Orange Dream. What is the big deal?

I hope that I don't get too much hate for this post, but I can't for the life of me figure out what all of the hype is about. Some of the single gene baby pics look kind of cool, but I can't see much of a difference in most of the combos. And the few adult pictures I've seen look like pretty normals.

I hate thinking that everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon, so tell me what I'm missing here. Maybe I just have to see them in person?

I don't have any plans to work with Orange Dreams but the differences I see in most of the combos are much more brighter with creamier/milky tones than their single gene counterparts.

it can produce combos like no other.

this. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

Yep no big deal :rolleyes:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-orange-dream/

Super Dream Bee Fire

http://www.ozzyboids.com/IMAGES/misc_102.JPG

To me it's not about the OD itself it's about it's potential.

I still maintain that the single gene OD and pretty much all of the combos are just "meh". Like that leopard OD you linked. It's nice, but imo that is 90% due to the leopard gene.

Admittedly the Super OD combos are definitely pretty sweet looking so far. I wasn't really paying attention to them until now, so I feel kind of silly having posted this thread. I'll reserve judgement until more come out.

Shhhhhh!!! Ozzy will hear you...

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Originally Posted by creepin

it can produce combos like no other.

this. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

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Holy Crap.
You forgot the sunglasses warning.

They're nice, but not a gene I'm particularly interested in working with though. They don't bring enough to the table for what they're going for right now imho.

single-gene orange dreams appear to lose all of the orange as they get older.

is that also true for the combos? is it true for the super orange dream?

im not sure, but i suspect this gene maybe just makes block-rocking totally stunning beautiful colorful........ babies and subadults.

Maybe my suspicion is wrong, but i guess ill stay suspicious, unless someone has pictures of totally stunning beautiful 5-year old orange dream combos, where orange dream still visibly plays a role, and im not talking about pattern changes caused by super orange dream. And maybe my suspicion is right and after 5 years, or even earlier, the magic is gone.

Sometimes a hype is justified, i think thats true for example for banana/coral glow and leopard and toffee/candy. But sometimes it isnt, and in this specific case i am just as suspicious as the original poster.

I was pretty much in your camp until the supers came out. I'm still kind of a doubter---what do the supers look like as adults? And I'm just not thrilled about the price tags on the single gene animals, when they are totally going to look like a normals later on.

But as far as I'm concerned, the super ODs did prove that there really was something to it.

No hate, as it is a relatively muted and mild base morph. I just got this wonderful little female for my collection:
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...23518961_n.jpg

who will no doubt lose some of her sizzle in the years before she breeds, but what is spectacular about OD is what you can do with it. There are so many combinations yet to be seen on the open market and it intensifies color and cleans pattern. Here is a few that made it one of our dream morphs since starting:

Orange Dream Bumblebee by Markus Jayne
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...31853292_n.jpg

The original Dream Bee
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...xJFT-GRk5v49kg

The Inception
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...48913769_n.jpg


Couple more:
Orange Dream Leopard
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...-dream/003.jpg

Orange Dream Champagne
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...mpagne/001.jpg

IT'S AN INCREDIBLE COMBINATION MORPH IMO!

can we agree orange dream is either just as good as enchi or not as good as enchi, but not better than enchi?

because when i see multi-gene morphs, and compare them with the same multi-gene morph with enchi added, i think enchi delivers at least as much.

p.s.: i still think the orange fades... while the pattern on that inception still stays incredible.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

can we agree orange dream is either just as good as enchi or not as good as enchi, but not better than enchi?

because when i see multi-gene morphs, and compare them with the same multi-gene morph with enchi added, i think enchi delivers at least as much.

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I would put them on par with what they bring to combinations, but in a different way. I bet people said the same things about Enchis years ago when they were first discovered, as they are relatively "boring" in a base morph but bring amazing things to combos. I see OD in that league, and I think it will be as sought after in 5 years or less for what it adds to combinations and a collection. That's just my thought, and I know many don't agree but not all examples of the OD look normal as they age, but granted they lose their intensity but retain some orange. So do a lot of other base morphs though.....isn't that a primary goal of us creating combinations....to enhance and retain each individual gene better then they are on their own?

AWKWARD, AWKWARD :taz:

photoshop conflict detected, image at worldofballpython morph list:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...eption/001.jpg
AWKWARD, AWKWARD :taz:

dont know what to say.... except that: it wasnt me, dont shoot the messenger.

EDIT: i saved the other one, and as long as the link works here it is for comparison:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...48913769_n.jpg

AAAAAWKWARD, CONFUSED.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

AWKWARD, AWKWARD :taz:

photoshop conflict detected, image at worldofballpython morph list:
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...eption/001.jpg
AWKWARD, AWKWARD :taz:

dont know what to say.... except that: it wasnt me, dont shoot the messenger.

EDIT: i saved the other one, and as long as the link works here it is for comparison:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...48913769_n.jpg

AAAAAWKWARD, CONFUSED.

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sorry, I am confused as well, am I not allowed to use WOBP pictures? Never claimed it was mine and certainly never touched photos. Just a combo that proves the capability of the OD. Did I mess up? :(

the color has been changed dramatically. And i have both files on my harddrive and can make them available at any time and any place.

dont you see the color difference between the two images? And dont you see that it is THE SAME SHOT? I conclude that one of the images is manipulated.

sorry, cannot resist, too nice a pun..... orange "DREAM".

EDIT: in case you are wondering, the upper link goes directly to the file hosted by worldofballpython in the big morph list. The second link goes to an image file hosted at sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net , some file-hoster i dont know.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

the color has been changed dramatically. And i have both files on my harddrive and can make them available at any time and any place.

dont you see the color difference between the two images? And dont you see that it is THE SAME SHOT? I conclude that one of the images is manipulated.

sorry, cannot resist, too nice a pun..... orange "DREAM".

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no idea, but I took the URL from where I shared it on my Facebook page straight from WOBP.. I didn't and have no reason to touch the image. Tonight is not my night here, and is really burning me out on this so I am going to get some sleep. No idea why there is a slight change, maybe compression from Facebook? Sigh

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

the color has been changed dramatically. And i have both files on my harddrive and can make them available at any time and any place.

dont you see the color difference between the two images? And dont you see that it is THE SAME SHOT? I conclude that one of the images is manipulated.

sorry, cannot resist, too nice a pun..... orange "DREAM".

EDIT: in case you are wondering, the upper link goes directly to the file hosted by worldofballpython in the big morph list. The second link goes to an image file hosted at sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net , some file-hoster i dont know.

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I keep looking, and honestly don't see it. I would appreciate a few different opinions on it as I see no difference. Again, the image had been shared via the WOBP Facebook page and re-shared on my page which is where I grabbed the URL from. No funny business. Man, I am burned on the forums tonight...seems every intended innocent post gets bombarded for some reason

it may be a technical issue, ill get a screenshot of what i see, host it somewhere, and post it here.

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Originally Posted by Kurtilein

it may be a technical issue, ill get a screenshot of what i see, host it somewhere, and post it here.

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Thanks, because honestly they look the exact same on my end and don't understand why that would be different. Sorry to vent my frustrations, just get very concerned about that because don't want the rep of altering or photo shopping WOBP photos :-(

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I did it, a direct screenshot with windows 7, used "paint" that came with it to extract it from cache and save as .jpg file, uploaded to imageshack, and you should be able to see it now. the windows 7 components i used are unchanged original, and i use firefox.

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9186/awkwardreal.jpg

if 10 people in a row now say they cannot see the difference, i guess ill lose all faith in anything electronic or go crazy. i still say there is a difference.

In this last post you made I can see a difference but I don't see any difference between the two pics in your first post. I don't think he'd bother to doctor a photo of a snake that isn't his, especially when it's just a photo to help out another member. I think its just a technical mishap.

Anyways, I never understood the orange dream thing either until this thread when I saw the supers. With my newbieness I was wondering if it was just me having a hard time telling the difference between OD and normal. After this thread I think I want to play around with OD gene way off down the road.

Like others have said, OD's are great for combo's. As far as OD vs Enchi, ill take enchi any day, but thats just personal opinion. We have some enchis over here that are incredibly beautiful and thats on their own.

umm, i guess ill check my computer for this, if you see a difference in my screenshot but not earlier then something must be messed up on my part. But its a quite fresh installation of windows 7 with firefox. I guess what i will do is to look at this thread with the latest mac OS from apple at a friends home, or ill try it with a boot-from-USB no harddrive access linux version. At least i am not totally crazy, you see it in my screenshot. But then i have the two .jpg files on my harddrive and these show the difference as it is in my screenshot. Since its about .jpg, and firefox and windows7, a definitive discovery of this problem would be quite meaningful.

EDIT: maybe its just a technical glitch.... but trust me, ill at least try boot-from-USB linux with firefox portable, and if the two linked .jpg then really look the same..... The conclusion would be that i maybe found a zero-day bug in windows 7.

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Originally Posted by spitzu

I hope that I don't get too much hate for this post, but I can't for the life of me figure out what all of the hype is about. Some of the single gene baby pics look kind of cool, but I can't see much of a difference in most of the combos. And the few adult pictures I've seen look like pretty normals.

I hate thinking that everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon, so tell me what I'm missing here. Maybe I just have to see them in person?

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I've seen the same kind of posts questioning many different new mutations like Enchi, Vanilla, even Mojave and Pastel. Some of it I'm sure is because of people not being able to see the potential in something new but I think it might also be because a lot of the early example of new mutations are not the best examples. It's inevitable that any new mutations will be 'cleaned up' through selective breeding over time. Early Pastels were really not very noteworthy compared to typical examples produced today.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I've seen the same kind of posts questioning many different new mutations like Enchi, Vanilla, even Mojave and Pastel. Some of it I'm sure is because of people not being able to see the potential in something new but I think it might also be because a lot of the early example of new mutations are not the best examples. It's inevitable that any new mutations will be 'cleaned up' through selective breeding over time. Early Pastels were really not very noteworthy compared to typical examples produced today.

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Absolutely true. X2.

I'm personally a fan of the OD combos. Sure, the base morph is fairly subtle, but so is YB and look at the highway ball. Just because a morph is understated doesn't mean it doesn't have tons of potential.

I LOVE the super OD combos. I'm not getting on that project right now with the current prices, but I'd love to have the gene in my collection one day.

I place it in the same category as enchi. Base morph is ok, but its the combos that are sick.

I love orange dreams. Some of the best looking ball pythons I've seen in person have been orange dream combos and I've seen A LOT of snakes.

As a ball python breeder I respect any mutation whether its subtle or significant that can reliably change the appearance in offspring. I make my own judgments and keep them to myself. Cynicism never got me anywhere in life.

The orange dream is not an enchi, I never understood why people even compare mutations to other mutations? I mean does it even remotely matter? Enchis are a dime a dozen, hence the price tag. Orange dreams aren't and offer something completely different. I think it's actually fortunate people get to work with this mutation at such an affordable price so early in its development.

Every orange dream I have hatched has been incredible in base form. Not sure if I got lucky or what, but to me threads like this make me scratch my head.

about the problem with the differently-looking .jpg image, i described the problem in the photography-section of this forum, and someone there managed to figure it out and explained what happened :)

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-in-jpg-images <--- he even made an example that shows it, its on the first page of the thread.

its all very technical, basically an error in the ICC tagging of the .jpg file can cause dramatic color differences and some upload-services just change these aspects of the file. so noone did anyhing wrong, its just a bug. Sorry for the confusion, and that it took so long to figure out what went wrong with the image file.


now that this is out of the way, i would still love to see some images of orange dreams and orange dream combos that are fully adult, the older the better

Here you go. My buddy George is starting to mess around with making videos. There is some OD stuff in this video
.....including the beautiful Inception!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtHpTnZzY8

i went offtopic, skip if not interested in youtube

i had a bit of a youtube-career, until it ended because i lost interest, maybe i will restart it. Im inactive for about 3 years now.

the BPs in the video look awesome, but the video description is lacking data about the morphs shown. Also, if you go into youtube, you either have to have something to say, or you need to say something. The absence or presence of meaning unfortunately isnt that important on youtube, but you EITHER need to talk OR convey a non-verbal message, and that is much more difficult than just talking. Google/youtube algorithms feast on video title and description, (nowadays they sometimes use spech recognition to create transcripts of poor quality, and feed these back into algorithms) but this very good-looking video is not providing enough metadata to be successful on youtube.

If you want any success on youtube based on optics alone, you need to do something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg

if you dont want to talk, but want to get a message across, and be successful on youtube, you need something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yxHKgQyGx0 (here the implicit message is that the video is breaking copyright law in dozens of cases but pulls itself out of the mud by its bootstraps based on fair use legislation)

There is an easy way to grow on youtube.... TALK. speech + images can go big on youtube easily and gradually, if you have something to say and you prefer to express it in words, rather than in writing or in images, then youtube is good for you.

like him, he died before youtube started, but vids like this still get 400000 views:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHJ7FmV0M4 If you have a voice and something to say, then its easy to get into youtube.

Images with music, even if its 30 or whatever images per second, will fail. Youtube is an audiovisual medium, and the most powerful audio is a voice talking directly to you. Apart from an explosion or a shockwave, a human voice is the most powerful audio signal there is.

If you want to be like SnakeBytesTV, thats the first step: Talk. Show your morphs in the video, but say what you have to say about them, one by one, it is not hard to do. damn i got nervous when recording my first videos for youtube, but i could always decide to not upload them after reviewing them. So you just repeat until you are not nervous anymore and managed to say what you wanted to say and talked about the morphs and the genetics and what you like about them. And then you get a really good video. an accent doenst matter, a stutter doesnt matter, if you do it again and again you will accumulate subscribers that will take your voice as it is.

Like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drFKNIN8i8E Now he has a host to do the speaking for him, but for many years he did it himself, like in this video. He has severe trouble breathing by himself and suffers from a genetic disease affecting all muscle control of his body. His voice is flawed, but that did not keep him from growing his channel.

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ok, what are the morphs in the video? all older snakes, i guess many with orange dream or even super orange dream going on. But you have to admit the video is hard to interpret without the genetics of the royal pythons shown ;)

I cant remember what the first one on the right is. the 2nd one is the Inception. Then I think its an OD, enchi, fire. The 4th one on the bottom is a sibling to the Inception and the last on the right is an enchi pied. If I remember corectly.

I love the potential of the ODs, I think they have a great future!

OD are awesome, seeing them in person is better than any pic (like most morphs). Ozzyboids is doing some great things with the morph and I can't wait to see what the future holds. I hope to be working with it very shortly :)....NARBC?

I dont know what the big deal is with fires.

:rolleye2:

I know Justin kobylka did a morphs 101 on them but he never stated what the marker for them is. Anyone know?

OD is an overpriced pastel, looks almost the same works almost the same, most morphs you cant even see the influence. Wait a few yrs when there 100$, dont waste 5k on a pastel

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Originally Posted by mmateo

OD is an overpriced pastel, looks almost the same works almost the same, most morphs you cant even see the influence. Wait a few yrs when there 100$, dont waste 5k on a pastel

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lol

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Originally Posted by mmateo

OD is an overpriced pastel, looks almost the same works almost the same, most morphs you cant even see the influence. Wait a few yrs when there 100$, dont waste 5k on a pastel

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go find me a picture of a super pastel that can do this..

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-yellow-belly/

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Originally Posted by mmateo

OD is an overpriced pastel, looks almost the same works almost the same, most morphs you cant even see the influence. Wait a few yrs when there 100$, dont waste 5k on a pastel

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Lmao. Good one. Bet you think pastel looks like a normal next.
:rolleyes:

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Reviving an old thread, because I'm curious to see if anyone's changed their opinions on the Orange Dream morph and its value (or lack thereof) in their rack.

So, a year later:

Those that said "yes"- is it just as valuable? More?
Those that said "no"- do you still think it's overrated?

Just curious.

I totally hear where you are coming from. I had been looking at the orange dream in comparison with yellowbelly (my wife really wants a pumpkin pied) and couldn't really find anything too crazy. I guess if you want a solid yellow BP its apparently the way to go.

However, the ITS AMAZING pictures are all these crazy 5 gene animals... i guess i think most 5 gene animals look amazing... and most are more interesting. I seriously doubt anyone here thinks those day-glow yellow snakes from Ozzy stay anything close to that color for longer than a couple months. And honestly they really lack in pattern interest.

Compare it to a... I don't know... Fire, Spider, Super Pastel, Yellow Belly (swapped the super OD for super pastel) and you have a far more interesting looking animal which admittedly doesn't hurt as much to look at directly.

So ya, i guess some combos with OD look cool but I'm in your boat, i don't understand the hype either.

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I seriously doubt anyone here thinks those day-glow yellow snakes from Ozzy stay anything close to that color for longer than a couple months.

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I think they do. Lol
http://youtu.be/TuXlmmXmgRw

Exactly, look at how mellow they are compared to the highlighter yellow of the babies. Seems like they dim down like any other pastel.

It's important for the variation of the hobby I think that everyone has their personal preferences to sustain a gene and work with it.

In the video on the Orange Dream page, he says what he's excited about is the OD Spider, which seems easy enough.

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-dream-spider/

the OD certainly seems to bring some pattern reduction that the pastel does not offer.

OD and YB really amp the colors up. Those animals may have mellowed out a bit as they aged but they did not brown out like a pastel would. Everyone has their own preference and I don't like OD on its own but would love to add an ODYB to my collection.

I have a Pastel Orange Dream. I can't wait to work Fire and Mystic into her. It's a different look than Super Pastel. Is it worth the price? That's up to each buyer. I agree that Orange Dream by itself, even my Pastel Orange Dream, aren't impressive on their own, but I like what Orange Dream does in combinstions. And, what it does in combinations, is different enough from Pastel, Yellowbelly, or any other gene, to make it worth getting for me.

I donno guys this is a OD 100% het hypo I hatched ad I'd say for a base gene this blows pastel out of the water!
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psbcc77505.jpg

And the Dream Hypos!
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psa964b351.jpg

Enough said :P OD>Pastel

Just my opinion though....

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