ID this ball for a noob please?

Hi guys, im looking into buying this snake and im a total noob. Would anyone be kind enough to confirm the morph for me please. Apologies for poor pics- they were supplied by seller.

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/...psef86818d.jpghttp://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/...psfc49d3bf.jpg

Looks like a Cinnamon to me.

Thanks for your reply mate! Thats what its advertised as, though the seller doesn't seem to clued up(like me!!) so i thought i'd double check.

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Originally Posted by dprballs

Thanks for your reply mate! Thats what its advertised as, though the seller doesn't seem to clued up(like me!!) so i thought i'd double check.

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No worries.
It's always good to double check.

I see an example of the finest morph in the industry ;)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I see an example of the finest morph in the industry ;)

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There is no bee or enchi there....... I only see cinnamon ;)

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

There is no bee or enchi there....... I only see cinnamon ;)

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HAHAHAHA youre so funny...





NOT :p

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

HAHAHAHA youre so funny...

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I thought so, :) laughing right now as I type :D



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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

I thought so. Laughing right now as I type :D



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They need a "giving the finger" emoticon. Pretend this isnt his thumb! :gj: lmao!!!

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

They need a "giving the finger" emoticon. Pretend this isnt his thumb! :gj: lmao!!!

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Sorry, making me laugh harder....ahahahaha

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Thanks guys. I have the John Berry book Designer morphs (i dunno if u guys have that in the US as i think john is based over here. Its basically a comprhensive list with pictures of boa and ball morphs) and it says cinamon is a tawny brown snake, with a clear belly with interconnected side markings and most have a degree of dorsal striping which is great and a real help. I wonder if theres a website that helps with morph identification.

What im imaging is a cinny next to a normal say with the different parts highlighted. I know im asking a bit much, but you never know!!

World of ball pythons. Then look at the morph list. That has pictures of morphs, with description. I will try to go find a link.

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Mike and MrDooLittle always make me laugh and smile :)


1.0 Pewter (Dexter), 1.0 Butter Het OG (Butters), 0.1 Pinstripe (Honey), 0.1 Lesser (Pepper), 0.1 Butter Het OG (Aurora), 0.1 Spider Het OG (Betsy), 0.1 Mojave (Maya)
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http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

I think I did it! Thanks Mike :p

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Originally Posted by dprballs

What im imaging is a cinny next to a normal say with the different parts highlighted. I know im asking a bit much, but you never know!!

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Like this?
Cinni's:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/azu7yhet.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/ate7a7ed.jpg

Normal:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/a9adapag.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/umuresa8.jpg

If these arent good enough i can get a pic of them literally right next to eachother haha :)

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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001

Mike and MrDooLittle always make me laugh and smile :)


1.0 Pewter (Dexter), 1.0 Butter Het OG (Butters), 0.1 Pinstripe (Honey), 0.1 Lesser (Pepper), 0.1 Butter Het OG (Aurora), 0.1 Spider Het OG (Betsy), 0.1 Mojave (Maya)
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I know doolittle talks about her balls alot but she has a daughter and a hubby so she's definetly a she! :rofl:

What she looks like is still a mystery though... *cough cough* female keepers thread *cough cough* :D ;)

Lol, last time I checked, yes, I was female. :p

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Like this?
Cinni's:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/azu7yhet.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/ate7a7ed.jpg

Normal:
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/a9adapag.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/umuresa8.jpg

If these arent good enough i can get a pic of them literally right next to eachother haha :)

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Thanks thats great buddy. People on here really are helpful! :) Although i would have said the first two are normal and the second two cinny :S

the first 'cinny doesnt seem to have interconnected side markings although the 2nd one does.

and the first normal looks particularly dark, w/out connected markings, but the second one does definately have them??

sorry if ive offended u btw im sure ur snakes are what you say im just trying to learn :confusd:

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Originally Posted by dprballs

Thanks thats great buddy. People on here really are helpful! :) Although i would have said the first two are normal and the second two cinny :S

the first 'cinny doesnt seem to have interconnected side markings although the 2nd one does.

and the first normal looks particularly dark, w/out connected markings, but the second one does definately have them??

sorry if ive offended u btw im sure ur snakes are what you say im just trying to learn :confusd:

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Nah you didnt offend me at all man!

The first pic is of my cinny girl. Her back is much more blushed and she has alot more donuts. Her donuts dont really connect much. The second is my cinny male. He has partially striping and his alien heads connect alot near the end of his tail. Its all variety within the morph, but theyre both still cinnis. I kinda like the variety though once i start breeding im going to try and breed for cinnis with clean backs and connected alien heads or striped back with lots of donuts. I cant wait to see what kind of babies they throw for me! :D

The normal pics are both the same snake snake lol. In your defence she is a dark normal imo. Here is a few shots of my step brothers snake. She is a normal too but much lighter. I cant wait to mix the fire gene in with her! :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/ade7y2u2.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/azy5ated.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/pu2u3a8u.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Nah you didnt offend me at all man!

The first pic is of my cinny girl. Her back is much more blushed and she has alot more donuts. Her donuts dont really connect much. The second is my cinny male. He has partially striping and his alien heads connect alot near the end of his tail. Its all variety within the morph, but theyre both still cinnis. I kinda like the variety though once i start breeding im going to try and breed for cinnis with clean backs and connected alien heads or striped back with lots of donuts. I cant wait to see what kind of babies they throw for me! :D

The normal pics are both the same snake snake lol. In your defence she is a dark normal imo. Here is a few shots of my step brothers snake. She is a normal too but much lighter. I cant wait to mix the fire gene in with her! :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/ade7y2u2.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/azy5ated.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/pu2u3a8u.jpg

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Thanks for all this help its all becoming clearer now, the way you described the alien heads and donuts has helped me a great deal!! never heard those terms before cheers buddy

sorry i did mean to put DrDooLittle... my phone auto corrected i guess and I didn't notice... I know that DooLittle is a she ;P

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Originally Posted by dprballs

Thanks guys. I have the John Berry book Designer morphs (i dunno if u guys have that in the US as i think john is based over here. Its basically a comprhensive list with pictures of boa and ball morphs) and it says cinamon is a tawny brown snake, with a clear belly with interconnected side markings and most have a degree of dorsal striping which is great and a real help. I wonder if theres a website that helps with morph identification.

What im imaging is a cinny next to a normal say with the different parts highlighted. I know im asking a bit much, but you never know!!

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Originally Posted by dprballs

Thanks for all this help its all becoming clearer now, the way you described the alien heads and donuts has helped me a great deal!! never heard those terms before cheers buddy

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Nah you didnt offend me at all man!

The first pic is of my cinny girl. Her back is much more blushed and she has alot more donuts. Her donuts dont really connect much. The second is my cinny male. He has partially striping and his alien heads connect alot near the end of his tail. Its all variety within the morph, but theyre both still cinnis. I kinda like the variety though once i start breeding im going to try and breed for cinnis with clean backs and connected alien heads or striped back with lots of donuts. I cant wait to see what kind of babies they throw for me! :D

The normal pics are both the same snake snake lol. In your defence she is a dark normal imo. Here is a few shots of my step brothers snake. She is a normal too but much lighter. I cant wait to mix the fire gene in with her! :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/ade7y2u2.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/azy5ated.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/pu2u3a8u.jpg

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Are alien heads / donuts typical of cinnys? what would be considered a perfect cinny? u say u like clean back connected alien heads, would 1 like that be worth more/be more deisrable than 1 with donuts and a lot of dorsal striping or is it just preference??

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Originally Posted by dprballs

Are alien heads / donuts typical of cinnys? what would be considered a perfect cinny? u say u like clean back connected alien heads, would 1 like that be worth more/be more deisrable than 1 with donuts and a lot of dorsal striping or is it just preference??

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Most balls have alien heads. The donut shaped or connecting alien heads are typical to cinni's tho. I think its really personal preference. The morph varies a bit. Alot of morphs vary but can still be considered good examples of the morph. My preference is blushed back with connecting heads. But i think both of mine are still good examples of the morph. Foschi Exotic Serpents has some hot black back cinni's. I believe hers are genetic. I hope my girls clean back can be proven genetic too.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I hope my girls clean back can be proven genetic too.

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and this would then be considered a new line of cinnamon i presume?