Your thoughts on what this boy might be?

Hello! I received this boy with a normal and was told by the owner he was a hypo. I think colors are nice and he keeps a sheen/luster about him. Your thoughts?

Here's the pic!

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Wow he does have that hypo look. Very cool looking! Get some pictures in better lighting. That picture is kinda foggy-lookin. That's important because ghosts are supposed to be faded.

^^^^ Agreed. Some better pictures in natural light (no flash) would give us a more solid idea of what we're looking at with this boy

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Here's another. I own a store in Virginia and resell reptiles. My son is considering breeding so we are thinking of keeping him, we would like to be more confident about what he is.

its a Hypo

Looks ghost/hypo to me too

Thank you everyone! He is a great snake! Now we have to decide where he will fit in to a future program. Its funny- Im 40 and just started carrying reptiles at my store. i wanted to be different and carry livestock that customers wouldnt see in other stores. Now we`ve started getting some ball pythons and i just want to keep them all! Occupational hazard! :)

He does look hypo -- the problem with hypo, though, is that not all bloodlines are "compatible," and it can be very difficult, if not impossible, to tell which line you have if you don't know for sure. (If two hypos aren't "compatible," when you breed them together you will get all normal babies that are "double het for hypo.")

Some "orange ghosts" are screaming orange, but for others that are more ambiguous, it could be a bit of a gamble.

Good luck with him! Ball Pythons do seem to be quite addictive ... Much moreso than other snakes, I've found :O

Definitely a hypo.

I'm not personally aware of a bunch of incompatible hypo lines in ball pythons. So far as I know, it's just 'ghost' and 'desert ghost' (which really doesn't look the same), that are incompatible?

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Definitely a hypo.

I'm not personally aware of a bunch of incompatible hypo lines in ball pythons. So far as I know, it's just 'ghost' and 'desert ghost' (which really doesn't look the same), that are incompatible?

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There are definitely a lot of incompatible Hypos out there...I bought two WC Hypos and both were incompatible with established lines! There are hundreds of WC hypos brought in from Africa every year...Who knows what there compatibility will be...

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

There are definitely a lot of incompatible Hypos out there...I bought two WC Hypos and both were incompatible with established lines! There are hundreds of WC hypos brought in from Africa every year...Who knows what there compatibility will be...

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What did you name them, lol? (It is a new morph, after all).

That's a smokin hypo

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

What did you name them, lol? (It is a new morph, after all).

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Junk! I sold them...they were worthless to me.

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Bah, you never know what a new line of hypo might do in combos, it would be fun to have the chance to find out. Who has them now?

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Bah, you never know what a new line of hypo might do in combos, it would be fun to have the chance to find out. Who has them now?

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I line bred the male, they were ugly and wouldn't have enhanced any combo!

Who knows...The importer who guaranteed they would be compatible with established Hypos bought them back and all the animals I made from them for a little bit of nothing! I paid like $2500 bucks for the pair in 03!

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"Ugly" is always in the eye of the beholder, though. Aside from those, has anyone else seen any incompatible hypos?

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"Ugly" is always in the eye of the beholder, though. Aside from those, has anyone else seen any incompatible hypos?

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I picked up a "mystery hypo" last year from a friend of mine who told me that he'd bred green ghost to orange ghost in the past and gotten double hets. However, I have also read multiple cases of "green ghost" x "orange ghost" producing all ghosts.

In researching what my "mystery hypo" might be, I discovered a few cases of ghost x ghost producing double hets (including some that looked, phenotypically, the same). One of those was on Corey Woods's site, but I can't seem to find it now ... In other cases, very different-looking hypos would produce hypos. It seemed, in the end, to be a bit of a crapshoot.

What I took away from the exercise was that hypos might as well be considered like axanthics -- not very useful in a breeding program without knowing the bloodline. Especially, as "Coldbloodedaddict" pointed out, with all those imports floating around now ..!

There's plenty of posts on different forums claiming double hets from supposedly compatible hypos.
Jon is correct, a WC hypo brought in that proves not compatible with OG's is worthless in a breeding program due to the time it would take to prove out just what it is compatible with.

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What I took away from the exercise was that hypos might as well be considered like axanthics -- not very useful in a breeding program without knowing the bloodline.

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That's exactly it, but at least those axanthic lines are pretty well established, with all of the new hypo stuff coming in it's a crap shoot and not one I want a part of :P