Zebra Bee

So I'm considering getting into breeding Ball Pythons in a couple of years after I learn all I can and get all supplies.

Anyways, I think my goal morph to create would be a Zebra Bee and I was wondering what snakes I would have to pair together to end up with the result of hatching out a Zebra Bee? They are Axanthic, Pastel, Spider correct? So how would you go about putting them all together?

Also, is there a good link where I could learn BP genetics?

Thanks guys! :D

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...ic-bumble-bee/


Genetic Wizard 3.0 calculations by
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Edit: Can anyone tell me why my tables never show up anymore from WOBP??

Yes, but what snakes would I need to put together in what order to end up with a Zebra Bee?? The genetics calculator doesn't really help me find that out.
Would I want to produce a Pastel Spider first, then breed to an Axanthic or what?

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Originally Posted by KTyne

Yes, but what snakes would I need to put together in what order to end up with a Zebra Bee?? The genetics calculator doesn't really help me find that out.
Would I want to produce a Pastel Spider first, then breed to an Axanthic or what?

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That's the table I was referring to. If you click the "world of ball pythons" logo it will bring to to the wizard. Basically your best option would be a pastel het axanthic and a spider het axanthic.

you can buy a pastel het axanthic and a spider het axanthic

edit: LGRAY beat me to it

:gj: spider and pastel het axanthic will be your fastest route haha

Depends on your budget. There are a lot of ways you can get it. You could get a ax female raise her up, get a bumble be male breed them, hope the morphs gods are on your side and get a male bumble het ax and breed it back to the ax mom. What's your budget?

Ahhh ok, I didn't think of the het axanthic option... makes sense.
Right now I have no budget, lol. I think going the het route would be nicer on my wallet?
I have no idea how much BP morphs are (still new to this) so I haven't thought up a budget yet. :) I would love to be enlightened though!
How much (approx) would a spider het axanthic and a pastel het axanthic cost compared to a bumblebee and axanthic?

look around on kingsnake to get an idea on prices. i know you want to breed your own but i saw an axanthic bee(zebra bee) for sale

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Originally Posted by LGray23

That's the table I was referring to. If you click the "world of ball pythons" logo it will bring to to the wizard. Basically your best option would be a pastel het axanthic and a spider het axanthic.

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Male:	Spider, Het Axanthic (VPI)
Female:	Pastel, Het Axanthic (VPI)
Percent	Fraction	Traits
6.25%	1/16	Axanthic (VPI), Bumblebee
12.5%	1/8	Bumblebee, Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Bumblebee
6.25%	1/16	Axanthic (VPI), Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Pastel, Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Pastel
6.25%	1/16	Spider, Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Spider, Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Spider
6.25%	1/16	Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Normal
View Results Page

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Originally Posted by JaGv

look around on kingsnake to get an idea on prices. i know you want to breed your own but i saw an axanthic bee(zebra bee) for sale

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Thanks, I'll have to take a look on there!

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Male:	Spider, Het Axanthic (VPI)
Female:	Pastel, Het Axanthic (VPI)
Percent	Fraction	Traits
6.25%	1/16	Axanthic (VPI), Bumblebee
12.5%	1/8	Bumblebee, Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Bumblebee
6.25%	1/16	Axanthic (VPI), Pastel
12.5%	1/8	Pastel, Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Pastel
6.25%	1/16	Spider, Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Spider, Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Spider
6.25%	1/16	Axanthic (VPI)
12.5%	1/8	Het Axanthic (VPI)
6.25%	1/16	Normal
View Results Page

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Thank-you very much, this helps a lot. :D

Check ks for prices, there is no reason to buy both right now, you'll be paying to feed a male for 2-3 years as your female matures. Save your
Money and buy your male when the female is almost at breeding size.

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Originally Posted by 1nstinct

Check ks for prices, there is no reason to buy both right now, you'll be paying to feed a male for 2-3 years as your female matures. Save your
Money and buy your male when the female is almost at breeding size.

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Thank-you for the advice. :)
I tried looking on kingsnake and found a Pastel het Axanthic female I think it was that was like $1350 but I didn't find any others. Is this average?

It takes a lot of effort to get anything Recessive combined with a Co-dom. I just hatched out my first Zebra Bee, and I started from scratch. It took me more than 5 years.

If you have the ingredients and a lot of luck, you can do it in three.

Good luck!

Thanks for the luck! I'm not looking for a quick project at all so waiting that long to hatch one out won't bother me. :) I probably won't start breeding at all for at least a year or two anyways. I want to be 100% prepared!

I'd buy an pastel axanthic female now. If you don't want to spend that much, I'd go for a pastel het. axanthic. 1350 for a pastel het. axanthic is too much in my opinion. At least it should be a lemon pastel het vpi and the most beautiful pastel ever out of a line of most beautiful axanthics ;) Actually I'm trying to buy an pastel axanthic sk and found one for less than the above price. Hope the deal works out.

Good luck with your project!

Thanks for the tip. I'm not sure what I'll go for! I'm going to the Western Canadian Reptile Expo in August in Alberta and I think I'm going to keep an eye out for any there! If I don't see any Axanthics at all then I'll ask some breeders if they would have any in the future and how much they'd charge. :)

why does the site not have the option for Het Red axanthics? I can't seem to grab that one to play around with...

The Zebra is fairly interesting.

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Originally Posted by KTyne

Thanks for the tip. I'm not sure what I'll go for! I'm going to the Western Canadian Reptile Expo in August in Alberta and I think I'm going to keep an eye out for any there! If I don't see any Axanthics at all then I'll ask some breeders if they would have any in the future and how much they'd charge. :)

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I'm sure Henry Piorun will be there, he has some good bps. I'm always checking out his site.

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Originally Posted by 4Ballz

why does the site not have the option for Het Red axanthics? I can't seem to grab that one to play around with...

The Zebra is fairly interesting.

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I'm sure Henry Piorun will be there, he has some good bps. I'm always checking out his site.

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Actually, he IS going to be there. I didn't even think to see if he was going to be there. A few years ago when I first started getting interested in BPs he's the first breeder I was checking out so I think I'll definitely have to go take a look at his booth. ^_^

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Originally Posted by KTyne

Actually, he IS going to be there. I didn't even think to see if he was going to be there. A few years ago when I first started getting interested in BPs he's the first breeder I was checking out so I think I'll definitely have to go take a look at his booth. ^_^

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Talk to our local breeders, hun! Just because they don't post doesn't mean they're not working on projects. There may be some breeders locally that are playing with Axanthic lines. I know a few that are working with Bee projects (Killer) but they are keeping it to themselves for the most part.

The first person I would hit up would be Tracey. Her parents just left town, so she's back to answering e-mails. Check and see what her project plans are for the next little while. She usually has an idea of what the other projects are being worked on around you as well. She'll be hitting up the meeting in August, so you could even chat with her a bit there. Another person to get in touch with would be BrettKeith on ERAS. Not sure if he has a website, but I know he was working with Bee lines as well. Steve Mallet was doing some stuff, but I think they're focusing on corns right now.

Long story short, yep, it might be cheaper to try to breed your own, but the other thing to consider is the fact that you'll be breeding. And as mentioned above, it could take years to get what you're looking for.

Don't get stuck on one morph is the first thing I'd suggest! Especially since you're new to BPs. My tastes have changed over the course of the year, and now I have a pretty solid idea of what I really like. Getting myself a Pied, and then eventually I want either a Lesser Bee or a Killer Bee. Or an Enchi Lesser. But when I first started, I was all over the place with morphs that I thought looked cool.

Definitely chat it up. You might be surprised, for sure.

I would start with either a pastel het axanthic or a spider het axanthic female, and the shop for the other gene in a male a year or two later.

If you start with a bumblebee and an axanthic, you'll have to breed them together to get the spider and the pastel het axanthic... and you'll have to hope you produce them in a opposite gendered siblings, so you can breed them together a few years.

Of course, if you start out with a bumblebee and an axnathic you DO have some neat morphs show people, right out the door. And then maybe you'll get very lucky and hit the bumble het axanthic in your first pairing (which you can then breed to a plain old het axanthic. Or even to another pastel het axanthic, which would let you try for the super zebra.)

I do see the appeal either way, if you're starting your first big project.

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Originally Posted by Vasiliki

Talk to our local breeders, hun! Just because they don't post doesn't mean they're not working on projects. There may be some breeders locally that are playing with Axanthic lines. I know a few that are working with Bee projects (Killer) but they are keeping it to themselves for the most part.

The first person I would hit up would be Tracey. Her parents just left town, so she's back to answering e-mails. Check and see what her project plans are for the next little while. She usually has an idea of what the other projects are being worked on around you as well. She'll be hitting up the meeting in August, so you could even chat with her a bit there. Another person to get in touch with would be BrettKeith on ERAS. Not sure if he has a website, but I know he was working with Bee lines as well. Steve Mallet was doing some stuff, but I think they're focusing on corns right now.

Long story short, yep, it might be cheaper to try to breed your own, but the other thing to consider is the fact that you'll be breeding. And as mentioned above, it could take years to get what you're looking for.

Don't get stuck on one morph is the first thing I'd suggest! Especially since you're new to BPs. My tastes have changed over the course of the year, and now I have a pretty solid idea of what I really like. Getting myself a Pied, and then eventually I want either a Lesser Bee or a Killer Bee. Or an Enchi Lesser. But when I first started, I was all over the place with morphs that I thought looked cool.

Definitely chat it up. You might be surprised, for sure.

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Thanks for the advice Danielle, I didn't even think of asking Tracey about it to be honest, lol. Probably should have thought of that sooner. :P I've always loved Spider based Morphs and when I saw the Zebra Bee I just fell in love. Even if I didn't end up producing a Zebra Bee after a few years all of the different morph combinations that can be made with a Spider het Axanthic and a Pastel het Anxanthic are pretty awsome! I would mostly be breeding for myself too so even if I couldn't sell babies right away I wouldn't be very sad about having to keep them, hahaha.
Like I said though, it'll be a couple of years before I'd consider starting to breed because I want to do a TON of research first. I saw what happened to I think it was Sheeva on ERAS with her egg binding and that would be terrifying. :(

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Originally Posted by loonunit

I would start with either a pastel het axanthic or a spider het axanthic female, and the shop for the other gene in a male a year or two later.

If you start with a bumblebee and an axanthic, you'll have to breed them together to get the spider and the pastel het axanthic... and you'll have to hope you produce them in a opposite gendered siblings, so you can breed them together a few years.

Of course, if you start out with a bumblebee and an axnathic you DO have some neat morphs show people, right out the door. And then maybe you'll get very lucky and hit the bumble het axanthic in your first pairing (which you can then breed to a plain old het axanthic. Or even to another pastel het axanthic, which would let you try for the super zebra.)

I do see the appeal either way, if you're starting your first big project.

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Thanks very much for the advice! That's what I was thinking is that even if I didn't hit the Zebra Bee after a while of trying all of the morphs that would come out of that pairing would be awsome anyways, lol. At least in my opinion. It'd be a pretty sweet project I think. :)

I would personally get a super pastel anxanthic visual male and a bumble bee 100% het anxanthic female.
It's gonna be more money but you won't through any normals and you can maybe even get killer bee anxanthic. I'm pretty sure.

T.A.W Snakes & Reptiles

My recommendation: Breed a bumblebee to a female Axanthic, and hold back a male bumblebee (provided you get one).

Breed the male bumblebee het Axanthic to the female Axanthic, and voila--sooner or later. :)

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Originally Posted by B-Dan888

I would personally get a super pastel anxanthic visual male and a bumble bee 100% het anxanthic female.
It's gonna be more money but you won't through any normals and you can maybe even get killer bee anxanthic. I'm pretty sure.

T.A.W Snakes & Reptiles

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The only problem with that is finding a Super Pastel Anxanthic, lol.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

My recommendation: Breed a bumblebee to a female Axanthic, and hold back a male bumblebee (provided you get one).

Breed the male bumblebee het Axanthic to the female Axanthic, and voila--sooner or later. :)

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That sounds like it might be a good plan.

I'll have to look at lot more into this to see what would be the preferable method for me!

You could buy and an axanthic female today for around $400. Raise her up for a couple of years and then buy a bumblebee het axanthic male (making sure same line) when your girl is getting ready to breed. This is the most economic IMO in the sense that you won't be dealing with 66% het offspring so your ability to sell your offspring much easier.