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  • 08-29-2012, 02:00 PM
    ktaylor89
    yes or no?
    I currently have a breeder size male spider, a 500g citrus pastel that was sold to me as a male but I believe to be a female and a normal female baby. I have the opportunity to buy a 2200g male granite het pied, a 500g female "sk" axthantic, a 650g male 100% het lavender albino and a male 100% het "Vp" axthantic het genetic banded for possibly $250. Is it worth it? Would I be able to pair the female sk axthantic to the male het Vp axthantic and if so what would the offspring probabilities be? I don't know much about axthantics. Thanks!
  • 08-29-2012, 02:07 PM
    BWyant
    Re: yes or no?
    You're gonna' get all that for 250?

    I wouldn't care if they had mites for that price.

    Obviously axanthics are recessive, so you'd need to be at least het on both sides to get an axanthic baby.

    Seems like a no-brainer to me. And then, if it were me.... I'd start looking for a pinstripe het axanthic and albino.

    Pinstripe axanthics are pretty sweet in my book and you're gonna' need another het for your albino, so.....

    Just my thoughts.
  • 08-29-2012, 02:09 PM
    cschneider
    Can't mix axanthic lines if you want to produce visuals. Need the same lines or you would get double hets.


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  • 08-29-2012, 02:09 PM
    Mike41793
    Are you buying the snakes with paperwork or from a reputable breeder?
  • 08-29-2012, 02:13 PM
    Annarose15
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ktaylor89 View Post
    I currently have a breeder size male spider, a 500g citrus pastel that was sold to me as a male but I believe to be a female and a normal female baby. I have the opportunity to buy a 2200g male granite het pied, a 500g female "sk" axthantic, a 650g male 100% het lavender albino and a male 100% het "Vp" axthantic het genetic banded for possibly $250. Is it worth it? Would I be able to pair the female sk axthantic to the male het Vp axthantic and if so what would the offspring probabilities be? I don't know much about axthantics. Thanks!

    The bolded part would be a red flag to me. Although I am aware of some codom lines of genetic banding, I have not heard of a recessive line that would therefore yield a het. Also, you can pair a VPI axanthic to an SK axanthic all day long, but you won't get any axanthics because they are not compatible with each other.

    Why do you "believe" the citrus pastel is a female?
  • 08-29-2012, 02:16 PM
    BWyant
    Re: yes or no?
    LoL.

    This one just goes to show me that I'm not picky enough.

    $250 for all of that sounds like a total steal to me.
  • 08-29-2012, 02:19 PM
    Annarose15
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BWyant View Post
    LoL.

    This one just goes to show me that I'm not picky enough.

    $250 for all of that sounds like a total steal to me.

    It's not a steal if all the supposed hets are just normal males, one with some extra speckles that Joe Blow is calling a granite.
  • 08-29-2012, 02:25 PM
    ktaylor89
    I have popped the pastel many times and she screams female. No hemipenes and has the 2 white bumps. I am going to have it sexed for me to be sure. I'm still new to this and just trying to learn.:oops: I found the guy selling them through CL and haven't spoke to him yet to find out if there are papers but for $250 it might be worth taking a chance. I don't know much about axthantics so I'm trying to learn something new.

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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    It's not a steal if all the supposed hets are just normal males, one with some extra speckles that Joe Blow is calling a granite.

    This is true. :gj:
  • 08-29-2012, 02:27 PM
    RoseyReps
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    It's not a steal if all the supposed hets are just normal males, one with some extra speckles that Joe Blow is calling a granite.

    This.
    There are so many "granites" that don't prove to be genetic.

    I would not gamble the $250 on male hets (one female under breeding weight "het") from some random person.

    If a deal is too good to be true, more often than not it is.

    If they were females, at least you could use them for breeding and make some money back, or sell them as breeding size girls. People will pay 100-200 for that. But being mostly males? Yea, I'd pass. Save the money / time / food and housing costs and get something from a reputable breeder. Especially if you plan on playing with Hets.
  • 08-29-2012, 02:28 PM
    Mike41793
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BWyant View Post
    LoL.

    This one just goes to show me that I'm not picky enough.

    $250 for all of that sounds like a total steal to me.

    $250 for what could be 4 male normals is not a steal at all lol.

    OP: definetly ask for papers. Also ask why he's getting rid of them. Is he replacing the males with visuals that hes hatched out? Is there something wrong with the 500g female?

    This SCREAMS sketchy to me.
  • 08-29-2012, 02:28 PM
    Annarose15
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ktaylor89 View Post
    I have popped the pastel many times and she screams female. No hemipenes and has the 2 white bumps. I am going to have it sexed for me to be sure. I'm still new to this and just trying to learn.:oops: I found the guy selling them through CL and haven't spoke to him yet to find out if there are papers but for $250 it might be worth taking a chance. I don't know much about axthantics so I'm trying to learn something new.

    Even if his hets are all legitimate, that would put you at 4 males and 3 females, none of whom can interbreed and produce visuals of ANY of the recessive genes at play. To me, that would be like buying 10 bird feeders because they're a "great deal", but living in Antarctica so I will never have any reason to use them.

    And I still stand by my warning about the "het genetic banded" assertion.
  • 08-29-2012, 02:32 PM
    BWyant
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    It's not a steal if all the supposed hets are just normal males, one with some extra speckles that Joe Blow is calling a granite.

    You've got a point there.

    Even still though, four normals could sell for.... on the low end, 100 bucks.... If they're adults, a lot more.

    If it's me and I've got the $250, for that package, knowing the risks, I'm buying.

    It would definitely be wise to ask for a ton of pictures of these snakes and look for het markers though.
  • 08-29-2012, 02:33 PM
    ktaylor89
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    Even if his hets are all legitimate, that would put you at 4 males and 3 females, none of whom can interbreed and produce visuals of ANY of the recessive genes at play. To me, that would be like buying 10 bird feeders because they're a "great deal", but living in Antarctica so I will never have any reason to use them.

    And I still stand by my warning about the "het genetic banded" assertion.

    That is what I was wondering. I wasn't sure if there was any combos to put together with what I would have. Thank you! This answers my question
  • 08-29-2012, 02:34 PM
    BWyant
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    And I still stand by my warning about the "het genetic banded" assertion.

    Now that one, I'm definitely with you. I've never heard of such a thing either.

    And I do agree that it's a bit like buying bird feeders... But it would be more like buying them with plans of moving to Florida...
  • 08-29-2012, 02:36 PM
    Annarose15
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BWyant View Post
    You've got a point there.

    Even still though, four normals could sell for.... on the low end, 100 bucks.... If they're adults, a lot more.

    If it's me and I've got the $250, for that package, knowing the risks, I'm buying.

    It would definitely be wise to ask for a ton of pictures of these snakes and look for het markers though.

    I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I've given away adult normal males because there just isn't much market for that size snake with relatively no breeding value. Anyone can take pictures of their snakes and type up "het" papers. I would vaguely consider it if the paperwork was from a well-known breeder that would confirm it came from them originally. Oh, and there are no het markers for lavendar albinos and axanthics.

    ADD: And if you're moving to Florida with your feeders, wouldn't it be smarter to buy them in two years, once you have the chicks to breed...er...feed them with? ;)
  • 08-29-2012, 02:37 PM
    Mike41793
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BWyant View Post
    Even still though, four normals could sell for.... on the low end, 100 bucks.... If they're adults, a lot more.

    Tell me more, im intrigued... What's the high end for four adult male normals?
  • 08-29-2012, 02:40 PM
    rabernet
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    The bolded part would be a red flag to me. Although I am aware of some codom lines of genetic banding, I have not heard of a recessive line that would therefore yield a het. Also, you can pair a VPI axanthic to an SK axanthic all day long, but you won't get any axanthics because they are not compatible with each other.

    Why do you "believe" the citrus pastel is a female?

    Bengal is NERD's recessive genetic banded. Not aware of any other recessive line.

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  • 08-29-2012, 02:43 PM
    Annarose15
    Re: yes or no?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rabernet View Post
    Bengal is NERD's recessive genetic banded. Not aware of any other recessive line.

    Yes, that actual crossed my mind, and I stand corrected. I made the assumption (oops!) that a seller would refer to it as Bengal, not just het genetic banded, if they knew what it was.
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