Enchi opinions

I wanted to get some opinions here on two Enchi's I'm looking at. I have what I consider to be a beautiful butter female that was sold to me as a poss het hypo. I originally had no intentions of trying to prove out the hypo, but I came across a couple of Enchi het hypo males that are making me reconsider. I wanted to post here for opinions on these guys. These are both 2012 male Enchi 100% het hypos. Let me know what you guys think... The pics are both just a couple of cell phone snaps the breeder sent to me. They had just been fed the day before, so he only sent me these two snaps so far.

Male #1 -

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...etghost001.jpg

Male #2 -

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28...etghost002.jpg

I *love* the first one! I'd jump on him if I could :D

Good color I like more banding

Neither of them jump out at me.

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I really like the blushing on the first guy, although they could both be brighter.

They have nice patterns, but not enough orange riding up the sides...check out Reptmart.com, they have some sweet enchis het ghost available!

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Originally Posted by RobNJ

They have nice patterns, but not enough orange riding up the sides...check out Reptmart.com, they have some sweet enchis het ghost available!

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Do you know them personally or have pics of the individual animals? I just checked out their site and they have the same pic shown for all listed Enchi het Hypos. I'm still a noob when it comes to Enchis, so I'm looking for as many pics and examples as I can find.

I've gotten a few animals from them, including my enchi hypo and enchi het hypo...Mark and Kim Bell are great. Just fill out their contact form on the website and ask for pics/info.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Do you know them personally or have pics of the individual animals? I just checked out their site and they have the same pic shown for all listed Enchi het Hypos. I'm still a noob when it comes to Enchis, so I'm looking for as many pics and examples as I can find.

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I think they're the Bells. But I'm not quite sure.

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Here is a pic of my enchi, I think he's hot stuff. :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/12/a7u8umyz.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/12/e5uhu2yg.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/12/u2anu3ag.jpg

I need to get some new pictures of him. Roseyreps and h00blah have some smokin enchi stuff. They should post up for you.

Here, check this out-

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1896206

Dang it, why didn't link work??

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Ok trying again..

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1896206

Here's a more current pic, he is getting lighter.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/12/vaqevuse.jpg
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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Neither of them jump out at me.

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Exactly my thought :gj:.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Here, check this out-

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1896206

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Fixed the link :P. You put a space when pasting the link, so it didn't auto-url. That link is extremely helpful. I knew enchis were quite variable, but that thread has some amazing examples of how variable they can be. Find one you like, and look for an enchi that has all of most of the traits that appeal the most to you :gj:. On page 2, I showed pics of when I first got my enchi to what she looked like at the time of the thread :gj:.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Here is a pic of my enchi, I think he's hot stuff. :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/12/a7u8umyz.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/12/e5uhu2yg.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/12/u2anu3ag.jpg

I need to get some new pictures of him. Roseyreps and h00blah have some smokin enchi stuff. They should post up for you.

Here, check this out-

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1896206

Dang it, why didn't link work??

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Yours is a really nice, bright example of Enchis. I've seen Hooblah's and RoseyReps threads and they both have stellar examples of the morph as well. Unfortunately, not all Enchi's can be "The nicest Enchi I've ever seen". I'm looking at the banding and blushing on these guys, and taking into account that they are cell phone pics. I was leaning toward the second one personally because his pattern looks cleaner, with fewer visible spots. Can anyone who voted for #1 tell me why they prefer #1 over #2?

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Yours is a really nice, bright example of Enchis. I've seen Hooblah's and RoseyReps threads and they both have stellar examples of the morph as well. Unfortunately, not all Enchi's can be "The nicest Enchi I've ever seen". I'm looking at the banding and blushing on these guys, and taking into account that they are cell phone pics. I was leaning toward the second one personally because his pattern looks cleaner, with fewer visible spots. Can anyone who voted for #1 tell me why they prefer #1 over #2?

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Are you looking for an enchi het ghost? There are a few guidelines that I consider since I've been looking at enchi threads and ads. I like seeing the contrast between the lower yellow half and the bronze / copper tones on the upper half of the side of the body. The higher the yellow the hotter they look. Pattern is another thing, but without nice color, the pattern doesn't do as much for me. Zero dots is cool, but as you can see from the enchi that I posted pics of, I'd sacrifice a few dots to get that insane contrast and glowing orange. Hot color - 95% hot pattern, yet it still blows me away :gj:.

If you go to page 2 of that enchi thread that ms doolittle posted, you can see the first enchi doesn't have such a high contrast, but she's got great pattern, nice red blushing on her back, and overall, a nice balance of dark/light colors so she looks gold.

That enchi het pied didn't have a high contrast, but he had some nice bright gold colors and very very very few dots. I think if you count them, there were 3 dots :P.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Are you looking for an enchi het ghost? There are a few guidelines that I consider since I've been looking at enchi threads and ads. I like seeing the contrast between the lower yellow half and the bronze / copper tones on the upper half of the side of the body. The higher the yellow the hotter they look. Pattern is another thing, but without nice color, the pattern doesn't do as much for me. Zero dots is cool, but as you can see from the enchi that I posted pics of, I'd sacrifice a few dots to get that insane contrast and glowing orange. Hot color - 95% hot pattern, yet it still blows me away :gj:.

If you go to page 2 of that enchi thread that ms doolittle posted, you can see the first enchi doesn't have such a high contrast, but she's got great pattern, nice red blushing on her back, and overall, a nice balance of dark/light colors so she looks gold.

That enchi het pied didn't have a high contrast, but he had some nice bright gold colors and very very very few dots. I think if you count them, there were 3 dots :P.

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I wasn't looking for an enchi het ghost really, but as I've started seeing more and more enchi combos, I thought about it. My butter was sold to me as poss het ghost, so I thought that if I had a male enchi 100% het ghost, I could go for butter enchis and cross my fingers for hypo butter enchis if the butter proves. But, I also have a ghost female that has a unique look to her IMO, so I figured a male 100% het would be good to have for her for next year too.

I'll have to see if I can get some pics of the Enchi male I brought home from Hamburg on 12/1 taken and posted tonight, if he's not in shed, so I can post them for some opinions too.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

I wasn't looking for an enchi het ghost really, but as I've started seeing more and more enchi combos, I thought about it. My butter was sold to me as poss het ghost, so I thought that if I had a male enchi 100% het ghost, I could go for butter enchis and cross my fingers for hypo butter enchis if the butter proves. But, I also have a ghost female that has a unique look to her IMO, so I figured a male 100% het would be good to have for her for next year too.

I'll have to see if I can get some pics of the Enchi male I brought home from Hamburg on 12/1 taken and posted tonight, if he's not in shed, so I can post them for some opinions too.

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Get an enchi ghost then :gj:.
Tim aka lyfoti05 (http://ball-pythons.net/forums/membe...12848-lyfoti05) owns a smokin hot enchi hypo, and could help you out :gj:. He's got a good eye for hypo stuff :P.

Can't wait to see your enchi Ink :gj:!!

The brighter the yellow the nicer the enchi.
Banding is nice, no spots even better, but to be a nice enchi IMO it should scream yellow on the sides.

Mine is a bit darker up top due to being a black back also, but super bright yellow too.
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/100_1912.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/100_1900.jpg

Personally neither of those enchi's stand out to me, but that might be the pics not showing them off well.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Get an enchi ghost then :gj:.
Tim aka lyfoti05 (http://ball-pythons.net/forums/membe...12848-lyfoti05) owns a smokin hot enchi hypo, and could help you out :gj:. He's got a good eye for hypo stuff :P.

Can't wait to see your enchi Ink :gj:!!

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Thanks Travis!

Great enchis everyone!

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...94319580_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...25272259_n.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...20683744_n.jpg

Here's my guy at around 500g. What I love about him is the color that the hypo brings out and his banding. When I thought about adding an enchi hypo to my hypo projects, I thought about 1) the color and 2) trying to find a relatively clean enchi with tons of banding. I like the blushing the two enchis you posted have on their backs (and I like how clean #2 is), but I'd want more of the "enchi yellow." As others have also said, the yellow should ride up the sides and just scream at you, "I'M AN ENCHI!!!" It's also possible the pics aren't showing the colors of those enchis off as well as they should. In my opinion, I'd hold off for the moment and see what else is out there.

Another thing I'd consider is whether you want an enchi het hypo male or if you want to save up and go with an enchi hypo. You mentioned you have a female butter PH hypo and a female hypo, so if it were me personally, I'd save for the enchi hypo if you were really looking to dive into hypo projects. There are a few reasons for this.

1) You'll have a better chance of proving the butter PH hypo is in fact het hypo, and the worst case scenario is that you produce all animals that are guaranteed het hypo (enchi butters het hypo would be sweet!).

2)You can also breed the enchi hypo to your hypo female and produce at least hypos, and possibly a lot of gorgeous enchi hypos. Female enchi hypos are like gold in my opinion.

3) You can breed the enchi hypo to any other animal in your collection (the fire female for instance) and produce powerful combos that are also het hypo.

It all depends on how invested you want to be with the hypo gene, but that's just my two cents on that. I can't wait to see the photos of the enchi you have in your collection. :D

I would pass but IF you really wanted one then #2 might get my vote

I have to agree, I would pass on both as well.

Thanks everyone for the opinions. Since this wasn't really something I was specifically looking for, and the fact that I already bought a male enchi this month, I'm going to pass on these guys for now. I think Travis and Tim convinced me to just save my pennies and look for a really nice enchi hypo to try to prove the butter, and to make some smokin' hypo enchis with my female ghost.

Thanks guys...

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Thanks everyone for the opinions. Since this wasn't really something I was specifically looking for, and the fact that I already bought a male enchi this month, I'm going to pass on these guys for now. I think Travis and Tim convinced me to just save my pennies and look for a really nice enchi hypo to try to prove the butter, and to make some smokin' hypo enchis with my female ghost.

Thanks guys...

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Good choice :gj::gj:!! I can't wait to see the hypo enchi you pick up :bow:!! It's really hard to find an UGLY hypo enchi, they all glow and get even hotter with size :P!

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Thanks everyone for the opinions. Since this wasn't really something I was specifically looking for, and the fact that I already bought a male enchi this month, I'm going to pass on these guys for now. I think Travis and Tim convinced me to just save my pennies and look for a really nice enchi hypo to try to prove the butter, and to make some smokin' hypo enchis with my female ghost.

Thanks guys...

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Woohoo, go hypo stuff! :gj:

You won't regret that decision! It's definitely an amazing two gene combo.

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Good choice :gj::gj:!! I can't wait to see the hypo enchi you pick up :bow:!! It's really hard to find an UGLY hypo enchi, they all glow and get even hotter with size :P!

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I definitely agree with everything you said Travis. They glow so much that I use mine for lighting and have saved money on the electricity bill each month. :8::rofl: