super butters?

My husband & I have a hobby breeding collection of ball pythons. We have a lovely butter female that should be ready for her first breeding season next year. We've been debating back & forth about who to pair her to & in the process of deciding a question has come up. My husband has always wanted to produce a blue eyed lucy, cool beans... I'm on that. Well a breeder at a show mentioned that butter to butter breedings can be lethal. Thats news to us.... buuutttt.... we would like the reassurance of other breeders who have worked with butters. Neither of us has Ever heard from Anyone else that the "super butter" has any problems, just this one guy. :confusd:

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Originally Posted by DancingFlutterby

My husband & I have a hobby breeding collection of ball pythons. We have a lovely butter female that should be ready for her first breeding season next year. We've been debating back & forth about who to pair her to & in the process of deciding a question has come up. My husband has always wanted to produce a blue eyed lucy, cool beans... I'm on that. Well a breeder at a show mentioned that butter to butter breedings can be lethal. Thats news to us.... buuutttt.... we would like the reassurance of other breeders who have worked with butters. Neither of us has Ever heard from Anyone else that the "super butter" has any problems, just this one guy. :confusd:

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I have never heard of Super Butters being lethal so I dont think the guy knew exactly what he was talking about :confusd:

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Originally Posted by Shewter325

I have never heard of Super Butters being lethal so I dont think the guy knew exactly what he was talking about :confusd:

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They are not lethal, but they do have high chances of producing bug eyed BELs.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

They are not lethal, but they do have high chances of producing bug eyed BELs.

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How high of chances? I mean its a possibility but I don't think its as big of a deal as kinking in super cinny's/black pastels or caramels.

You could always do Mojo to butter. Skip the bug eyes and sill get a bel.

we do have a male mojo so thats an option...

No they are not lethal

I don't see why people think bug eyes are such a big deal personally, but to each their own.

I think the bug eyes are a big deal in the sense that you have a smaller market for them since there aren't a lot of folks looking to buy an animal with something wrong with it's eyes. Would make a good pet but not something I'd want as breeding stock, so yeah, there are those points.
I don't think it's particular frequent though? I very rarely hear people talking about producing bug eyed Super Butters/Lessers and lord knows a lot of folks are breeding them. I wonder if there are any seasoned breeders who could give a rough estimate on the probability of creating bug eyed BELs.

Our super is blind, as is his sister, they have eye issues.
Luckily it doesn't pass down to the offspring.

i look such stuff up here:

http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php its the best summary of morph issues ive seen so far.


so its just the eye issue, nothing else. and as others mentioned, its not passed on to the offspring. So if you breed a super lesser to lets say a phantom or mystic or super mystic, all offspring will be healthy and you will get healthy high-white BELs as offspring. So for breeding they are quite awesome, if you dont breed to other butter/lessers but to anthing else from the BEL complex, like mystic/phantom or mocha or russo or mojave, you hit healthy BEL-combos with 50% or 100% odds.

and even if they go blind (many dont), they still do fine in captivity, heat pits and their sense of smell compensate to a degree. Blind BPs have a reputation of being healthy and good pets.

i would say, if you want to produce some for breeding, as keepers, go for it.