First boa, a morph?

Hi all!

Im new to this forum, just registred and in need of your expertise.

I mainly keep ball pythons but yester day I bought my first little boa male, Ive been wanting one for a long time now haha.
Hes born 2012 and is about 80cm.
The guy that sold me the boa told me its a sunset but I really dont think so. He looks nothing like the sunsets Ive ever seen in pictures.
I know he is a hog cross but do you guys think he is an existing morph so to speak? Is there a way to visually se whats in him? Non the less he is really well tempered, curious and ate right away.
http://s9.postimg.org/q9mjs5697/Boa1.jpg

http://s9.postimg.org/60u49b0mj/Boa2.jpg

http://s9.postimg.org/lz7vwk163/Boa3.jpg

http://s9.postimg.org/h3494v10r/Boa4.jpg

I'm on a tablet and the pics are not large enough to really see good detail and color. When I zoom in they get very grainy. Try posting them in a better quality/ larger size.

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Originally Posted by KMG

I'm on a tablet and the pics are not large enough to really see good detail and color. When I zoom in they get very grainy. Try posting them in a better quality/ larger size.

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Ok lets try imageshack, better now?
http://imageshack.us/a/img690/1183/boa4r.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/8309/boa3d.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img221/7422/boa2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img221/7422/boa2.jpg

For some reason it reminds me of a Hog Island, but it's obviously not a pure Hog...

It looks like a hypo to me. I'm not seeing any hog island influence.

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Originally Posted by M&H

It looks like a hypo to me. I'm not seeing any hog island influence.

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Originally Posted by M&H

It looks like a hypo to me. I'm not seeing any hog island influence.

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Oh ok. I really wanted a hog cross or a pure hog because they get smaller, is that correct? So how big will will this little guy get, 6-9 and thick as a thigh haha?

Dont get Me wrong, I love This little guy but I rad very clear on that I wanted a boa that wouldnt get to Big and was adviced to get him because hes a hog cross and would get a round 5".

A hog island cross more than likely will always be over 5 foot. A pure hog island gets to be 5 to 6 foot in length. I have a pure hog female who is over 6 foot in length and 26 pounds. I have a two year old male who is 3 1/2 feet and about 1000 grams.

A cross would be about 7 feet.

I would say it's just a hypo bci which you can assume at max would be 10 feet. Weight truly depends on how you feed him.

10 ft is a little large for a BCI male - even females generally don't get more than 8 ft or so. I would suggest that he should max out at around 7 ft. But M&H is correct that a Hog cross will get larger than a pure Hog. Crosses are usually more influenced by the Colombian blood rather than the other way around. If you'd wanted a smaller boa, I would've suggested a pure Hog Island male or a male Dumerils.

But this is a very nice snake and it is definitely a hypo. I don't see any Hog influence either, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Of course, as I said, that wouldn't change the snake's maximum growth anyhow if he's a cross.

If you are concerned, a 7 ft boa is not too bad. You should be able to manage him in a 4x2x2 cage as an adult, and boas are notoriously easy to handle. :gj:

My newest boa is pushing 7 feet, if not bigger. I have no problems holding her, although she is quite strong. Fairly certain she won't be getting any bigger as she's now 10.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

10 ft is a little large for a BCI male - even females generally don't get more than 8 ft or so. I would suggest that he should max out at around 7 ft. But M&H is correct that a Hog cross will get larger than a pure Hog. Crosses are usually more influenced by the Colombian blood rather than the other way around. If you'd wanted a smaller boa, I would've suggested a pure Hog Island male or a male Dumerils.

But this is a very nice snake and it is definitely a hypo. I don't see any Hog influence either, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Of course, as I said, that wouldn't change the snake's maximum growth anyhow if he's a cross.

If you are concerned, a 7 ft boa is not too bad. You should be able to manage him in a 4x2x2 cage as an adult, and boas are notoriously easy to handle. :gj:

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Ok Thank you. At least i know what to expect size wise haha. So if it would have been hog in him what should the visible identification marks be?

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

My newest boa is pushing 7 feet, if not bigger. I have no problems holding her, although she is quite strong. Fairly certain she won't be getting any bigger as she's now 10.

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Nice =)!

Please post a pic of her if you want.

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Originally Posted by Bobbafett

My newest boa is pushing 7 feet, if not bigger. I have no problems holding her, although she is quite strong. Fairly certain she won't be getting any bigger as she's now 10.

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Nice =)!

Please post a pic of her if you want.

Here she is. She's fairly calm and pretty easy to handle.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/ugy3ahet.jpg

Thanks for all your help!
so he is probably a hypo bci and not a sunset. Is a sunset hypo x hypo? Dosnt have to be a hog hypo in a sunset?
How much should a hypo bci like mine cost in general?

Bobfett, shes really good looking! Is she like a hockey puck girth wise?

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Originally Posted by m&h

it looks like a hypo to me. I'm not seeing any hog island influence.

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Looks hypo to me too. Here's mine for comparison.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/y8ehahyb.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/zeny6y7e.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/ejyperep.jpg

Congrats on yours, boas are awesome!

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Originally Posted by DooLittle

Looks hypo to me too. Here's mine for comparison.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/y8ehahyb.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/zeny6y7e.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/05/10/ejyperep.jpg

Congrats on yours, boas are awesome!

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Good God!! Once again awesome pics Doolittle!!

First off, no matter what exactly you have, it's a nice looking snake. Don't worry too much about size. There are a lot of over exaggerated reports on size until the tape measure comes out. You more than likely will have a nice 4.5-7 foot snake if it's a male. Big ones are the exception not the rule. Suggested reading would be the Rio Bravo Reptiles web page, and of course Vin Russo's THE COMPLETE BOA CONSTRICTOR.

Feed you snake conservatively and you will not be shocked by a huge growth spurt. Genetics will play the ultimate role in size. "The oldest snakes are the biggest!" and that is from the mouth of Gus Rentfro one of the leading locality boa breeders and experts.

In 10-20 years you will be so used to your snake 7-8 feet won't be a bother if it ever gets that large.

Have fun with it, and enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by tigre

Thanks for all your help!
so he is probably a hypo bci and not a sunset. Is a sunset hypo x hypo? Dosnt have to be a hog hypo in a sunset?
How much should a hypo bci like mine cost in general?

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A sunset is a hypo x hog island. A sunset boa is a hypo but all hypos are not sunsets. As far as price goes it varies drastically, as usual. I have seen them go for as low as $50 and goes up from there.

Great feedback, thank you all! So if I breed this little hypo male to an hog female the chanses are that some of the offspring vill be sunsets? I really like this little guy and I can se how boas can be adictive haha. He was born 2012 and is already close to 3 foot. Is that a normal growth rate for an bci? I actually saw a true hog island pair for 285$, Thinking of buying them. Thats about what I paid for this guy.

The only reason I said it looked like a Hog was because of the super-speckling it had, but that was it. :P That's why I didn't say for sure cause I felt like I'd be wrong.

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Originally Posted by tigre

Great feedback, thank you all! So if I breed this little hypo male to an hog female the chanses are that some of the offspring vill be sunsets? I really like this little guy and I can se how boas can be adictive haha. He was born 2012 and is already close to 3 foot. Is that a normal growth rate for an bci? I actually saw a true hog island pair for 285$, Thinking of buying them. Thats about what I paid for this guy.

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Yes if you breed him to a hog island you will have some sunsets. However nothing will be "pure hog island" from that breeding. It will be normals, hypos, and sunsets.

I have three 2012 boas. One of my males is at 3 feet ish, eating medium rats. The other two are smaller, at about foot and a half or two feet and eating smalls. They are both from the same breeder though ( one male and one female).

$265 for a pure pair is good, about the going price. Pure hog islands are not to common and often are a percentage of hog island.

Going back to your desired length realize that hog island will grow over 4 feet more than likely. As stated I have a female that was measured at 6 foot but I honestly think is about 7-7 1/2 feet. She is a pure hog island also, no mixing.

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Originally Posted by M&H

Yes if you breed him to a hog island you will have some sunsets. However nothing will be "pure hog island" from that breeding. It will be normals, hypos, and sunsets.

I have three 2012 boas. One of my males is at 3 feet ish, eating medium rats. The other two are smaller, at about foot and a half or two feet and eating smalls. They are both from the same breeder though ( one male and one female).

$265 for a pure pair is good, about the going price. Pure hog islands are not to common and often are a percentage of hog island.

Going back to your desired length realize that hog island will grow over 4 feet more than likely. As stated I have a female that was measured at 6 foot but I honestly think is about 7-7 1/2 feet. She is a pure hog island also, no mixing.

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Ok. After reading your answers Im no longer to concerned with length over 4 foot. They dont seem to get to fat either if you dont overfeed them. If I breed a super sunset to a hog what will the offspring be?

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Originally Posted by tigre

Ok. After reading your answers Im no longer to concerned with length over 4 foot. They dont seem to get to fat either if you dont overfeed them. If I breed a super sunset to a hog what will the offspring be?

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This is Miss. Piggy. She is my '06 female pure hog island. The smaller snake in the picture is my '10 male Hog island. This is a Iris brand VE175 tub.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...19675696_n.jpg

This is her in my arms for an idea of width.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...91937339_n.jpg

She eats an ex-breeder rat every two weeks and weighs 26 pounds. Not trying to scare you I'm a 5'2" female and can handle her, just explaining that they do become large in their own right. Especially if you were thinking about 4 feet as your limit.

I mistyped previously about how to make a sunset.

Hypo bci x Hog Island = dh sunset (hypo hog island)

dh sunset x dh sunset = Sunset

I hope that makes sense.

Omg shes really big and beutiful!:-) So this is how big my little male can get haha.