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Some Brongs!
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Some Brongs!
Boy did I read this title wrong! :p
Nice snakes though. Love some of their paint jobs.
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Re: Some Brongs!
Me too!!! :p
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Re: Some Brongs!
The water bowl in that last pic reminds me of the water bowl in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEV9Yz1_dzk
When the brong was given more water volume/surface area it was finally able to shed and defecate... . .
Food for thought (if you can digest it).
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I'm not sure why that vid got brought up here. My big blood has a water bowl that is way to small to soak in but sheds just fine. My young ones also shed fine without soaking. Actually all my snakes shed fine without soaking. Needing to soak to complete a shed is a sign of bad husbandry, not an issue of a small water bowl.
I could not take a snake out of that soup, wipe it, and then place it in its tub. It needed a good fresh water bath. That was disgusting.
Back on topic. Great looking snakes!
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Thanks for the comments.
To Joe, I've been keeping Bloods and Short Tails this way since 2004. I've seen your other post, and some of your YouTube videos, and see you have a lot of different opinions. I'm not sure how many Short Tails you keep, but I keep plenty, and my collection does fine. I didn't ask for husbandry advice in this thread. There's plenty of different ways to keep this species and be successful.
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Those bloods look pretty darn healthy to me. I also (especially with my bigger bloods) don't always have a water dish big enough for them to soak in and they defecate regularly just fine.
Beautiful beautiful snakes!!! I'm waiting for some color on my 2012 T- boy. What year is yours?
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The last matrix is off the hook cool and beautiful..
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Re: Some Brongs!
ADD's (Attention Deficit Disorder's) please skip this post.
Re: I'm not sure why that vid got brought up here. My big blood has a water bowl that is way to small to soak in but sheds just fine. My young ones also shed fine without soaking. Actually all my snakes shed fine without soaking. Needing to soak to complete a shed is a sign of bad husbandry, not an issue of a small water bowl.
That vid got brought up here because, as was stated, "The water bowl in that last pic reminds me of the water bowl in this vid". Normally time wouldn't be wasted commenting on photos because there's not much that can be discerned from them. Most are simply attempts to depict particular colors/patterns. Every now and then though photos include something other than a "paint job" (to use the term stated by a previous poster on this thread) and make commenting worthwhile. Had the photo in question been uploaded into a photo gallery I'd have never seen it and hence not commented.
Yes indeed "needing to soak to complete a shed is a sign of bad husbandry", and particularly low humidity. There are at least six ways to increase humidity but the safest way is to increase the surface area of available water. It's also the easiest way for the hobbyist, however for the collector &/or large scale breeder it's simply not feasible.
Re: The "snake in that soup". We all know how infrequently Bloods defecate. Actually, allow me to revise that - We all know how infrequently Bloods defecate IN CAPTIVITY, where their movement is relatively restricted, and the amount of water available to them is also relatively restricted. We don't need a PhD in physiology to realize that these restrictions are not conducive to alleviating constipation and, in fact, merely compound the problem. The sooner the fecal matter is expelled the better. How many days earlier, how many WEEKS earlier, could the excrement inside the intestine of that "snake in the soup" have been expelled? Was it just by coincidence that it was ready to defecate on the exact same day that it's owner decided to complete its shed? Think about it.
The creator of that vid wanted us to see "The less glamerous side of blood pythons" but we can see something else there, if we just look.
Re: I've seen your other post, and some of your YouTube videos, and see you have a lot of different opinions... There's plenty of different ways to keep this species and be successful.
Thank you for reading/watching my posts/vids. You are obviously one of the members of this sub-forum that have not gone to my profile and chose the "add to ignore list" option. (Which, I may add, is a viable alternative for any of you who don't like me &/or what I write. The style of my future posts will NOT change.) And thank you very VERY much for admitting that "There's plenty of different ways to keep this species and be successful." You are, so far, the ONLY large scale breeder to publicly admit this. We will be in Hamburg four weeks from today and still on the lookout for PR Bloods or Bloods with PR potential, preferably Normals but would pay morph prices for them. Over & out.
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Many snakes dedicate right after a shed. I would expect that even the youngest keepers would know this.
The snake in the soup would not have been in that situation if the owner was correctly keeping it. It is not the less glamorous side of bloods. It was the results of poor husbandry. I have never had to pull a snake out of something that disgusting.
Why somebody even feels the need to post a video like that is strange. It was a good example of what not to do but not a good example of what should be expected with owning a blood. My blood is in no way restricted and dedicates often. Often meaning, just as regularly as the others in my collection.
As far as commenting on something other than the snakes in the pictures. It was not needed or asked for. The snakes are obviously very healthy and having stuck shed or how to make a nasty soup was just not needed here. I'm all for observations in a photo but this one was out there.
I know you love YouTube and think its very educational. I don't, and think many share my opinion. While YouTube does have a few good things it is largely a fun loving free for all to post whatever you want nonsense. Just because its online does not make any of it correct. Just like another user here thinks urban dictionary is a reliable dictionary to actually follow. Its not.
That video should have explained that his humidity was low and while trying to help his snake it dedicated making a very nasty environment. I would hate for a person thinking about getting a blood would see that video early in their research and get bad information that could turn them off of such a great species to work with.
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I know the person that made that video. He is a fine keeper. Soaking animals is part of keeping snakes, whether its before they shed to help, or after they shed, because it had a dry or incomplete shed. If you live on the east coast which I do and so does he, winters can be very dry, even if kept on cypress mulch, sphagnum moss, etc. Most people soak for around 30 minutes, say the animal takes a dump within the first 5 minutes, that can be the results.
To Joe, I'm glad you agree that there are many different ways to keep these animals. You come off like your ways are the only ways. I noticed in one of your videos, you have a Brong that you said has a URI and the temp is 75 degrees. I'm not sure if that's your steady temp, but for a animal with a URI or not that temp is pretty low, and in my experience that seems to cause URI's. Just to add in, I breed my animals, if the husbandry was off and my snakes were not healthy, I'm sure breeding and laying good eggs may be difficult, along with them all having great appetites, and raising them up. I don't run into them problems, with the exception of 1 or 2 animals a year possibly getting sick, which I do what I need to do, to get them back to regular health.
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I realize many people soak snakes and im sure he is a fine keeper. I just didn't like the video and how it was titled. I didn't see much use to it. Especially on this thread.
I don't t have to ever soak mine to help with a shed. I mist appropriately and watch my humidity very close. With doing that I get nice full sheds.
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That T- is absolutely stunning
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Gorgeous bloods Matt.
And yea, that is my video that was linked earlier. Like Matt stated, we are on the east coast (I'm from Massachusetts) so humidity is a constant battle. But When I see that one of my bloods or short-tails is out of opaque/beginning to shed, I typically soak them to make sure things go smoothly. That video was recorded in my livingroom (not where I keep my snakes/racks. And she WAS washed before being put back, making assumptions can be very misleading. The girl in that video is also bit over 4' long now and sheds regularly. And if anyone wants to talk further about it, feel free to message me :cool:
Again Matt, Gorgeous snakes! Really hope I can pick up some Ocelot stuff from you when things start hatching. :gj:
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Is this the Joe posting on here?
**Video removed for language**
You're attitude toward your snakes is rather disgusting. First of all, there's a LOT of color variation in normals, WC and CB (whether or not they're hets). And to show these cold, stiff snakes and say that you're keeping that "ugly" female as long as she's nice, but add that if she ever bites you'll "cut her ******* head off?" Really? You need to not have snakes.
Sorry, I usually try not to get involved in this stuff, but that comment especially irked me. Horrible...
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Re: Some Brongs!
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Originally Posted by bloodpython_MA
And yea, that is my video that was linked earlier. Like Matt stated, we are on the east coast (I'm from Massachusetts) so humidity is a constant battle. But When I see that one of my bloods or short-tails is out of opaque/beginning to shed, I typically soak them to make sure things go smoothly. That video was recorded in my livingroom (not where I keep my snakes/racks. And she WAS washed before being put back, making assumptions can be very misleading. The girl in that video is also bit over 4' long now and sheds regularly. And if anyone wants to talk further about it, feel free to message me.
So you help me make my point. YouTube videos are not a good educational tool. You didn't explain that the snake would be cleaned and given a fresh tub. So others like me will watch your video and see you wipe the snake off and place it in a dressed out tub. Why put it back on mulch? Unless it was going to be tossed out you just ruined it by putting a dirty snake on it.
Yea assumptions can mislead but so can pointless videos that teach nothing. The video could have been great. Take that bad situation and go through the process of cleaning the snake and disinfecting the tub. Then somebody may learn something. As you posted it the video is misleading with a poor choice for a title with no educational value.
I'm all for free information and learning from YouTube. But most the videos I have seen are really misleading, misinforming, or just plain dumb. Make a video but make it useful.
Do you always have a bad shed if you don't soak? I'm in Houston and the humidity in my home is super low compared to what some of my snakes require but I don't have to soak. Maybe you are doing extra work that is not needed. I try to leave my snakes alone during a shed and always have nice full sheds. Both my BRB and GTP shed this past week with nothing more than an occasional misting.
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Originally Posted by fkdmatt
... you have a Brong that you said has a URI and the temp is 75 degrees. I'm not sure if that's your steady temp, but for a animal with a URI or not that temp is pretty low, and in my experience that seems to cause URI's...
thank you for watching the vid, yes 75 was the temp outside and immediately following the view of the thermometer i said out loud and clearly audible that i prefer it ~10 degrees hotter and, within ~1/2hr it was because they were taken indoors; no of course it's not steady temp, and yes low temps contribute to RI which is what i believe caused that snake to fall ill in the first place in the house of her previous owner, she is doing much better under my care now, an hour ago i made a short vid of her choosing to bask in the hotter and drier part of her tank... iL upload it later :P
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Originally Posted by KMG
So you help me make my point. YouTube videos are not a good educational tool. You didn't explain that the snake would be cleaned and given a fresh tub. So others like me will watch your video and see you wipe the snake off and place it in a dressed out tub. Why put it back on mulch? Unless it was going to be tossed out you just ruined it by putting a dirty snake on it.
Yea assumptions can mislead but so can pointless videos that teach nothing. The video could have been great. Take that bad situation and go through the process of cleaning the snake and disinfecting the tub. Then somebody may learn something. As you posted it the video is misleading with a poor choice for a title with no educational value.
I'm all for free information and learning from YouTube. But most the videos I have seen are really misleading, misinforming, or just plain dumb. Make a video but make it useful.
Do you always have a bad shed if you don't soak? I'm in Houston and the humidity in my home is super low compared to what some of my snakes require but I don't have to soak. Maybe you are doing extra work that is not needed. I try to leave my snakes alone during a shed and always have nice full sheds. Both my BRB and GTP shed this past week with nothing more than an occasional misting.
I think the video was fine. I understood the intention of it. Sometimes that will indeed happen when soaking a blood python, and it is less than glamorous. Sometimes we as keepers have to help our animals out. If this has to be done by soaking, then so be it. The keeper doesn't really need to be looked down upon because he or she is trying to help the animal, right? I live in Southern California. It is very dry here in the summer and winter. I sometimes have to soak a snake or two. No big deal. In any case, it isn't so much of a humidity issue, but more likely an animal hydration issue anyways. Just some things to think about.
That Matrix is super cool by the way Matt!
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Originally Posted by SSGTROUT
I think the video was fine. I understood the intention of it. Sometimes that will indeed happen when soaking a blood python, and it is less than glamorous. Sometimes we as keepers have to help our animals out. If this has to be done by soaking, then so be it. The keeper doesn't really need to be looked down upon because he or she is trying to help the animal, right? I live in Southern California. It is very dry here in the summer and winter. I sometimes have to soak a snake or two. No big deal. In any case, it isn't so much of a humidity issue, but more likely an animal hydration issue anyways. Just some things to think about.
That Matrix is super cool by the way Matt!
I realize that. I wasn't trying to look down on the owner. I Just didn't see any educational value to the video. In my later post I say that and share my opinion of what could have made the video better.
Hydration and humidity go hand in hand. My home is usually in the low 30's for humidity. I really don't see think my humidity here is really helping me with my sheds. If I can get good sheds for a gtp and a brb without soaking I'm sure yall can too.
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