Piebald question

So I have a pinstripe male who 3/4 years down the line I am considering breeding. Now I am really interested in piebalds. Would I only ever be able to get het pies from him when matched with a piebald female?

Yes. They would all be 100% het for Piebald
50% Normal het Pied
50% Pinstripe het Pied

Ah dang. That's a lot of waiting for piebald babies. :( Well thank you for the help!

You can pick up a pair of subadult/adult Het Piebalds for relatively cheap....you wait would be much shorter.

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Originally Posted by Exotic Ectotherms

You can pick up a pair of subadult/adult Het Piebalds for relatively cheap....you wait would be much shorter.

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I am pretty sure that would make the wait longer. Pin x Pied would get you to your Pin Pied faster than having a pair of het pieds and waiting to produce a female pied to breed back to the Pin.

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Originally Posted by joebad976

I am pretty sure that would make the wait longer. Pin x Pied would get you to your Pin Pied faster than having a pair of het pieds and waiting to produce a female pied to breed back to the Pin.

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I think it depends on if he is looking to make Piebalds or Pin Pieds... If he is looking to make Piebalds, it'd be quicker to pick up a het pied male and grow him up, vs breeding his two and waiting for a hatch of het pieds and then growing one up and breeding back. But if he is trying to make Pin Pieds, then yes it'd be smarter, less expensive, and/or quicker to produce his own with what he has :)

I'm sorry, I automatically assumed you were a 'he'.... But realize you could be a 'she' :D

Get your female Pied and get a sub adult female Het Pied. Breed your Pin to the Pied and then keep back a Pin Het Pied male, to breed to the Het Pied that will be an adult by this time. No inbreeding....you get your Pied Pin.

Dave

Yes you would, each egg would have 50% chance to yeld a Pinstripe Het Pied or a Het Pied

Keep a male Pin Het Pied breed it back to your female the following season and produce something like this ;)

http://stewartreptiles.com/wordpress...ipe_pied07.jpg

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

Get your female Pied and get a sub adult female Het Pied. Breed your Pin to the Pied and then keep back a Pin Het Pied male, to breed to the Het Pied that will be an adult by this time. No inbreeding....you get your Pied Pin.

Dave

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That would take 2-3 years minimum, If you're lucky enough to hit the odds... twice...

I'd just pick up a Pin 100% Het Pied male and breed him to an adult/sub adult pickup 0.1 Pied when she was up to size this fall. You only need to hit the odds once with the 1.0 Pin 100% Het Pied vs. twice trying to make your own Hets then hit a Pin Pied the third year after your 1.0 Pin 100% Het Pied is big enough to breed (if you hit one).

Yes.... More expensive upfront, but a quicker return on your investment if you produce a year earlier- which basically negates the difference you paid upfront in the first place.

Say you paid $1000 more for the combo of a 1.0 Pin 100% Het Pied and 0.1 Pied over making your own Hets with two 0.1 Pied/Het Pieds- then say in the two years it would take you to produce in your original Het making effort, you could have produced 2 clutches. Your investment difference is recouped in the first year and you still have a 0.1 Pied which is worth well more than a 100% Het Pied.

But she wants to start with the pinstripe she already has, right?

So yes, if you pair your pinstripe to a pied, and if you get lucky and hatch a pinstripe het pied male, then you can breed him back the next season. So that's two extra years of waiting, but maybe you'll get a pinstripe pied out of it. And pinstripe is one of the few pattern genes that really plays well with pied.

^ Of course, I didn't get lucky with my pastel x pied pairing last year, and both of the pastel 100% hets I hatched were GIRLS. The vet was so perplexed when he sexed them as female and I was DISAPPOINTED.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

But she wants to start with the pinstripe she already has, right?

So yes, if you pair your pinstripe to a pied, and if you get lucky and hatch a pinstripe het pied male, then you can breed him back the next season. So that's two extra years of waiting, but maybe you'll get a pinstripe pied out of it. And pinstripe is one of the few pattern genes that really plays well with pied.

^ Of course, I didn't get lucky with my pastel x pied pairing last year, and both of the pastel 100% hets I hatched were GIRLS. The vet was so perplexed when he sexed them as female and I was DISAPPOINTED.

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Your example is exactly why I purposed to maximize the odds and start with a known 1.0 Pin 100% Het Pied. You may not hit the odds on the Pastel 100% Het Pied this fall either? You could have bought a 1.0 Pastel 100% Het Pied last year for $200- $250 and been a year or more ahead. You only have to roll the dice once starting with the Het male that will get you there. More cash upfront, but a better chance of a quicker return on the investment.

True. I will add these to my notes. Thank you! Now I need to find out what project I can do with my pinstripe since I feel it'd be wasteful not to use him down the line. I tend to like light colored snakes.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

Your example is exactly why I purposed to maximize the odds and start with a known 1.0 Pin 100% Het Pied. You may not hit the odds on the Pastel 100% Het Pied this fall either? You could have bought a 1.0 Pastel 100% Het Pied last year for $200- $250 and been a year or more ahead. You only have to roll the dice once starting with the Het male that will get you there. More cash upfront, but a better chance of a quicker return on the investment.

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He's a fabulous pied, she's a fabulous pastel, and they make fabulous pastel het pieds. Pastel pied is a pretty low-level project for me. But I'm going for it at all, I want THOSE genes.