BEL Breeding

So I have a Lesser x Butter BEL male. I'm trying to find a good (full size probably) one or two gene female for him. I know a full grown two gene female is probably gonna run me a ton more than a one gene - but I'm weighing my options at the moment.

Currently I have my heart set on getting a Mojave female - but if I breed her to my BEL, the BEL babies that are produced would be either Butter x Mojave or Lesser x Mojave. With no way to know except growing up and breeding out - do you think its a good idea? I know a lot of people believe that Butters and Lessers are the same gene, but I know many others do not. Do you think its worth the genetic roulette?

Or - to still produce more BELs and not have as much (but still some) roulette going on - get a female Lesser or Butter?

For two gene girls, I've always wanted a Mystic Potion, but she would have Mojave - again with the roulette of genetics on the BELs that show up (according to WOBP, they would all be BELs)

But here's where I hit my head on a wall. I can't really decide on any other two genes that I'd want to put him with. I already have pastel and spider genes in my collection, and I'm not that big on the idea of getting more of the same genes.

Anybody have any suggestions?

I would say either the mojave female or something like a pastave or butter/lesser pastel, because with the second option you could get BEL's and butter/lesser pastels, or possible a BEL Pastel, though that would likely be hard to tell.

I like the mojave girl idea. Half will be BEL and the other half being lessers and butters . The BEL's you get will be fun because they could be a butter mojave or a lesser mojave. Either way BEL's with two genes that go with everything.

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Originally Posted by Xotik

So I have a Lesser x Butter BEL male. I'm trying to find a good (full size probably) one or two gene female for him. I know a full grown two gene female is probably gonna run me a ton more than a one gene - but I'm weighing my options at the moment. Two gene breedable female, doubt you'll even find one for sale, but if you do expect to pay quite a bit.

Currently I have my heart set on getting a Mojave female - but if I breed her to my BEL, the BEL babies that are produced would be either Butter x Mojave or Lesser x Mojave. With no way to know except growing up and breeding out - do you think its a good idea? I know a lot of people believe that Butters and Lessers are the same gene, but I know many others do not. Do you think its worth the genetic roulette? I don't know what you expect to breed out....

Or - to still produce more BELs and not have as much (but still some) roulette going on - get a female Lesser or Butter? down below you say your not big on the idea of getting more of the same gene...

For two gene girls, I've always wanted a Mystic Potion, but she would have Mojave - again with the roulette of genetics on the BELs that show up (according to WOBP, they would all be BELs) then you would be playing the game of whats has mystic in it or not, imo not a great match for your animal

But here's where I hit my head on a wall. I can't really decide on any other two genes that I'd want to put him with. I already have pastel and spider genes in my collection, and I'm not that big on the idea of getting more of the same genes. Pinstripe, Hypo, Yellow Belly, Fire, there not much that doesn't go with lesser/butter.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

So I have a Lesser x Butter BEL male. I'm trying to find a good (full size probably) one or two gene female for him. I know a full grown two gene female is probably gonna run me a ton more than a one gene - but I'm weighing my options at the moment. Two gene breedable female, doubt you'll even find one for sale, but if you do expect to pay quite a bit. Yes, I am aware that I will be paying quite a bit if I did find one. I already stated that.

Currently I have my heart set on getting a Mojave female - but if I breed her to my BEL, the BEL babies that are produced would be either Butter x Mojave or Lesser x Mojave. With no way to know except growing up and breeding out - do you think its a good idea? I know a lot of people believe that Butters and Lessers are the same gene, but I know many others do not. Do you think its worth the genetic roulette? I don't know what you expect to breed out.... BEL's...Thats what Lessers, Butters and Mojaves make...

Or - to still produce more BELs and not have as much (but still some) roulette going on - get a female Lesser or Butter? down below you say your not big on the idea of getting more of the same gene...Yes, below I specified that I did not want any more pastels or spiders. Lessers and Butters are still on the table.

For two gene girls, I've always wanted a Mystic Potion, but she would have Mojave - again with the roulette of genetics on the BELs that show up (according to WOBP, they would all be BELs) then you would be playing the game of whats has mystic in it or not, imo not a great match for your animal Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you for your input.

But here's where I hit my head on a wall. I can't really decide on any other two genes that I'd want to put him with. I already have pastel and spider genes in my collection, and I'm not that big on the idea of getting more of the same genes. Pinstripe, Hypo, Yellow Belly, Fire, there not much that doesn't go with lesser/butter. Pinstripes I have not considered, hypo may be - but I already have one recessive in my fleet and I'm not 100% set on adding another just yet, Yellow belly I'm not 100% on either. Fires I do love and will probably consider these.

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Thanks for your input.

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Originally Posted by Xotik

So I have a Lesser x Butter BEL male. I'm trying to find a good (full size probably) one or two gene female for him. I know a full grown two gene female is probably gonna run me a ton more than a one gene - but I'm weighing my options at the moment. Two gene breedable female, doubt you'll even find one for sale, but if you do expect to pay quite a bit. Yes, I am aware that I will be paying quite a bit if I did find one. I already stated that. If you dont mind me asking, whats your budget? makes it easier to figure out what's within reach

Currently I have my heart set on getting a Mojave female - but if I breed her to my BEL, the BEL babies that are produced would be either Butter x Mojave or Lesser x Mojave. With no way to know except growing up and breeding out - do you think its a good idea? I know a lot of people believe that Butters and Lessers are the same gene, but I know many others do not. Do you think its worth the genetic roulette? I don't know what you expect to breed out.... BEL's...Thats what Lessers, Butters and Mojaves make... are you expecting to be able to tell the difference between the lessers and butters when they are the same gene?

Or - to still produce more BELs and not have as much (but still some) roulette going on - get a female Lesser or Butter? [COLOR="#FF0000"]down below you say your not big on the idea of getting more of the same gene...[/COLOR]Yes, below I specified that I did not want any more pastels or spiders. Lessers and Butters are still on the table. Wasn't specified :P

For two gene girls, I've always wanted a Mystic Potion, but she would have Mojave - again with the roulette of genetics on the BELs that show up (according to WOBP, they would all be BELs) then you would be playing the game of whats has mystic in it or not, imo not a great match for your animal Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you for your input.

But here's where I hit my head on a wall. I can't really decide on any other two genes that I'd want to put him with. I already have pastel and spider genes in my collection, and I'm not that big on the idea of getting more of the same genes. Pinstripe, Hypo, Yellow Belly, Fire, there not much that doesn't go with lesser/butter. Pinstripes I have not considered, hypo may be - but I already have one recessive in my fleet and I'm not 100% set on adding another just yet, Yellow belly I'm not 100% on either. Fires I do love and will probably consider these. friend of mine has a butter fire, that thing just glows

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so what color is next? your move.

I would get a mojave female...:gj:

Haha, on my phone, stop no new color.. actually my budget will be determined by what I decide to get. I can afford up to 500$ right now, but I am willing to wait a bit longer and save up more for the right snake.

And no, I do not expect to tell them apart, thats why I'm semi hesitant to go with the bel route and am looking for other options as well.

First off, breeding a mojo to a bel will not produce all Bel's I have read the thread and want to make sure you understand that...... you will not produce any normals but you will have some single gene butter/lesser animals......

With 500 bucks at your disposal breeding to a bel wanting to make something cool.... I would honestly look into a sub adult Bumble Bee... Bees have come down in price significantly and there are some female Bees out there with some size to them at really reasonable prices..... I know this isnt the most powerful animal to breed to your bel but on your budget it is a 2 gene female and you will have a grab bag of impressive animals come from that breeding, also another benifit of a bee female is female spider gene animals seem to eat like pigs (atleast all of mine do) and grow quick...

you will produce
butter/lessers 25%
butter/lesser pastels 25%
butter/lesser spiders 25%
butter/lesser bees 25%

Depends on what you want to head to????
I would maybe think a long the lines of a Cinnamon, Calico, or Enchi.
I know you said you have pastel but a Super Pastel could rock the boat with him too;)

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

you will produce
butter/lessers 25%
butter/lesser pastels 25%
butter/lesser spiders 25%
butter/lesser bees 25%

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Queen Bees

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Originally Posted by Xotik

Haha, on my phone, stop no new color.. actually my budget will be determined by what I decide to get. I can afford up to 500$ right now, but I am willing to wait a bit longer and save up more for the right snake.

And no, I do not expect to tell them apart, thats why I'm semi hesitant to go with the bel route and am looking for other options as well.

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mojave or lesser/butter might be the best option if your ok with making more BEL. Personally Id shot for the lesser/butter since I just love the white on them, despite the risk for bug eyes.

if you want to advance genetically, you should be able to find a two gene combo a little above your budget. Pinstripes are a personal favorite of mine.

Get something with clown or enchi, both look great with the BEL complex.

I'd get the nicest looking female enchi you can find. Butter/lesser enchis are delicious! :gj:

Mmmmmm, butter enchi!

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A hypo pin or hypo cinnamon would be my first two choices...

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Depends on what you want to head to????
I would maybe think a long the lines of a Cinnamon, Calico, or Enchi.
I know you said you have pastel but a Super Pastel could rock the boat with him too;)

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Queen Bees

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I do apologize I dont memorize every stupid name for a combo out there. but there was no part of my genetics that were wrong.....

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

I do apologize I dont memorize every stupid name for a combo out there. but there was no part of my genetics that were wrong.....

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Don't you think you should of pressed the thanks button for a member giving you a little bit of information, instead of getting offended? You didn't know before, now you do. Out of the two words he posted, I don't see where he said anything was wrong genetically.

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

I do apologize I dont memorize every stupid name for a combo out there. but there was no part of my genetics that were wrong.....

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Didnt try to offend you, you should know me better than that by now? I would have said more.
I was on my phone and all I could think was Queen Bees as in ohh I want one.

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but to correct you it is only 12.5% on each not 25% unless you are on the set that a Butter and Lesser are the same.

12.5% butter
12.5% butter pastel
12.5% butter bee
12.5% butter bumble bee
12.5% lesser
12.5% lesser pastel
12.5% lesser bee
12.5% queen bee

doesnt really matter how the punnet sqare works out on paper the genetic gods will determine the outcome anyway LOL. in the meantime go out and get an enchi......the enchi lesser is awesome. Kirk