PETA Pretends to Care About Snakes

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PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals)
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FACT: To kill snakes for their skins, hunters often nail them to trees & skin them alive before tossing them in a pile to die.

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Great, now they'll start rounding up and gassing adoptable herps like they do dogs and cats.
I like how they act like it's some new thing. PETA, you could have been dealing with this before, but you decided to whine about things like Pokemon games and spend money on trying to get people to not play them.
PETA is a joke. I would pass it off as butthurt rambling if they didn't waste money they could be using to help animals. If it isn't telling everyone that our farmers cut cows up while they're still alive(they don't) or saying that Pokemon games convince children that 'Pokemon only exist to fight'(they don't exist, and the purpose of the game is to battle), it's being very behind on things.

On another note, I want to know how these poachers get a snake to sit still so they can gently remove the skin. I've actually done a dissection on a snake before...one false move and you could end up ripping or nicking the skin, and that was with proper medical tools and a non-moving subject. No one would buy a ripped or bloody product...

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Originally Posted by EarthlyMaiden

On another note, I want to know how these poachers get a snake to sit still so they can gently remove the skin. I've actually done a dissection on a snake before...one false move and you could end up ripping or nicking the skin, and that was with proper medical tools and a non-moving subject. No one would buy a ripped or bloody product...

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Although I don't agree with anything that PETA does or says, the harvest and culling of snakes for their skins is probably just as brutal as they make it out to be, take a look at this video. Comparing people dispatching and skinning animals in the field to a dissection you've done is kind of a foolish mentality because those are two very different situations with two very different goals.

That's how I skin catfish. I hope they don't find out!

The video clearly shows them crushing the heads on pythons and then says that "obviously" they're still alive because they still move around. Anyone killing animals knows that bodies still move even after the brain has been destroyed. It's the same argument PETA/HSUS/AR use to say that cows are still alive while being butchered, because a leg is kicking or the body is twitching.

It might not be great for the snakes to get killed for skins, and obviously threatened and protected species should not be harvested... but killing a snake that has a healthy population for skins(and meat) is no different for places like that than killing deer or turkeys is for us.

I understand what you're saying and really, I personally don't have a problem with controlled hunting or slaughter of animals for human purpose, however, a lot of those snakes in the video were not just death thrashing. There were animals still slithering around with their faces bashed in and that is absolutely a horrible and cruel way to dispatch of any creature and then they were hanged up from hook by their mouths and clearly struggling in pain. They were not dead or rendered unconscious when hit with the hammer. :/

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Originally Posted by MisterKyte

I understand what you're saying and really, I personally don't have a problem with controlled hunting or slaughter of animals for human purpose, however, a lot of those snakes in the video were not just death thrashing. There were animals still slithering around with their faces bashed in and that is absolutely a horrible and cruel way to dispatch of any creature and then they were hanged up from hook by their mouths and clearly struggling in pain. They were not dead or rendered unconscious when hit with the hammer. :/

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I don't think you have much experience killing snakes. Even with the head completely cut off they will wiggle and move for a long time after.

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Originally Posted by MisterKyte

Although I don't agree with anything that PETA does or says, the harvest and culling of snakes for their skins is probably just as brutal as they make it out to be, take a look at this video. Comparing people dispatching and skinning animals in the field to a dissection you've done is kind of a foolish mentality because those are two very different situations with two very different goals.

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I have no doubt it's a brutal process, I just don't trust PETA.
They made the same 'cut up while still alive' claim about beef cattle in slaughterhouses. (When, if they actually observed a slaughterhouse, they'd find that it is extremely humane.) They made farmers out to be freaks who like to mutilate live animals, and they tend to categorize everyone who isn't a total vegan as some sort of complete monster. I've reached the point where I assume everything they say is either a complete lie, an uninformed statement or extremely exaggerated.

I was also commenting on how it would be difficult to remove skin from a wriggling, moving animal that could just as easily bite you if you need to get the skin off intact.

It's cool that PETA is putting something out there for snakes. It's just a shame it has taken "the year or the snake" for me to see them care about anything that isn't cute and fuzzy.

PETA is a joke of an organization. As much as they say they love and help animals.. It just doesn't show.

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As an animal lover, if they actually helped animals, I would gladly support them. Classic do as I say not as I do organization.

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Originally Posted by Rob

It's cool that PETA is putting something out there for snakes. It's just a shame it has taken "the year or the snake" for me to see them care about anything that isn't cute and fuzzy.

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PETA does not care.

They are a well oiled machine that do what they do best, using sensational stories (who are true btw) to raise money for their cause and ultimate agenda.

They have used the slaughter of baby seals, now this and it is not because they care it's just because showing animals being slaughtered help raise money.

Showing how animals are tortured as always been the best way for PETA to get donation, don't get fooled by this.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

PETA does not care.

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O I'm aware ;) but at least the public will see something that isn't saying "giant killer snake is going to get you" like every tv show, or article in a paper or magazine says.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

ultimate agenda.

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Which you would say is making profit?

I have never liked PETA. Something has always felt off to me. And I really don't care for their tactics.

I do not agree with PETA at all.

There is however a sad trade in snake skin and snake products. How they are gathered and how the animals are treated and dispatched is hard to say. I am sure coming out of the orient it is fair to say 'regulated' and ethical at least by N. American standards is not certain. Some might say questionable, suspect even. Just because PETA pointed it out doesn't make it un true either. I know that monocled cobras are not endangered or even of concern but uncontrolled commercial harvesting may change that. It is something to at least be wary of.

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Originally Posted by Poseidon

Which you would say is making profit?

I have never liked PETA. Something has always felt off to me. And I really don't care for their tactics.

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No raising money helps there ultimate agenda but it is not their ultimate agenda.

PETA ultimate agenda is to eradicate pet ownership as a whole as well as animal farming and this takes money.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

No raising money helps there ultimate agenda but it is not their ultimate agenda.

PETA ultimate agenda is to eradicate pet ownership as a whole as well as animal farming and this takes money.

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I just want to full on rant every time I think about a person that wants to get rid of pets. I just don't understand why a person wants that. Aside from the rationalizations, why is their baseline getting rid of pets?

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Originally Posted by KMG

I don't think you have much experience killing snakes. Even with the head completely cut off they will wiggle and move for a long time after.

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I'm not talking about death thrashes or muscular impulses of a dying creature, I am saying that there are very obviously creatures who are not dead or dying but still alive, moving, trying to escape, and still in pain. Not to mention, many of the animals needed to be hit multiple times before they lay still and being bludgeoned to death is hardly a humane manner of dispatching an animal.

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Originally Posted by EarthlyMaiden

I have no doubt it's a brutal process, I just don't trust PETA.
They made the same 'cut up while still alive' claim about beef cattle in slaughterhouses. (When, if they actually observed a slaughterhouse, they'd find that it is extremely humane.) They made farmers out to be freaks who like to mutilate live animals, and they tend to categorize everyone who isn't a total vegan as some sort of complete monster. I've reached the point where I assume everything they say is either a complete lie, an uninformed statement or extremely exaggerated.

I was also commenting on how it would be difficult to remove skin from a wriggling, moving animal that could just as easily bite you if you need to get the skin off intact.

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Well, if you watched the video, the process they use to skin them is obviously able to work around potentially bitey animals.
But yeah, PETA is just a group of scummy folks in the end and they don't know what they are talking about more than half the time but a lot of the issues the pursue, albeit in the wrong manner, are usually real issues that exist and affect the well being of animals. Personally, I don't disagree with hunting and I don't entirely disagree with the meat/fur/skin industry but these are things that need conscious monitoring and there are areas that tend to result in cruelty towards creatures who generally have no ability to defend themselves. So essentially, assuming that everything they say being a extreme exaggeration isn't far off from the truth.

Seeing how I watched the same video, I'll counter your "obviously still alive" statement.

I saw nothing that made me think they were not brain dead and thrashing because that's what newly killed snakes do. They could remove the heads(and did in many cases) and there's still movement. With snakes, any movement looks close to the same as deliberate movement. When they wriggle side to side belly down, it's either them crawling along or just neurons firing...

It looks brutal. No doubt. They showed protected species being sold and traded, no doubt there either. But again, blows to the head of sufficient force destroys the brain. It's the same as a humane bolt through the skull of a cow, destroying the brain is what you are wanting to prevent inhumane levels of pain.

Most of the blows I saw looked like the guys were hitting multiple snakes in quick succession, not hitting one snake repeatedly. Could they have needed to hit one twice? Probably. If they are killing a hundred snakes and needed to hit one twice... do you think the guy making the video would choose the 99 that were killed instantly or choose the one they hit twice?

If you want to say that killing snakes for skins is bad... that's your opinion. Or that blows to the skull are brutal, probably true. But a blow that crushes the brain is generally a humane death, just grisly.

PETA is presenting 'causes' that seem ridiculous for a reason. Dressing women in cabbage leaves, protesting that fish should be called 'sea kittens'... it's not that PETA is stupid. No organization with THAT much money is stupid. They go hand-in-hand with HSUS to make the HSUS look reasonable as opposed to the "PETA nutjobs". They both have the same agenda and a lot of the same people served on both BOD.

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Originally Posted by MisterKyte

I'm not talking about death thrashes or muscular impulses of a dying creature, I am saying that there are very obviously creatures who are not dead or dying but still alive, moving, trying to escape, and still in pain. Not to mention, many of the animals needed to be hit multiple times before they lay still and being bludgeoned to death is hardly a humane manner of dispatching an animal.



Well, if you watched the video, the process they use to skin them is obviously able to work around potentially bitey animals.
But yeah, PETA is just a group of scummy folks in the end and they don't know what they are talking about more than half the time but a lot of the issues the pursue, albeit in the wrong manner, are usually real issues that exist and affect the well being of animals. Personally, I don't disagree with hunting and I don't entirely disagree with the meat/fur/skin industry but these are things that need conscious monitoring and there are areas that tend to result in cruelty towards creatures who generally have no ability to defend themselves. So essentially, assuming that everything they say being a extreme exaggeration isn't far off from the truth.

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Yes, they do report some real issues, but honestly, when they waste time complaining about Pokemon games or Mario's 'Tanuki Suit', I tend to look towards other sources, especially given their ghastly shelter data...

I don't know a lot about the fur or skin industry, my experience is with meat animals, but I can vouch for the meat industry's regulations. It's actually extremely difficult to manage the producers of some goods(whether it's a beef slaughterhouse or a snake skinner), so you have to put regulations where the product ends up.
For example, a company that buys meat from a slaughterhouse is required by law to reject product that doesn't fit humane guidelines. Basically, animals have to be killed immediately, animals cannot be in a state of stress before death(animals in extreme states of stress produce a very off-colored meat), they cannot use prods or electricity on animals...
But I digress, what PETA doesn't understand is that regulating animal industry isn't something they discovered.

PETA is a terrible organization. They're actually anti pets which is why they have such high euthanization rates. They believe ALL animals under the human ibfluence is better off dead.

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