Bowl wrapping ?

Ok so when do females start to bowl wrap is it when they start to grow folicls or once they are pregnant my female spider has been bowl wrapping for the last 3 days and she has never come into contact with my male. She is 1200 grams, just wondering what this means i tried searching it but didn't find the awnsers i was looking for

Mine seem to start bowl wrapping when they first start building follicles. Then they tend to not wrap as much for a few weeks. Then after the male has locked and they're closer to ovy, they wrap again...

I'd say she's just about ready to put your male with her. Good luck!

When they are building follicle and almost all the way into ovulation the females usually seek cooler temps. After ovulation its a strong sign when they plop on the heat and hardly move.

Regards,

B

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

When they are building follicle and almost all the way into ovulation the females usually seek cooler temps. After ovulation its a strong sign when they plop on the heat and hardly move.

Regards,

B

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Ditto

If they have eggs they will stay on the warm side, pretty much non stop, which is why you don't want to keep your warm side temps too hot.

Every time I see your posts, I laugh at your username :8:... Sorry I can't be helpful :please:

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Originally Posted by ClarkT

Mine seem to start bowl wrapping when they first start building follicles. Then they tend to not wrap as much for a few weeks. Then after the male has locked and they're closer to ovy, they wrap again...

I'd say she's just about ready to put your male with her. Good luck!

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Thanks man i don't even know if my male is ready he's only 520 grams maybe ill wait a few more weeks then throw them together, i haven't even checked him for plugs i was planning on waiting till next season for her i just bought a 2000 gram yellowbelly i was hoping to take him to if he's ready i wanted my spider to go next year and keep her putting size on i would prefer her to be closer to 2000 grams .

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Every time I see your posts, I laugh at your username :8:... Sorry I can't be helpful :please:

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Yeah when i set up my user name everything i thought up was taken and i was getting pissed so i picked it from one of my favorit movies and it was free imagine that. I'm just glad that people still take my seriously

How old is your spider? I had a 3 yr. old albino lay 5 perfect eggs for me last year. She was right around 740 grams after laying them. Her follicles were 22mm when she was 950 grams. She ate well, so I paired her once. She got up to about 1200 grams before laying. I know lots of people here don't like to hear that, but she did great. In fact, now she's 1350 grams after laying last August. She's on her way to being 1600+ grams by the time she's looking at breeding this go around.

Your male could very well be ready to go. That doesn't mean he will, though. But lots of males are ready at 400+ grams. Some still won't breed even when they're 700+ grams and years old... Maybe they're looking for the best looking morph female to spend their sperm on...lol.

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How old is your spider? I had a 3 yr. old albino lay 5 perfect eggs for me last year. She was right around 740 grams after laying them. Her follicles were 22mm when she was 950 grams. She ate well, so I paired her once. She got up to about 1200 grams before laying. I know lots of people here don't like to hear that, but she did great. In fact, now she's 1350 grams after laying last August. She's on her way to being 1600+ grams by the time she's looking at breeding this go around.

Your male could very well be ready to go. That doesn't mean he will, though. But lots of males are ready at 400+ grams. Some still won't breed even when they're 700+ grams and years old... Maybe they're looking for the best looking morph female to spend their sperm on...lol.

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She's only a year old (late 2011) thats y i was gunna hold off not trying to sound like an ass but i worry more about the health of my animals than trying to push them to breed. once my yellowbelly settles i'll throw my male in with her and hope for a pastel lesser yellowbelly or two this year

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Yeah when i set up my user name everything i thought up was taken and i was getting pissed so i picked it from one of my favorit movies and it was free imagine that. I'm just glad that people still take my seriously

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Honestly I just assumed you had albino hognoses or something, and this was some kind of euphamism.

Yeah, if she's only just over a year, she's got a while til she'll breed anyway. There was one rarity I read about at this site where a spider laid eggs right about the time she was 2 years from her hatch date, but that's certainly the exception to the rule. My younger females have bowl wrapped, too, but I don't bother pairing a male with them..

The impression that I got from the intial post was that the female ball is pregnate (gravid) as soon as they lock up. I am not sure if you know, but a female is not technically pregnate (gravid) until ovulation. Even if the female has not bred they still could develope follicles. So if you do not place a male with her this season and she has never bred, then she will not ovulate. They usually bowl wrap while building follicles up to ovulation. The thing that concerns me is that she is 1200 grams. I personally would not breed a 1200 gram female because alot of times they can not regain weight for the next season, or it they give you a really small clutch. So I would wait for her to hit 1500 or more. I don't want to make it sound like you don't know anything. Just what it sounded like to me. HAPPY BREEDING!! :)

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The impression that I got from the intial post was that the female ball is pregnate (gravid) as soon as they lock up. I am not sure if you know, but a female is not technically pregnate (gravid) until ovulation. Even if the female has not bred they still could develope follicles. So if you do not place a male with her this season and she has never bred, then she will not ovulate. They usually bowl wrap while building follicles up to ovulation. The thing that concerns me is that she is 1200 grams. I personally would not breed a 1200 gram female because alot of times they can not regain weight for the next season, or it they give you a really small clutch. So I would wait for her to hit 1500 or more. I don't want to make it sound like you don't know anything. Just what it sounded like to me. HAPPY BREEDING!! :)

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Yeah you should go back and reread the post i never said gravid i said developing follicles, and i was saying she has never been with my male to say i have not and will not be breeding her this year. It was more of a question as to if females will do this behavior during the season if they aren't ready.

I believe they can start exhibiting developing behavior before being paired with a male.

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The thing that concerns me is that she is 1200 grams. I personally would not breed a 1200 gram female because alot of times they can not regain weight for the next season, or it they give you a really small clutch. So I would wait for her to hit 1500 or more.

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I disagree with this. You have to look at the weight to length ratio of the snake and overall body condition. Not just weight alone.
You can safely breed a 1200 gram female as long as she has good body condition.
Some females are small and just never grow any larger. They can still throw average sized clutches successfully.
Some females who are 1500+ grams are extremely long and skinny, which is not an appropriate breeding body condition in my opinion.
Some 1200 gram females are short and have good fat reserves, which is a better breeding candidate than a long skinny 1900 gram female.

I'm currently breeding a girl under 1500 grams, but shes nice and chunky. She has an extremely good body condition.
I also have an 1800 gram girl, who I will not breed. She is really long, skinny, and hardly has any fat reserves. Not a good body condition for a breeding female imo.

Bowl wrapping is usually done well before a male enters a females lair, if you don't enter a male "usually" nothing more than bowl wrapping will take place.

I start breeding all of the females I raise up at 17+ months old and 1200+ grams and they go on the next year to be bigger and throw more eggs the second go round.
From my experience, females that start breeding around 17 months old tend to throw eggs around 24 months old, if they give you eggs their first season.
As Nikki says, in general, a younger smaller female with good fat reserves will do better than a long slender female.

This hobby is full of all kinds of rumors, sometimes weeding out the "BS" can be difficult, but if one persists it's do-able.