Mites...cripes

Omg...my poor baby girl..noticed her in the water last night..but her eyes were clouding up, so i said to my fiancée, i hope to GOD it's not mites, but we only had her for a month so it might be her thing to soak before a shed..after work got home still soaking..took her out and low and behold. mites..2nd time in my herp hobby/career with these lil buggers..had to be the rat that we gave her. Oh i hate this process :mad:

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the process isnt that bad.... i just went threw it with my BCC. I also only have 2 snakes compared to your 7. i just cleaned out the tank with reptile spray. put paper towel down and sprayed him down with the reptile spray. he hasnt soaked one day since i treated him. just a few more weeks and he can go back on substrate rather than paper towel.

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sorry 4 snakes, 2 dragons, and one frog... my bad lol

Yup, Nick's right. Mites are a pain in the patootie, but not the end of the world. Try what I recommended for him - Reptile Spray from Reptile Basics. http://www.reptilebasics.com/mite-killers You can use this in the enclosure and you can spray it directly on your snake. It is much safer and easier to use than PAM. :gj:

Oh my gosh, I just had the same problem... but was glad I caught it right away. They give me the willies! I had the teeny juvi mites, so I'm glad it wasn't any adults that could lay eggs... Creepers! I use that same stuff mentioned above, and it is AWESOME. It worked immediately. I also sprayed the tubs (one snake affected, but I treated them all... I'm paranoid lol), rack, and area with PAM. Wishing you good luck that you eradicated them!! :gj:

How long does it take to be delivered usually?what should we do in the mean time? Strip the enclosure and bleach everything..

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I got mine at a local pet store so 20 minutes :p

Snake mites don't come from rats.

They are species specific. Where did you get the rat?

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How long does it take to be delivered usually?what should we do in the mean time? Strip the enclosure and bleach everything..

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Www.reptilebasics.com ships right away - same day if you order in the morning!


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Snake mites don't come from rats.

They are species specific. Where did you get the rat?

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At the local feed store..usual spot..nothing else changed in the month we had her..wonder where/how mites got to her

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Yes, Reptile Basics is super fast. In the meantime, you can soak her in the bathtub in tepid water (only slightly warm to your wrist). This will drown whatever mites are on her and help her feel more comfortable until she can be treated. But the Reptile Spray RBI sells is also referred to as Reptile Relief and some better quality pet stores stock it.

Completely gut out your snake's enclosure and thoroughly wash his hides and water bowl (and any other permanent deco in there). Use the Reptile Spray and spay down/wipe out the enclosure (make sure to get in all the nooks and crannies). Replace the substrate with paper towels. Use a seperate clean tub (or bathtub if your snake is large) and spray down your snake with the same Reptile Spray. Allow him to dry and place him back in his enclosure. Do the same thing with all of your other snakes and their enclosures (you have to assume that your other snakes might also have them. Mites can and will travel and better to be safe than sorry).

Mites can come home on YOU. If you visit anywhere that has reptiles, you have the potential to bring home mites. Mites are extraordinarily resourceful and sometimes it seems as though they just "magically" appear in a collection no matter how careful a keeper is. There's no way to know how your snake got them. He could've had ONE on him when you first got him and the infestation is only now becoming apparent. I treat EVERY new snake as soon as I step through my front door with Reptile Spray. So far, I've been lucky and have not had any mites set up house. I intend to keep it that way, but if you work with snakes long enough, you have to expect to deal with them sooner or later. :rolleyes:

Same here, I treat every snake through the door with the reptile spray, then again three days later, and if it all seems good I wait and treat once more when QT is over. Mites are tricky little monsters. I know they don't live on rats, but I do believe if the pet store's husbandry isn't good and they have a bad case of mites, and/or they transfer the uneaten rat back into the feeder cage, they can still grab a ride on a rat, or travel-lay eggs-hatch and hitchhike in on a feeder. While not typical in a decent store, I truly think it's possible. Just my opinion though :)


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Yes, Reptile Basics is super fast. In the meantime, you can soak her in the bathtub in tepid water (only slightly warm to your wrist). This will drown whatever mites are on her and help her feel more comfortable until she can be treated. But the Reptile Spray RBI sells is also referred to as Reptile Relief and some better quality pet stores stock it.

Completely gut out your snake's enclosure and thoroughly wash his hides and water bowl (and any other permanent deco in there). Use the Reptile Spray and spay down/wipe out the enclosure (make sure to get in all the nooks and crannies). Replace the substrate with paper towels. Use a seperate clean tub (or bathtub if your snake is large) and spray down your snake with the same Reptile Spray. Allow him to dry and place him back in his enclosure. Do the same thing with all of your other snakes and their enclosures (you have to assume that your other snakes might also have them. Mites can and will travel and better to be safe than sorry).

Mites can come home on YOU. If you visit anywhere that has reptiles, you have the potential to bring home mites. Mites are extraordinarily resourceful and sometimes it seems as though they just "magically" appear in a collection no matter how careful a keeper is. There's no way to know how your snake got them. He could've had ONE on him when you first got him and the infestation is only now becoming apparent. I treat EVERY new snake as soon as I step through my front door with Reptile Spray. So far, I've been lucky and have not had any mites set up house. I intend to keep it that way, but if you work with snakes long enough, you have to expect to deal with them sooner or later. :rolleyes:

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Thanks Evenstar.

I just ordered a gallon of it from Amazon.

One Boa brought me mites and I've been fighting them for months.

[PAM, Nix, soaks, steam, everything]

I hope this safer, non-toxic stuff does the trick.

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Same here, I treat every snake through the door with the reptile spray, then again three days later, and if it all seems good I wait and treat once more when QT is over. Mites are tricky little monsters. I know they don't live on rats, but I do believe if the pet store's husbandry isn't good and they have a bad case of mites, and/or they transfer the uneaten rat back into the feeder cage, they can still grab a ride on a rat, or travel-lay eggs-hatch and hitchhike in on a feeder. While not typical in a decent store, I truly think it's possible. Just my opinion though :)


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I went to a big box pet store one night and then went across the road to Hobby Lobby.

As I was checking out, a snake mite walked down the cuff of my coat onto my hand.

Thankfully, nobody else saw it or they would have thought I had "cooties" or something.

I was horrified.

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I went to a big box pet store one night and then went across the road to Hobby Lobby.

As I was checking out, a snake mite walked down the cuff of my coat onto my hand.

Thankfully, nobody else saw it or they would have thought I had "cooties" or something.

I was horrified.

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Oh my gosh! No kidding! Kinda makes you want to fumigate everything every time you go any place that has reptiles...


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Thanks Evenstar.

I just ordered a gallon of it from Amazon.

One Boa brought me mites and I've been fighting them for months.

[PAM, Nix, soaks, steam, everything]

I hope this safer, non-toxic stuff does the trick.

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Have you tried predatory mites?

I just would like to say thank you everyone for the great insight

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Snake keepers: will handle an adult Retic calmly; worst nightmare are tiny bugs. :P

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Snake keepers: will handle an adult Retic calmly; worst nightmare are tiny bugs. :P

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LOL you got that right...

Should i use Pam to clean her enclosure tonight till i get the reptile basics spray..or use bleach and water

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LOL you got that right...

Should i use Pam to clean her enclosure tonight till i get the reptile basics spray..or use bleach and water

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Use PAM... everywherrrrrre (except the snake... lol)

Lol thanks nimbly

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LOL you got that right...

Should i use Pam to clean her enclosure tonight till i get the reptile basics spray..or use bleach and water

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with using PAM. It's as safe as anything else if used correctly. Clean the enclosure, hose it down with PAM, and make sure it's dry before introducing her again. You can spray the bedding as well as long as it's dry before the snake touches it.

I've never had need to use anything else, because done right, PAM works.

I haven't had mites but PAM seems to be the overwhelming consensus on these threads.

I have seen Reptile Relief at PETCO before, so check that out if you're waiting for some other product to ship.

I would use Provent-a-mite.

A friend of mine killed his boa with "Reptile Spray". At least that is what he explained to me.

Go to Summit Reptiles site to read about getting rid of mites. They have a good write up about it.

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LOL you got that right...

Should i use Pam to clean her enclosure tonight till i get the reptile basics spray..or use bleach and water

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STOP. Do NOT mix your chemicals! If you're going to use PAM, stick with that and do not use Reptile Spray.

As you can see, most folks here prefer PAM. And it does work - I have nothing against it. However, I don't think it's always the only answer. And there have been some reports that PAM does not work on some species of mites, or that some mite infestations can build up a resistance to it. I do not know how true that is first hand, but I sure have seen a lot of folks post here and on other forums that they've tried PAM and it has not worked for them (see Salamander's previous post) - or that they have to treat and re-treat time after time to solve the problem. And, yes, it has been used properly. ;)

My personal opinion is, why use a strong chemical like PAM if a natural product like Reptile Basics' Reptile Spray is every bit as effective?? I have PAM on my shelf and I always will. But the Reptile Spray is what I reach for first. Safer + just as effective = better.

Here is my experience with mites and Reptile Spray and why I advocate this product over PAM.... I purchased a baby sunglow boa at the Tinley Park expo in October. Found mites on her that first night in the hotel room. Promptly went back to the expo the next morning intending to grab a can of PAM and nuke everything. Fortunately, I had the opportunity to speak with Rich from Reptile Basics before I did that and he gave me a bottle of Reptile Spray and told me how to use it. I sprayed down my baby in the hotel room sink and watched the mites die (and, yes, these were the little hard ones that squished blood and were active on the snake, hince preditory mites). My baby was instantly and completely mite-free! I sprayed and wiped down her small travel tub and put in fresh paper towels. Also sprayed the other boa I'd purchased the day before as well to be on the safe side. I didn't come home with a single one of these little buggers, the problem was solved in one morning after only 30 minutes.

Incidentally, I have NEVER heard of a snake dying from Reptile Spray. This product does not contain permethrin which can be dangerous to reptiles and amphibians (and is the first ingredient in PAM). Reptile Spray destroys the insects' exoskeleton and they die on contact. It also kills with a residual effect so eggs cannot develop. Summit Reptiles does have a good write up on this - although they do indicate specifically to be very careful using any product with permethrin around your reptiles. http://www.summitreptiles.com/id109.html :gj:

Good luck with whatever you decide!! ;)

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STOP. Do NOT mix your chemicals! If you're going to use PAM, stick with that and do not use Reptile Spray.

As you can see, most folks here prefer PAM. And it does work - I have nothing against it. However, I don't think it's always the only answer. And there have been some reports that PAM does not work on some species of mites, or that some mite infestations can build up a resistance to it. I do not know how true that is first hand, but I sure have seen a lot of folks post here and on other forums that they've tried PAM and it has not worked for them (see Salamander's previous post) - or that they have to treat and re-treat time after time to solve the problem. And, yes, it has been used properly. ;)

My personal opinion is, why use a strong chemical like PAM if a natural product like Reptile Basics' Reptile Spray is every bit as effective?? I have PAM on my shelf and I always will. But the Reptile Spray is what I reach for first. Safer + just as effective = better.

Here is my experience with mites and Reptile Spray and why I advocate this product over PAM.... I purchased a baby sunglow boa at the Tinley Park expo in October. Found mites on her that first night in the hotel room. Promptly went back to the expo the next morning intending to grab a can of PAM and nuke everything. Fortunately, I had the opportunity to speak with Rich from Reptile Basics before I did that and he gave me a bottle of Reptile Spray and told me how to use it. I sprayed down my baby in the hotel room sink and watched the mites die (and, yes, these were the little hard ones that squished blood and were active on the snake, hince preditory mites). My baby was instantly and completely mite-free! I sprayed and wiped down her small travel tub and put in fresh paper towels. Also sprayed the other boa I'd purchased the day before as well to be on the safe side. I didn't come home with a single one of these little buggers, the problem was solved in one morning after only 30 minutes.

Good luck with whatever you decide!! :gj:

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Why can you not use PAM and Reptile Spray? (this is not asked in an attacking manner, genuinely want to understand why) I use PAM on my rack, the carpet in the room, and and really any exposed surface where they could possibly hide. And I use Reptile Spray ON the snake, and usually in the tub. Why is this not safe? IMO, if you treat only the tub and rack, but not the snake, then it's miserable until all the mites eventually die off? and if you treat only the snake, you risk re infestation Reptile spray is all-natural and safe for on the snake, so why not use it hand in hand with the PAM, to give the snake immediate relief?

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Why can you not use PAM and Reptile Spray? (this is not asked in an attacking manner, genuinely want to understand why) I use PAM on my rack, the carpet in the room, and and really any exposed surface where they could possibly hide. And I use Reptile Spray ON the snake, and usually in the tub. Why is this not safe? IMO, if you treat only the tub and rack, but not the snake, then it's miserable until all the mites eventually die off? Reptile spray is all-natural and safe for on the snake, so why not use it hand in hand with the PAM, to give the snake immediate relief?

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You could use the Reptile Spray on the snake - sorry if I did not make that clear. Earlier, I had talked to the OP about using Reptile Spray in the snake's enclosure as well as on the snake itself. I wanted to be clear that one should not use PAM on the enclosure and then immediately use the Reptile Spray on top of that - that may well be too much for the occupant. Thanks for clarifying!! ;)

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You could use the Reptile Spray on the snake - sorry if I did not make that clear. Earlier, I had talked to the OP about using Reptile Spray in the snake's enclosure as well as on the snake itself. I wanted to be clear that one should not use PAM on the enclosure and then immediately use the Reptile Spray on top of that - that may well be too much for the occupant. Thanks for clarifying!! ;)

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Oh okay - got it! :)

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I know.

And this place has been actively 'spraying' for mites several times when I've been there.

They hauled a small monitor of some sort out of a tank on the opposite wall who'd been literally sucked dry.

It was awful.

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I know.

And this place has been actively 'spraying' for mites several times when I've been there.

They hauled a small monitor of some sort out of a tank on the opposite wall who'd been literally sucked dry.

It was awful.

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Places like that make me sad for the animals :(


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and, yes, these were the little hard ones that squished blood and were active on the snake, hince preditory mites

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Those are exactly what I've got.

Are they a different kind of snake mite?

They look like tiny little black balls and they do explode blood when you 'pop' them.

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It's a pretty iffy place for all their animals.

Their rodents are sickly.

Their birds look dirty.

They sold me 3 albino bristlenose cats who totally wiped out my established 40 gallon freshwater tank with a disease no one could identify let alone treat.

I was in there last week getting a bottle of the Reptile Relief stuff and a tiny little RTB just kept tracking me and it looked like it was begging me to take it from its dry, cold prison.

I couldn't.

Not only was it priced insanely, who knows what it's carrying.

Poor little thing was so sweet and adorable.

Even worse, it was much different from its tank mates.

Very light with greatly reduced saddles, almost as if it were pastel.

Poor little snake.

:(

OMG...I just spayed my kids with RR and then somebody says it kills snakes?

Seriously?

The bottle says "non-toxic".

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It's a pretty iffy place for all their animals.

Their rodents are sickly.

Their birds look dirty.

They sold me 3 albino bristlenose cats who totally wiped out my established 40 gallon freshwater tank with a disease no one could identify let alone treat.

I was in there last week getting a bottle of the Reptile Relief stuff and a tiny little RTB just kept tracking me and it looked like it was begging me to take it from its dry, cold prison.

I couldn't.

Not only was it priced insanely, who knows what it's carrying.

Poor little thing was so sweet and adorable.

Even worse, it was much different from its tank mates.

Very light with greatly reduced saddles, almost as if it were pastel.

Poor little snake.

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Awh that's just sad. Is there no other place you can get your stuff from? That place sounds like the place that I had gotten my feeders from before I found out that Pet Supermarket sells sizes of feeder rats. They actually had a red tailed boa in the same enclosure as a ball python... no heat, only one half log hide that was barely big enough for the one snake. All of his animals look sickly, or just plain unhappy. I know what you mean about wanting to take it home, but not wanting to risk the possible outbreak at your own home.

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OMG...I just spayed my kids with RR and then somebody says it kills snakes?

Seriously?

The bottle says "non-toxic".

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It's not going to kill your snake. Just spray only the body (NOT face or head) and then rub it all over your snake's body. Spray a little in your hand, and rub it lightly under and on top of it's head.

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What the heck are they?

If they'll kill the mites I have, I'd love to try them.

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Awh that's just sad. Is there no other place you can get your stuff from? That place sounds like the place that I had gotten my feeders from before I found out that Pet Supermarket sells sizes of feeder rats. They actually had a red tailed boa in the same enclosure as a ball python... no heat, only one half log hide that was barely big enough for the one snake. All of his animals look sickly, or just plain unhappy. I know what you mean about wanting to take it home, but not wanting to risk the possible outbreak at your own home.


It's not going to kill your snake. Just spray only the body (NOT face or head) and then rub it all over your snake's body. Spray a little in your hand, and rub it lightly under and on top of it's head.

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Oh crap.

I've gotten some spray on their faces.
[they go crazy when the spray hits their bodies and zoom around]

Should I bathe them??

I ordered my gallon of reptile spray from Amazon.

I don't go in there unless I absolutely have to.

It's too emotionally stressful.

I don't know a lot about them, but I've been hearing about them more often. I'm sure you could dig up a little more, but this is what I found with a quick search:

http://webspinners.com/coloherp/cb-n...nakeMites.html

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I don't know a lot about them, but I've been hearing about them more often. I'm sure you could dig up a little more, but this is what I found with a quick search:

http://webspinners.com/coloherp/cb-n...nakeMites.html

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I was just reading about them.

They sound great but won't all the NIX/Reptile relief and everything else in the tubs and houses kill them, too?

I can't imagine how I'd ever get all the residue of them.

Darn it I wish I'd heard about them first.

My snakes are getting really sick of being spritzed all the time.

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You'd just have to wait for the residue to lose its potency. I believe PAM is effective for about 30 days, so if you wait about 45 to 60 days, you could probably introduce them. The reptile relief isn't going to hurt your snakes at all. And mine don't seem to mind it. I hold them when I spray them, do you?


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You'd just have to wait for the residue to lose its potency. I believe PAM is effective for about 30 days, so if you wait about 45 to 60 days, you could probably introduce them. The reptile relief isn't going to hurt your snakes at all. And mine don't seem to mind it. I hold them when I spray them, do you?


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The young Boa girls are like holding slippery twirling worms with one hand and they're fairly long so I just spritz them when I see them stretched out in their houses.

The bigger snakes don't like it but they lay still....mostly.

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Oh crap.

I've gotten some spray on their faces.
[they go crazy when the spray hits their bodies and zoom around]

Should I bathe them??

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I'm sure it won't hurt them. If you're worried I would just take a damp washcloth and wipe their faces (as much as possible, I know how squirmy they can be lol.)




Also when you said "kids" I thought you meant HUMAN kids and I was like "... yeah I don't think you're supposed to spray them with that..." :P

Salamander, relax. ;) Getting a little Reptile Spray/Relief in the snake's face is not going to hurt him. When I had to spay down my baby boa, she was so wiggly, it was impossible not to get it in her face. And she was a TINY baby and under stress at the time - if it was going to hurt her, it would have immediately. The stuff is very safe. I really don't think that this was the only thing that contibuted to the death of the snake someone reported to have died from this spray earlier. That snake may very well have had either something else actually wrong with it, or had a very heightened sensitivity to the product or even to a single ingredient in the product. We'll never know. But hundreds of people use this product on thousands of snakes and this is the ONLY one I've heard of that has potentially died from it. You don't have to wash it off - just let it dry and give your snake some peace and quiet so it can de-stress.

I personally would not try preditory mites. I just don't like the idea of introducing MORE bugs to take care of the existing bugs. But to each his own - this can be effective. I just hate bugs period so I don't think it's for me. Besides, the Reptile Spray has been so effective and easy that I'm reluctant to change. I hate change. :P

So don't over think things! As I've said before, mites are a pain, but not the end of the world. :gj:

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Salamander, relax. ;) Getting a little Reptile Spray/Relief in the snake's face is not going to hurt him. When I had to spay down my baby boa, she was so wiggly, it was impossible not to get it in her face. And she was a TINY baby and under stress at the time - if it was going to hurt her, it would have immediately. The stuff is very safe. I really don't think that this was the only thing that contibuted to the death of the snake someone reported to have died from this spray earlier. That snake may very well have had either something else actually wrong with it, or had a very heightened sensitivity to the product or even to a single ingredient in the product. We'll never know. But hundreds of people use this product on thousands of snakes and this is the ONLY one I've heard of that has potentially died from it. You don't have to wash it off - just let it dry and give your snake some peace and quiet so it can de-stress.

I personally would not try preditory mites. I just don't like the idea of introducing MORE bugs to take care of the existing bugs. But to each his own - this can be effective. I just hate bugs period so I don't think it's for me. Besides, the Reptile Spray has been so effective and easy that I'm reluctant to change. I hate change. :P

So don't over think things! As I've said before, mites are a pain, but not the end of the world. :gj:

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Thank you.

You really are an angel.

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Got the good stuff..a 8oz. Reptile Relief Bottle..found it local. will work till the gallon jug comes in..

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Enclosures stripped down to bare basics..newspaper liner.(the only time this house don't have paper towels).plastic hides and water trough..i sprayed her down with reptile relief. she looks unhappy lol..how long do i wait to treat her again..and how long does she have to stay like thus in QT? a month i guess

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I wouldn't spray her directly any more often than once every 2-3 weeks. But you might not have to spray her again at all. See if this treatment solves the problem first. They mites may come back, but I'd hold off treating again until you know.

And I would keep her q/t'd for 2 months just to be extra sure. :gj:

Ok consider it done! Evanstar i always enjoy when you chime in..

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Ok consider it done! Evanstar i always enjoy when you chime in..

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Me too. She's always full of good, helpful information! :)

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Me too. She's always full of good, helpful information! :)

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My husband says I'm sure full of something................ :D:D:D

Update!!!!!!! Ok I've had my girl in QT for 3 weeks now..been treating her with reptile relief spray from reptile basics...so since the outbreak..found 1 alive during the enclosure wipe down tonight...none on her..definitely got em scared.."fingers crossed" i think I'm winning


¥ does the reptile relief kill the eggs too, or hatched mites...i know P-A-M says it kills all stages of mites

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Should kill all stages. But it can take a couple of treatments to irradicate them all. :gj: