Interesting paradox question!!!!!!

To start of I dont know if this should be here or in general herp talk but im more interested in this question pertaining to ball pythons, but any snake owner please chime in!!!!!!



Question is:


Every paradox I have seen appears to be a normal mixed w something else (paradox albino, paradox spider, you get the point. Has anyone ever produced or seen a pic of a morph/morph paradox such as a spider w another morph say lesser paradox on it or anything like that? Not any 2 morphs in particular but any morph that is paradoxed by another morph. Pics etc appreciated!!!!!!!!!!


Let the discussion begin

Here is a spinnerblast with serious paradoxing(?)

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/spinner-blast/ (2nd pic)

I dont understand what you mean by normal mixed with something else????

2nd part of the question would be if it has been made or is possible which i see no reason why it could not be, WHAT WOULD ITS GENETICS BE????

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What i mean is for instance a spider w a lessers markings and color as a paradox

Paradox Spider Pied:

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...radoxSpied.jpg

Picture by Steve Roussis, normal eye.
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...adoxSpied2.jpg

Picture by Steve Roussis, spider eye.
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...adoxSpied1.jpg

nice david! this is my only paradox ive ever hatched out
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...s/DSC00580.jpg
its not a morph patch but i still wanted to share lol

All paradoxes are welcome gorgeous each and everyone o them

I think WOBP has a paradox albino pied also. Its my favorite so far!

Interesting question. You are right, all of the paradox "spots"I've seen are wild type and never another gene the snake may carry. Like a BEL with a mojo patterned paradox.

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Is this what you are looking for?

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=940627

Paradox Pewter Pied I produced this year.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF3924.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/DSCF3923.jpg

The face is split down the middle.

One theory is that paradox snakes are chimeras; combinations of siblings that merged into one snake early on (sort of the opposite of identical twins). When all the siblings are normal it would be hard to notice a combination of two normal siblings because both parts would look the same. But once we started to have clutches were some of the siblings where morphs and some were normals you could see the morphs/normal combo animals. Now that we are to the point of having clutches were some siblings are one morph and others are a different morph we should start seeing more morph/morphs paradox snakes.

That BEL IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. The thing with her is we know her genetics. What if a pastel and spider spilt a snake right down the middle would she throw both pastel and spider????

IF (not sure it's been proven) the theory that paradox balls are chimeras is true then the genetics would depend on which sibling contributed the reproductive organs. Could even have an ovary from each I suppose and produce both morphs.

A very common paradox in the BP world where 'normal' genetics are not shown or represented, would be the super cinnamon paradox. The pattern showing on these homozygous snakes are actually that of a heterozygous form.

http://sloanreptiles.net/blog/wp-con.../08/blog61.jpg

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

IF (not sure it's been proven) the theory that paradox balls are chimeras is true then the genetics would depend on which sibling contributed the reproductive organs. Could even have an ovary from each I suppose and produce both morphs.

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What about paradox albinos produced by albino x albino?

There is a really good article in a fairly recent Reptiles Magazine, forget which exact issue. Sorry. We have a few paradox BPs that look really cool. You may want to check out Will Byrd's website, Extraordinary Ectotherms, he does a LOT of work with the paradox patterns.

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What about paradox albinos produced by albino x albino?

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If that happens must be something else going on. The paradox albinos have dark black areas, not so much normal, right?

Here is my pastel calico paradox

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/i...924_214759.jpg

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

If that happens must be something else going on. The paradox albinos have dark black areas, not so much normal, right?

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I'll have to look closer and see. You may be right.