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Do anyone avoid these combos...?
So i couldnt really come up with a good title for this thread bc its kinda hard to explain my question.
Does anyone avoid certain morph combos bc it would be hard to determine what the offspring are?
For example. I love the look of vanilla creams (fire x vanilla) but i would be afraid i wouldnt be able to tell the babies apart. For example: do Pastel Fires look way different than Vanilla Fires? (or any morph, those are just an example). I feel like since theyre so similar itd be really hard to determine what the babies are. Also even just them by themselves, vanillas and fires look pretty similar, but are there some guranteed ways to tell them apart?
Another combo that came to mind would be a butter x lesser BEL. If i made one of these then bred it to a normal how would i be able to tell which are butters and which are lessers? (I personally feel theyre the same thing but i know others dont, so i couldnt sell babies as an unknown is what i was thinking). Also once again, just for example, do pastel butters look that much different from pastel lessers?
Im just trying to get people's opinions on these things BEFORE i start breeding combos that wouldnt be "useful" or "desireable" for lack of better terms. I do LOVE vanilla creams though, so id probably just get one as a pet even if it didnt work into my breeding plans lol.
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This is an internal conflict brewing in the depths of my own mind as well. A bridge I will eventually cross and learn from experience because I absolutely love vanilla creams!
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Wow i meant to say DOES anyone avoid these combos lol. Stupid typing on stupid smart phone phone!
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Personally, I avoid those kind of combos.
I'm doing a MojavexLesser pairing this winter. No mistaking whos who with that pairing. And in addition of avoiding confusion with IDing, I want to avoid the bug eyes. So that's my story with avoiding certain pairings.
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Originally Posted by Andybill
This is an internal conflict brewing in the depths of my own mind as well. A bridge I will eventually cross and learn from experience because I absolutely love vanilla creams!
Ikr?!
The nilla creams are HAWT but im not sure if i want something that would give me headaches lol.
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Originally Posted by satomi325
Personally, I avoid those kind of combos.
I'm doing a MojavexLesser pairing this winter. No mistaking whos who with that pairing. And in addition of avoiding confusion with IDing, I want to avoid the bug eyes. So that's my story with avoiding certain pairings.
See the problem is im not really a huge mojo fan though :/
I would like a hypo mojo (like jinx's lol) to put to my lesser and OG when they get up to size BUT i kinda like the idea of a super lesser. Like alot haha. But besides hypo mojos, im partial to almost anything hypo, theres not a whole lot of mojo combos that i really like.
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This problem can be solved by using supers. If I was going for vanilla creams for instance, I'd use either a super fire or super vanilla as one of the parents. It's impossible to confuse a vanilla cream with either fire or vanilla. If you use a super fire bred to a vanilla, all non creams are fire. Likewise if you bred a super vanilla to a fire, all non creams would be vanilla.
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Re: Do anyone avoid these combos...?
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Originally Posted by John1982
This problem can be solved by using supers. If I was going for vanilla creams for instance, I'd use either a super fire or super vanilla as one of the parents. It's impossible to confuse a vanilla cream with either fire or vanilla. If you use a super fire bred to a vanilla, all non creams are fire. Likewise if you bred a super vanilla to a fire, all non creams would be vanilla.
I think the concern here is breeding the vanilla cream to a pastel. You could get vanilla pastels and fire flies. Is it easy to distinguish one from another?
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Originally Posted by joebad976
I think the concern here is breeding the vanilla cream to a pastel. You could get vanilla pastels and fire flies. Is it easy to distinguish one from another?
Yes exactly. Not just pastels, but any combo really.
I understand how you could gurantee making vanilla creams with your method John, but that wasnt really my concern. As joe said, id like to know how hard it is to tell their combos apart.
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Being able to tell the babies apart in subtitle morphs is one of the reasons I am putting off those projects untill I have my own house and plenty of space to be able to raise the babies up until I know for sure what they are. But I am looking for a firefly female to go to my future killer bee male to get my foot into the subtitle morphs.
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Well i dont necessarily have a problem with subtle morphs on their own. I have a fire and love fire combos. I plan to make alot of them and am pretty confident ill be able to tell them apart. (I like to think it helps that my fire boy is hot, but i dont wanna brag lol). The only problem is a combo like a vanilla cream. And what i would then produce from that being hard to distinguish.
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Having both a vanilla male and a fire male. Having bred both males as co-dom makers and combo makers, I myself, personally, can easily distinguish my vanillas and fires even at hatching.
That being said. I bought the best and brightest examples of the morphs I could find. I think that makes a big difference. I have seen many, many fires that I could barely distinguish from a normal. The same thing with vanillas. If you bred one of those I am quite sure telling the offspring apart would be nearly impossible. The key to a project like this would be to use the best examples of the prospective morph you could find, then the task becomes easy. Now, do I know for sure if I bred both to a co dom female, say a mojave, that I'd be able to tell if it were a vanilla mojave or fire mojave, not yet. But I suspect I could.
Gale
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Re: Do anyone avoid these combos...?
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Originally Posted by Mike41793
See the problem is im not really a huge mojo fan though :/
I would like a hypo mojo (like jinx's lol) to put to my lesser and OG when they get up to size BUT i kinda like the idea of a super lesser. Like alot haha. But besides hypo mojos, im partial to almost anything hypo, theres not a whole lot of mojo combos that i really like.
I'm a big fan of any of the BEL complex morphs and hypos in general. And putting them to my pin = me drooling. I love king pins, emperor pins, and jigsaws. The Jigsaw (Hypo), Mojo Hypo, and Black Mojo (Hypo) are part of my Mojo project. :)
Maybe even a Cherry Bomb some day...
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Originally Posted by angllady2
Having both a vanilla male and a fire male. Having bred both males as co-dom makers and combo makers, I myself, personally, can easily distinguish my vanillas and fires even at hatching. Now, do I know for sure if I bred both to a co dom female, say a mojave, that I'd be able to tell if it were a vanilla mojave or fire mojave, not yet. But I suspect I could.
That being said. I bought the best and brightest examples of the morphs I could find. I think that makes a big difference. I have seen many, many fires that I could barely distinguish from a normal. The same thing with vanillas. If you bred one of those I am quite sure telling the offspring apart would be nearly impossible. The key to a project like this would be to use the best examples of the prospective morph you could find, then the task becomes easy.
Gale
Ok thats kinda what i figured. I tried to buy a really hot fire. In your honest opinion would you say hes a good example of the morph? (You wont totally crush me if you say no lol. I can always produce some babies and hold back the better ones to clean up my lines even more before i attempt to mix in vanilla.)
With my normal here:
http://img.tapatalk.com/328ae97c-989d-3bab.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/328ae97c-98ab-13e1.jpg
At the very end of a shed cycle here:
http://img.tapatalk.com/328ae97c-98c6-128b.jpg
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Originally Posted by satomi325
I'm a big fan of any of the BEL complex morphs and hypos in general. And putting them to my pin = me drooling. I love king pins, emperor pins, and jigsaws. The Jigsaw (Hypo), Mojo Hypo, and Black Mojo (Hypo) are part of my Mojo project. :)
Maybe even a Cherry Bomb some day...
I wish you the best of luck producing some of those wicked combos!
Idk, i just prefer lessers/butters over mojos. Just a difference of opinion really.
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Ok. Brutally honest opinion of the fire. Here goes.
He's really too yellow for my tastes. Fire's should be creamy pale, not yellow. That being said, I'd guess 80% of that is the photos. I bet in real life he's a nice creamy tan, like mine.
He's got a couple good, big flames. Those are a plus. Fires should have huge flames, the more the better to me.
He's got some really good, heavy blushing going on. Another big plus. Mine have a ton of blushing, and by breeding my already heavily blushed male fire to the best blushed normal female I had, I got some ridiculous fire babies. Which was my goal.
Gale
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Originally Posted by angllady2
Ok. Brutally honest opinion of the fire. Here goes.
He's really too yellow for my tastes. Fire's should be creamy pale, not yellow. That being said, I'd guess 80% of that is the photos. I bet in real life he's a nice creamy tan, like mine.
He's got a couple good, big flames. Those are a plus. Fires should have huge flames, the more the better to me.
He's got some really good, heavy blushing going on. Another big plus. Mine have a ton of blushing, and by breeding my already heavily blushed male fire to the best blushed normal female I had, I got some ridiculous fire babies. Which was my goal.
Gale
Thanks, appreciate your thoughts. You do have some very nice fires! :gj:
It could be the photos or he could be yellow. Ive never had another fire to compare him to side by side in person. I'll try to get some outdoor shots of him in natural sunlight. That would probably make it easier to really distinguish.
Either way, like i said, im going to try to do my best to holdback nice ones and clean up my line. Then down the road maybe mix some vanilla into it.
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