1 Fire Het with the 1.0 Pastel Het for FireFly Clowns. I'll take 1:16 odds on the first Nuclear Clown- none produced that I know of yet.

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I have eggs in the bator from my avatar (pastel clown male) to my lesser female and a pastel female, with many more females due from breeding him too. got my fingers crossed! don

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I have eggs in the bator from my avatar (pastel clown male) to my lesser female and a pastel female, with many more females due from breeding him too. got my fingers crossed! don

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Congrats on the eggs!!

I'm pretty sure they will all be ready this coming season less the 0.1 PHC and the 0.1 HC..... just a bit too far behind on weight since they were bought in the last few months. I am very excited about the 0.1 Fire 100% Het Clowns.

I talked it over with my husband, and we are also considering starting with a female clown, raising her up, and then putting her to a male superfly. Or, getting a male firefly 100%het clown, and a female pastel 100% het clown. Still up in the air tho..

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pretty penny indeed..

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Whoah...thanks creepin. That girl is absolutely gorgeous...but way outta my price range. Bein poor sux :(

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

I talked it over with my husband, and we are also considering starting with a female clown, raising her up, and then putting her to a male superfly. Or, getting a male firefly 100%het clown, and a female pastel 100% het clown. Still up in the air tho..

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I heard many breeders say that the clown females seem to take longer to mature for breeding. the same is said about pied females too. I had a pied female that had eggs before she was 21 months old. there are exceptions to every rule.

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Congrats on the eggs!!

I'm pretty sure they will all be ready this coming season less the 0.1 PHC and the 0.1 HC..... just a bit too far behind on weight since they were bought in the last few months. I am very excited about the 0.1 Fire 100% Het Clowns.

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I have 2 female superflies that I'm raising up for my clown project. I have 2 fireflies that's breeding size right now, but they were already bred before. the one had a clutch already, where I got the superflies from. I'm very picky when it comes to breeding and producing hets. my females stay with that project and bred with nothing else until I'm thru with them in that project. even a female that drops eggs could still retain sperm. email tracy from V.P.I. on this, and she confirmed this. hopefully by the time the superflies are ready, I should have a killer clown and a pastel lesser clown. the clown is my biggest project going right now. we seen just the start of what's going to be produce with the clown gene.

snakelady, if you like the killer clown. imagine that combo with the fire gene added. with this combo it's not what the fire gene does to the clown gene, but what the fire gene does to the pastel gene that's in the killer clown. it's going to be :O

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Originally Posted by don15681

I have 2 female superflies that I'm raising up for my clown project. I have 2 fireflies that's breeding size right now, but they were already bred before. the one had a clutch already, where I got the superflies from. I'm very picky when it comes to breeding and producing hets. my females stay with that project and bred with nothing else until I'm thru with them in that project. even a female that drops eggs could still retain sperm. email tracy from V.P.I. on this, and she confirmed this. hopefully by the time the superflies are ready, I should have a killer clown and a pastel lesser clown. the clown is my biggest project going right now. we seen just the start of what's going to be produce with the clown gene.

snakelady, if you like the killer clown. imagine that combo with the fire gene added. with this combo it's not what the fire gene does to the clown gene, but what the fire gene does to the pastel gene that's in the killer clown. it's going to be :O

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:O ...exactly what i was thinkin :D

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How much are superflies goin for these days?

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How much are superflies goin for these days?

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the last I seen was around 1800. if there's not many produce this summer, it shouldn't drop much. but you never know about this market.