Panda Pied (Super Black Pastel Piedbald)

I absolutely adore this morph and I was watching this video "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTHkZBqVoM&feature=related" and the man was explaining how to breed one.
If I wanted to breed one I would breed Black Pastel to a Piedbald then I would get a Black Pastel het. Piedbald then the part I am not understanding is what breed it back to..
If any knows what the guy exactly means I would appreciate your help finding out.

Piebald to black pastel, then breed 1.1 babies (black pastel hets) together? If i understand correctly, the panda pied is a super black pastel (or cinni) pied. Feel free to correct me!

What does 1.1 babies mean. I am yet to understand all the BP lingo sorry. and would this be a difficult morph for a BP newbie breeder to aim for?

1.1 means 1 male and 1 female. You breed a black pastel het pied to a black pastel het pied to create the panda pied. Or to make your chances a bit better 2 black pastel pieds together... It is a difficult morph to shoot for regardless of newbie or not because the chances of producing one are slim. But its a goal, without them you have nothing to look forward to. I have a whole lot of bp breeding goals. :) Just do your research, read up and study the forum and the threads and before you know it you will be full of knowledge!

Ahh Okay, I understand now. Thanks for the help you two.

I hope someone who knows for sure will show up and answer, but I've been hearing conflicting stories on this morph..

Originally, I thought I heard that the original panda pied was actually a black pastel x cinny. Both of which were het pied. (yes they are compatible to make a super)

Then recently, I heard it may just be black pastel pied. No super in it. Since it seems that the black pastel and cinny genes act similar to the spider gene with pieds. Very few markings if any at all. A mostly white snake.

I've not kept up with this project at all. If anyone knows all the details and can correct me, that would be awesome :)

The panda pied is supposedly a super Black pastel pied. But my friend has the brother black pastel clutchmate to the panda pied. He says its not really a pied but an extreme ringer. The black pastel is a ringer as well. The panda pied producer is thinking the same thing too from what I heard.

And the super cinny pied has come out and looks much different from the panda.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

If you bred a Panda pied to a Panda pied that would mean 100% Panda Pied? or no?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adin

If you bred a Panda pied to a Panda pied that would mean 100% Panda Pied? or no?

---

Correct all of the babies would be panda pied.

This website and this genetic wizard helped me a great deal when I first got started in ball morphs. Check it out if you haven't already
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adin

If you bred a Panda pied to a Panda pied that would mean 100% Panda Pied? or no?

---

Yes, if the Panda pied is indeed a Super Black Pastel Pied.
Both parents will contribute the pied gene and render all offspring visual pied.
And the Super genes in the parents will contribute one Black Pastel gene to a baby. And 2 Black Pastel genes = Super Black Pastel.

But like I mentioned before, the Panda may not even be a Super Black Pastel Pied.
Could just be a Super Black Pastel extreme ringer or just a Black Pastel Pied.... No body knows for sure since they're is only one Panda in existence.

Is there a pic floating around of the super cinni pied? I would like to see the difference too! I love that panda pied, but if it's true it's a ringer doesn't that mean non-genetic? Or am I confused about ringers.

I'm still interested in dinking around with a possible 8 ball pied (cinni x blk pastel) I'm sure it's gorgeous even if it's not the panda.

If theory is super blk pastel pied = panda pied
then panda pied x panda pied would yield 100% I believe?
I'm still getting my feet wet with genetics as well. So don't take my word for it. Wait for the experts :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RoseyReps

Is there a pic floating around of the super cinni pied? I would like to see the difference too! I love that panda pied, but if it's true it's a ringer doesn't that mean non-genetic? Or am I confused about ringers.

---

Crossley's photo:
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...1/90a787e0.jpg


Here's a great thread regarding Dave Green's extreme ringer and the offspring on the last page:
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...t=ringer+champ

Ringers can be genetic, but some aren't.

That line of ringers looks VERY promising! Thanks for the info :gj:
Genetics are so wonky I'm not sure I'll ever get a grip on them lol

How are we to tell the difference between the urban camo (pewter / super cinni / silver bullet het pieds) from the actual s.cinni pied? Do I just need more practice at identifying pieds vs visual hets?

I don't know..all I know is I would love to have an urban camo and a panda pied :P lol

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RoseyReps

That line of ringers looks VERY promising! Thanks for the info :gj:
Genetics are so wonky I'm not sure I'll ever get a grip on them lol

How are we to tell the difference between the urban camo (pewter / super cinni / silver bullet het pieds) from the actual s.cinni pied? Do I just need more practice at identifying pieds vs visual hets?

I don't know..all I know is I would love to have an urban camo and a panda pied :P lol

---

I think there just needs to be more super BP/cinny pieds out in the world so we can identify if there are any similarities and differences. There are only one of each out in the world right now, so who knows if its a fluke or not yet.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by DavidMundy

Correct all of the babies would be panda pied.

This website and this genetic wizard helped me a great deal when I first got started in ball morphs. Check it out if you haven't already
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

---

I have seen this tool.. its a awesome to tool to look at!

- - - Updated - - -

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RoseyReps

Is there a pic floating around of the super cinni pied? I would like to see the difference too! I love that panda pied, but if it's true it's a ringer doesn't that mean non-genetic? Or am I confused about ringers.

I'm still interested in dinking around with a possible 8 ball pied (cinni x blk pastel) I'm sure it's gorgeous even if it's not the panda.

If theory is super blk pastel pied = panda pied
then panda pied x panda pied would yield 100% I believe?
I'm still getting my feet wet with genetics as well. So don't take my word for it. Wait for the experts :D

---

If you do Cinni X Blk Pastel I would love to see your results!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by satomi325

Crossley's photo:
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/...1/90a787e0.jpg


Ringers can be genetic, but some aren't.

---

This is not a Pied. It is probably just a het expressing as an extreme ringer. We will have more evidence to add the first week of sept....hopefully.

As for the Panda Pied, I was informed this animal was produced from a wild imported BP looking animal to a completely unrelated BP het pied. That cinny/BP gene does some strange things combined with the pied gene.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

This is not a Pied. It is probably just a het expressing as an extreme ringer. We will have more evidence to add the first week of sept....hopefully.

As for the Panda Pied, I was informed this animal was produced from a wild imported BP looking animal to a completely unrelated BP het pied. That cinny/BP gene does some strange things combined with the pied gene.

---

That's what I thought Brandon.. Knowing that your line of cinnys produces those outstanding extreme ringers. Then there's the extreme ringer line of champagnes.

So basically, it does seem that the black pastel and cinny genes combine with the pied gene in a way similar to spiders. Colouring primarily on the head and no where else.

That is exactly what we are thinking. We are hoping we can change that outcome in the next year or so.

Anyone figure this out for certain yet?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adin

Anyone figure this out for certain yet?

---

Figure what out? Whether it not it is pied?

saw this today on fauna, it's a female Panda Pied a guy in Virginia Beach, VA is selling.
Gorgeous!!

http://i47.tinypic.com/1hwlci.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/257zymu.jpg

a girl can dream, right?

What it exactly takes to breed one out? Is it actually a pied?

The one that qegalpal just posted looks to be a Super Cinn/Black Pastel Pied to me. The Ringers seem to have a propensity to have rougher edges on their markings than true Pieds however, I'm hardly an expert with the Pied gene so I'm only speaking from a personal perspective.

It'd be great though is we could actually get a little database of true Cinni and Black Pastel Pieds and Ringers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by qegalpal

saw this today on fauna, it's a female Panda Pied a guy in Virginia Beach, VA is selling.
Gorgeous!!

http://i47.tinypic.com/1hwlci.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/257zymu.jpg

a girl can dream, right?

---

Too high white for my tastes, what was he asking for her though?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Adin

Too high white for my tastes, what was he asking for her though?

---

16k.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mrl249

16k.

---

Oh dang yeah that a lot especially for one that wouldn't suit my tastes in one.

I'm sure the Panda above is Colin Weaver's. He posted a thread here about a month ago in the picture section. I picked up a BP 100% Het Pied from him. Colin has put a lot of effort into the Panda Pied and from talking with him he used Black Pastel Pieds/BP Het Pieds to work on his Panda project.