SK vs Jolliff vs VPI?

What's the real difference between them? I know most people favor the VPI line but why? I want to get a pastel axanthic female this summer but I don't know which to start with. I probably wouldn't do Jolliff. JD constriction works with SK and I do like the snakes he's produced. Does one line hold their color better than the other?

Brit (Anatopism) just got a sweet pastel ax. Im not sure who she got him from. I'm not a huge fan of ax combos, but that baby she got is hot!

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Originally Posted by Marrissa

What's the real difference between them? I know most people favor the VPI line but why? I want to get a pastel axanthic female this summer but I don't know which to start with. I probably wouldn't do Jolliff. JD constriction works with SK and I do like the snakes he's produced. Does one line hold their color better than the other?

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Like all morphs there are good ones and bad. Popularity can be a downfall sometimes when people breed poor examples. I've seen good and bad of all lines. I have a smoking Proven Jolliff Pastel het Ax and Ax female that are both really nice. They produced some really nice Pastel Ax babies a couple years ago. This line isn't super common so it would be a hard sell for people that use VPI or TSK stuff.

Regards,

B

Are joliff, tsk and vpi compatible or no?

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Are joliff, tsk and vpi compatible or no?

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None of the lines are compatible with each other.

Regards,

B

I personally like the VPI line a little bit more, but John (JD constriction) has some AWESOME SK axanthics that I would consider purchasing. I don't think you would be sorry if you purchased an axanthic from him. I might even get into the SK line eventually even though I have 5 snakes that carry the VPI version.

John is also talking about doing more tests in the future to see if the lines are compatible. I don't think anyone has really tried pairing visual SK to visual VPI at all recently. I might be wrong though.

People favor VPI because they are known to hold their colors the best. They generally don't brown out as bad as the other lines. There are exceptions of course, but this is generally what's said.

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Brit's Pastel SK Axanthic is a very nice one. She picked out the best one I had available at the time :(

As far as line compatibility I know that Joliff and VPI are not compatible and the results have been publicly stated. I haven't heard of a homozygous to homozygous VPI to SK or SK to Joliff breeding being done and the results being publicly stated. Lots of talk tho and a couple het to het breedings here or there.

I actually recently got a VPI female to give it a whirl in a few years if no-one beats me to it.

Hope that helps!

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

None of the lines are compatible with each other.

Regards,

B

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I've had SK and VPI. I prefer VPI as adults. Here is my 2000 gram Pastel VPI female. She is due to lay in the next few weeks. Hopefully we get some Axanthic Bumble Bees. We have another Pastel het VPI also due to lay in the next month.
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As for compatibility, none of the lines are compatible. All of them have been bred together.

Hey Brandon,
Do you know who did the breedings? I've asked around and gotten nothing confirmed is the reason I ask. It's always "I heard so and so bred them together" and it doesn't go anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

As for compatibility, none of the lines are compatible. All of them have been bred together.

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Thanks guys! Anyone have any comparisons of adults VPI vs. SK? I don't really know of any VPI axanthic breeders to look into.

JD- I can't wait to see your hatchlings this summer. You're the only breeder I know of that works so extensively with the axanthic gene.

Thanks Marrissa! :)

I'm very excited for this season as well. I'm waiting on my first axanthic eggs yet but it does look like I should have a few axanthic combos this season. My usual worry is that I don't end up making many regular axanthics, but that's a good problem to have I guess.

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JD- I can't wait to see your hatchlings this summer. You're the only breeder I know of that works so extensively with the axanthic gene.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

People favor VPI because they are known to hold their colors the best. They generally don't brown out as bad as the other lines. There are exceptions of course, but this is generally what's said.

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Agreed. VPI hands down. They hold their colors the best. Markus Jayne has done some breedings and found the different lines to be not compatable.

Alright thank you. Can you guys name a few VPI axanthic breeders for me to take a look at?

I've purchased a few animals from the below breeders and have been very happy with the quality. These guys are all great to work with and only produce VPI axanthics (as far as I know). Best of luck in finding something!

Suffolk Selects - Carl Gilmore

Ball Python Investments - Ken McAlexander

Bailey and Bailey Reptiles - Tim Bailey

Cold Blooded Addiction - Jon Courtney

Thank you very much! Off to google.

As far as I know the three lines are not compatible. Personally I'd be a little leary to cross them myself, you'd probably end up with a bunch of double hets which when bred together would produce axanthics, but you'd have difficulty in determining which line of axanthics you actually produced and then what would you tell your customers? Just ask any leopard gecko breeder about cross the three lines of albinos that they have (then put on your flame resistant underwear before the response) ;)

I did pick up a Jolliff female about a year ago (Garrick DeMeyer has them). They're not as bold of an example of Axanthism as the other two lines but they do tend to have a more banded pattern. I thought they'd go well with other naturally banded morphs like the Enchi's

I decided to go with VPI simply because there were more available to chose from, and thus a bigger market share of potential future buyers for any future offspring. That said, I've gotten quite a few compliments about my girls lack of brown-out.

I have a het joliff pair that I hoping to prove out ( and see if I got a really lucky break since the ay are possible het for snow as well ( only slightly) I also I have a vpi axanthic that is het for snow who will be breed to out albino once she of size,