All of these het questions.....

All of these het question lately got me thinking. In that thinking I managed to get myself confused. Lets take a spider het albino, he would be considered a 2 banger right? Since he has his spider gene and his het for albino gene. Now would an albino spider be a 3 banger since it takes two of the het genes to make the visual. I'm kinda think of it like a super form which they count each half. OR would the spider het albino be a 1.5 banger and the albino spider be the 2 banger? See how I got myself confused?

Lol I personally dont count het as any bang.

well i think depends on what each person thinks of as a "banger", theres not really a definition for it lol.

Personally if I were to say it, I'd count spider het albino as 2 and albino spider as 3.

Ok then I will replace "banger" with gene. I thought banger was a pretty common term, maybe I just hear it a lot in the same place.

i wouldnt count hets for me an albino is one spider is one so together 2 gene animal

I think most people only do the gene count for what is visual. I think it could start getting messy if "hets" and "possible hets" are counted as genetic expressions, especially for sales purposes. Maybe I'm wrong?

I definitely think hets count as one and visuals count as 2 with regards to recessives. Just the same as we view all of the Incomplete Dom. genes.

And for those who say they don't count hets, when you price an animal for sale do you include that het. gene in your price? You aren't going to sell a Spider het. Albino for the same price as a single gene Spider right? So you are really counting it.

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Originally Posted by C&H Exotic Morphs

I definitely think hets count as one and visuals count as 2 with regards to recessives. Just the same as we view all of the Incomplete Dom. genes.

And for those who say they don't count hets, when you price an animal for sale do you include that het. gene in your price? You aren't going to sell a Spider het. Albino for the same price as a single gene Spider right? So you are really counting it.

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I'm with C&H on this one, even though it just comes down to semantics. Technically, they're all multi-gene animals, just some of those genes are ones we've decided are valuable, and the others are "just normal". :P

I just think it's a sticky spot in the whole genetic "counting" thing. Of course a het will go for more but I also think it should be kept separate from the visual count. But I guess it already is. That's why it's stated as "spider het albino" instead of "spider with albino you can't see". But then again, is a pastel stated as a "het super pastel"? No, because pastel it is its own visual single gene and you only need one in a breeding pair to make more. So is a het a 1/2 gene?
Wait a second, where am I going with this? Now I'm getting confused!

what's so "sticky" about counting a het as a gene...it absolutely is. Not much to question about it IMO.

I would count a 100% het as another gene. It does take two of that recessive gene to make a visual. Just like it takes 2 yellowbellies to make an Ivory or 2 het Russos to make a white diamond. You're not going to say an Ivory is a single gene. A visual albino will pass on a single albino gene to all of its offspring. Not some, all. The perks of being in the homozygous form like a super.

A pastel female is only worth $150. A pastel het. Clown is $1000-1200. At that price difference, I would sure as heck include the het gene.

I'm one who says that a het gene can alter the way the snake looks. Many morph het clowns are highly influenced by the het gene. And there are a significant number of morph het pieds that are visually influenced by that het gene too.

Pastels and other co-doms with a homozygous super form are considered visual hets.

Either way, I would count. a recessive het as an additional gene.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I'm one who says that a het gene can alter the way the snake looks. Many morph het clowns are highly influenced by the het gene. And there are a significant number of morph het pieds that are visually influenced by that het gene too.

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This is a great point!
And we definitely need to add Hypo to the list of Recessive genes that can greatly influence other morphs with just the het gene present.

Very good points! Even more complicated than I originally thought of it! I wasn't even considering "visual" hets! I suppose I will have to change my view on things!