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Throwing up his food?

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  • 01-06-2013, 10:38 AM
    snoop22ca
    Throwing up his food?
    So I fed my BP Friday night and he ate it with no problems. He ate a f/t mouse, it was the first time he ate since I got him Christmas Eve. I went down this morning and he threw up the mouse he at Friday. He is approx 5 months old

    Any advice on to why? His hot side is 90ish and the cold side is 80ish. Also he is shedding now.

    Could it be stress? The thermometer inside his crate fell and probably scared him? Maybe the cat scared him

    I was going to change his bedding today but I should probably wait now right?

    And when should I try to feed him again?

    Thanks
  • 01-06-2013, 11:13 AM
    NormanSnake
    Did you handle him after he ate? Regurge is usually caused by stress but it could be something else. Is there any way your cat can get up to the side of his cage and 'play' with him? This may have triggered it. I think you should hold of on changing his bedding until after he sheds. As a rule of thumb you don't want to mess with them much when they're shedding: no handling, I'd keep the cat away from his cage, and don't get into his cage unless it's to change the water or spot clean. Chances are he won't eat while shedding anyways. Then change his bedding after he sheds. Then after that I'd continue to leave him alone for a couple days. Then try feeding him again, and after you get him to eat, continue to leave him be for a couple days to let him digest his food. As far as regurge, the biggest thing is to make sure that after your little guy eats, he is comfortable and relaxed for a couple days.

    I wouldn't worry too much about it since he's still adjusting to his new home. It happens to everybody and it's bound to happen sometime. He will be fine for up to a couple months without eating, but if it becomes a problem every time you feed him it is definitely important to figure out what the problem is.

    ALSO: make sure your humidity is up around 70% and that will help him loads with the shedding.
  • 01-06-2013, 11:40 AM
    ballpythonluvr
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    DO NOT attempt to feed that snake for two weeks now. His stomach needs a chance to settle down. Feeding to soon will just lead to another regurge.
  • 01-06-2013, 11:48 AM
    snoop22ca
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Thanks, I think it was stress, the cat can get close to his cage and i'm making her stay away now.

    I'm having trouble keeping humidity high as well.

    He hasn't eaten for a while now and when he did he threw up. How long can a 5 month old go without eating and still be healthy?
  • 01-06-2013, 11:50 AM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Do not feed your BP for at least two weeks.

    Now what you need to established is the possible reason for the regurge.

    Here are the possibility

    Stress (animal being handled too soon after his meal)

    Low temps (Not allowing proper digestion)

    Prey items (Not being properly thawed, slightly frozen or a bad batch.

    Internal parasites.

    Check your husbandry, make sure you give at least your animal 2 days before handling after a meal , and if it happens again next time you feed I would consider getting rid of your f/t and also having a fecal done.
  • 01-06-2013, 11:59 AM
    ewaldrep
    I have also read a couple of posts where shedding was difficult because of having just eaten so it may be related to that as well but I would follow the advice you get here. My new bp regurged and I waited 14 days to feed her again, then 10, then 7 and now she is doing great. I would get the husbandry right because it is also possible to develop an RI with improper conditions and that will just another layer of unpleasantness for you and your pet. Good luck.
  • 01-06-2013, 12:05 PM
    snoop22ca
    Thanks, the temps are good but the humidity is a struggle to keep up

    So if I wait a couple of weeks it will be almost a month between feedings, is that too much for a 5 month old?
  • 01-06-2013, 12:11 PM
    Stewart_Reptiles
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snoop22ca View Post
    Thanks, the temps are good but the humidity is a struggle to keep up

    So if I wait a couple of weeks it will be almost a month between feedings, is that too much for a 5 month old?

    BP can go months without food so waiting 2 weeks between feeding will not hurt.
  • 01-06-2013, 12:14 PM
    ewaldrep
    not after a regurge, the acids that come back up do a lot of damage to the snakes throat, just like when a person throws up and it is sore. Plus it takes longer for their system to get back to normal so it doesn't matter if it is a long time because he won't be able to handle it too soon and could develop "regurge syndrome" that could eventually lead to death.

    I am not sure what you mean by crate for an enclosure so more details on what he is housed in may help others make suggestions to get his humidity situated
  • 01-06-2013, 12:25 PM
    snoop22ca
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    I didn't mean crate, not sure why I said that, he's in a glass 20 gallon
  • 01-06-2013, 12:52 PM
    NormanSnake
    If you have a screen top, covering part of the top of the enclosure can help with humidity. I cover about 75% of my screen top with a damp towel.
  • 01-06-2013, 12:54 PM
    snoop22ca
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Thanks but when I did that my temp dropped a fair bit, do you use a heat matt and a lamp?
  • 01-06-2013, 03:09 PM
    dr del
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Hi,

    What are you using to read the temps and where is it?

    I'm just thinking of the line about the thermometer falling.


    dr del
  • 01-06-2013, 03:39 PM
    snoop22ca
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Well I have two, one digital one with the probe and the other one is one you stick on to the glass. The one that sticks on was on the substrate this morning when I checked on the snake, so maybe it falling scared the snake?
  • 01-06-2013, 06:51 PM
    searcyc1
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Throw the thermometer that sticks on the glass away. Those just measure the temperature of the glass. I would also recommend a heat gun to measure surface temps. I just got the temp gun 2 for $35 and its a lot of fun.
  • 01-06-2013, 07:09 PM
    snoop22ca
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by searcyc1 View Post
    Throw the thermometer that sticks on the glass away. Those just measure the temperature of the glass. I would also recommend a heat gun to measure surface temps. I just got the temp gun 2 for $35 and its a lot of fun.

    Okay, thanks for the advice. I just laid it on top of the substrate for now.
  • 01-06-2013, 08:38 PM
    NormanSnake
    I just have a UTH on a thermostat. If the temp drops when the towel goes over it the thermostat takes care of it; Although, I'm not sure why covering the cage would make the temps drop.
  • 01-09-2013, 07:57 AM
    snoop22ca
    He threw up last Friday Jan 4th and is now cruising around looking for food, it was suggested waiting for 2 weeks(Jan 18) before feeding again, I'm worried waiting two weeks going to be too long to wait? He is only 4 or 5 months and hasn't eaten in a month, well besides the time he threw it up.

    Thanks
  • 01-09-2013, 08:53 AM
    dr del
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Hi,

    Definitely wait.

    If you feed before the gut bacteria have recovered enough he will likely throw up again making the problem even worse.

    He'll be fine for the two weeks - just keep monitoring his weight if you are worried.


    dr del
  • 01-09-2013, 06:28 PM
    snoop22ca
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    Hi,

    Definitely wait.

    If you feed before the gut bacteria have recovered enough he will likely throw up again making the problem even worse.

    He'll be fine for the two weeks - just keep monitoring his weight if you are worried.


    dr del

    Okay, thank you.
  • 01-09-2013, 08:08 PM
    ballpythonboy
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    has he been acting strange in any other way he may have parisites
  • 01-09-2013, 09:14 PM
    snoop22ca
    Re: Throwing up his food?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ballpythonboy View Post
    has he been acting strange in any other way he may have parisites

    No, he seems good, he is in his hide most of the day and comes out to explore for a bit.

    What would other symptoms of parasites be?

    Thanks
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