Piebald breeding- level of "whitness" question.

Hey guys! Does the amount of white matter when breeding piebalds to produce offspring?

Example, if i bred a high white male to a high white female, would that make more high white babies?
If i breed low white to low white= low white babies?
If i breed high white to low white = mid white babies?

Or do they just go all random?

Low white to low white= possible to produce high white?
High white to high white = possible to produce low white?

I really can't find the answer online so i'm asking here. Thanks guys! =)

The amount of white on the parent snakes does not effect the amount of white on the baby snakes. Two low whites could make high white offspring, or you could breed two high whites and get some low whites and high whites, it is all pretty random.

that was really fast! thank you sir =) I'm more of a mid- semi hi white person. I currently have what i think is the perfect mid-hi white female and am thinking of getting a cheap-ass low white one just to breed it. If it's completely random with any combination, i guess i'll save myself a few hundred dollars haha

Actually, I'm a lady lol! Glad I could help. Have you checked kingsnake classifieds for low white pieds? I also really like medium whites, I have one myself.

I love the low whites myself. :)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I love the low whites myself. :)

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Ditto :) If I want a white snake I'll have a BEL :oops: Give me that funky pattern any day :D

I love 'em all. I like the balance 50/50 pieds. I want to own every morph out there uugh lol!

I don't have one yet but I prefer low to medium I'll have whites when I get my bells.

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I agree low to med white pieds are my favorite. You really get the pattern effect from the gene and in the combos you see more of the coloration. The gene is becoming so common now that it really doesn't pay to spend more on the high whites, it doesn't effect your outcome. Its more of a preference thing.

What most people don't know is the white of a BEL is not as white as that of a pied. Pied white is much more clean and pure in my opinion.

Been out of the hobby for a few years now but getting back into again. Low to medium white pied's have always been my favorite. Nice to see the price on the pieds has come down a bit since I last checked. I'm actively looking for my 1st pied pickup now.

What's your question?

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Originally Posted by ToriTheBallPython

The amount of white on the parent snakes does not effect the amount of white on the baby snakes. Two low whites could make high white offspring, or you could breed two high whites and get some low whites and high whites, it is all pretty random.

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Everyone says this, and yet you go on kingsnake or fauna and see people bragging about their "high-white lines."

The truth is in the middle: Two low whites can indeed hatch a high white, and vice versa. But low whites will tend to hatch low whites, and high whites will have a better chance of hatching high whites (if that is in fact what you want). It's not "genetic" in the sense that morphs are genetic, in that you can't play the dominant and recessive numbers game with it. But you can line breed for tendencies, like people do with dogs or cats or horses, and coax that tendency to come out more often in successive generations.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

What most people don't know is the white of a BEL is not as white as that of a pied. Pied white is much more clean and pure in my opinion.

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That may be true but they're still all just white snakes in the end. Personally, I don't really care about how absolutely white the snake is and if I have a Piebald, I would want that snake to look like a Piebald! Seems to really defeat the purpose when it no longer has the pattern.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Everyone says this, and yet you go on kingsnake or fauna and see people bragging about their "high-white lines."

The truth is in the middle: Two low whites can indeed hatch a high white, and vice versa. But low whites will tend to hatch low whites, and high whites will have a better chance of hatching high whites (if that is in fact what you want). It's not "genetic" in the sense that morphs are genetic, in that you can't play the dominant and recessive numbers game with it. But you can line breed for tendencies, like people do with dogs or cats or horses, and coax that tendency to come out more often in successive generations.

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I think this is a great topic and the above response is very interesting. At the last repticon in Orlando, I was talking to a breeder (I believe Dale Porcher) regarding Panda Pieds and other Pied combos and he said he bred his high white male pied to a few normals and kept back his own female hets from that male. Then he bred the same male back to the daughters and produced high white animals. His belief was that you can line breed for high whites, just like you can line breed for reduced pattern clowns. I thought it was a very interesting concept. I am not sure it is 100% accurate until additional breeders state the same results but it sounds pretty right on.

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Originally Posted by MisterKyte

That may be true but they're still all just white snakes in the end. Personally, I don't really care about how absolutely white the snake is and if I have a Piebald, I would want that snake to look like a Piebald! Seems to really defeat the purpose when it no longer has the pattern.

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Which is why I agree with you. I love Pieds and don't care for BELs. I have them, but I have MANY Pieds. They are still my favorite morph.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Everyone says this, and yet you go on kingsnake or fauna and see people bragging about their "high-white lines."

The truth is in the middle: Two low whites can indeed hatch a high white, and vice versa. But low whites will tend to hatch low whites, and high whites will have a better chance of hatching high whites (if that is in fact what you want). It's not "genetic" in the sense that morphs are genetic, in that you can't play the dominant and recessive numbers game with it. But you can line breed for tendencies, like people do with dogs or cats or horses, and coax that tendency to come out more often in successive generations.

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Well said! Thanks.

After breeding Pieds for almost 10 yrs now, I am a firm believer that high white lines are....BS. It is random and breeders are just trying to get more $. Just my opinion and experience.