trade went bad any advice

So i traded my female pastel on here and when they got it, said she had blood coming out of her vent and said the vet said was most likely nothing and she shed during shipping and they didn't want to keep her and said they are sending her back but haven't heard anything from them since Friday and I've texted them numerous times and messaged them on here but no word from them any advice on what i could do or should i just cut my losses

You traded to someone from here on BP ?

We need some more information please. What were you trading for ? Did you receive what they agreed to send ? Do you have copies of all communication between you and this person ? Did they provide photographic evidence of the supposed problem ? What about a copy of the vet report ? What terms were agreed upon before the trade in case of problems ?

Pleas provide as much information as you can.

Gale

I would call them and leave a message, email them and text them that they have 24 hours to contact you or you are going to post a thread on the BOI at Fauna and go to the authorities. Once that 24 hours has elapsed, I would contact the local police department and explain what happened and post a BOI thread. I wouldn't expect the police to do anything, but you never know. If it goes that far, I would also post a thread here since this is the forum where you met the person.

How long had the person had their profile here? Make sure they didn't set up a dumby account to just scam you.

^ I agree. I had something similar happen to me, but it was in the dog world (I also am highly involved with the world of canine competitions).

Anyways, this is how we would catch a "runner":
1. Call/text/email and leave a message with a warning of how you will contact the authorities, post his information online, and track him down via internet, phone or whatever.
2. Send a professional letter with warning
3. Call at different hours from different numbers
4. If you really want to catch them, then you could possibly hunt them down in person (I don't recommend this really, but I've done it before with success)

When this fails, go to authorities (the animal control is a good one, or other herp clubs/rescues/organizations near the trader's home), post in every forum about snakes warning about him, and possibly find someone who knows computers that can hack.

If the authorities don't want to help, then you can go on saying the animal's worth, how people who do illegal things with snakes can be related to worse criminal activities, they might release the snake causing problems with invasive species (if this is in the south), etc...

I hope this helps. Good luck finding your baby.

I never received my half of the trade which was a granite possible het ghost and het albino females and no photographed evidence of the problem was provided and the vet report was never provided either

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Originally Posted by CBconstrictors

I never received my half of the trade which was a granite possible het ghost and het albino females and no photographed evidence of the problem was provided and the vet report was never provided either

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sounds like a scam to me. i would warn people of them and also make a report to the authorities using the address you sent the snake to.

Thanks for all the help and advice

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Originally Posted by CBconstrictors

Thanks for all the help and advice

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since it happend here you wouldn't mind saying who it was just so it doesn't happen again

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Originally Posted by JaGv

since it happend here you wouldn't mind saying who it was just so it doesn't happen again

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if your not wanting to post the name publically on this thread, at least let an admin know of the situation.

Wow, I'm so sorry.
I can't stand scammers.

What's with all the name protecting? Are you enjoying being a victim too? Put up a bad guy post on fauna, provide any info you have here and there.

Publicity is the only way to stop this. Did you initiate the trade or did the other person contact you?

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What's with all the name protecting? Are you enjoying being a victim too? Put up a bad guy post on fauna, provide any info you have here and there.

Publicity is the only way to stop this. Did you initiate the trade or did the other person contact you?

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I agree, it helps others from being scammed we work hard to get our snake only to be taken advantage of.

Yes in this case it was a scam and the name should be released

I think the name should be released to help others avoid this person


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If you haven't gotten your snake back, who was it?

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Agreed. This appears to be a scam (especially since you didn't recieve your half of the trade). It's time to release the information and take the appropriate steps. Start a thread on the BOI. The members there have plenty of experience tracking people down, getting the information you need and helping you build a case. Several members there are figures of authority, and familiar with what you need to do to attempt to get this sorted as best you can.

Good luck. At this point, it's time to step up the game and get the information out there. You'll be surprised as how many people would be willing to help you.

A little bleeding at the vent during a shed should be normal right? That person is trying to make excuses. I definitely smell a scumbag and a scam. Hope you get back your snake!

I'm not trying to protect his name i just haven't been on here yet I've been at work since 430 am and his name on here is Mrl249 and real name is Mark lopez and still no word from him

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Originally Posted by CBconstrictors

I never received my half of the trade which was a granite possible het ghost and het albino females and no photographed evidence of the problem was provided and the vet report was never provided either

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Did you ever get photos of the females in question?

I just ask, as this person's profile says it's their first year breeding and that they need help. So how would they end up with a Granite possible het Ghost and a het Albino female, when their 'Collection' is male heavy? Male Spider, Male Pastel and Female Normal. I just don't understand where he got the female hets. And why he's letting females go with a male-heavy collection when he's supposedly getting into breeding.

Maybe I missed something?

Hi,

They haven't been online here since the 15th.

My advice call the person and tell them that you want this situation resolved within the next 48 hours.

They can either ship your animal back or follow through with their end of the bargain.

In the mean time gather all your emails showing who initiated the trade, what the trade was for , picture of the animal, copy of the ad if it applies, tracking number etc so you can make a case, it might not get your animal back however it will allow others not to fall for the same scam.

Make the person aware of the thread as well so they can give their version also.

Dealing with people that have no reputation or have not been present online for a very long length of time are some major red flags to me hate that you have to learn this the hard way.

There was a "Lopez" on Facebook trying to scam, as well. Via multiple accounts. I block anybody named Lopez, now.

Did you really think you were going to get a granite and multiple het. albino females for a pastel?? Especially considering this thread...Is this a granite?

BOI for sure

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Originally Posted by CBconstrictors

I never received my half of the trade which was a granite possible het ghost and het albino females and no photographed evidence of the problem was provided and the vet report was never provided either

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Are these the snakes he was going to send?

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...eal!-Will-Ship!

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I'm not trying to protect his name i just haven't been on here yet I've been at work since 430 am and his name on here is Mrl249 and real name is Mark lopez and still no word from him

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Really?
Mr Mark Lopez here in San Antonio.
I heard some stuff about him through LSRS.:confusd:

CBconstrictors i sent you a PM. :gj:

CBconstrictors
b25wolfpack is here in San Antonio with me

Just curious
how did you pack your BP?

I'm the girlfriend to the person who posted this thread. To answer your question about packing we actually ordered a kit. The snake was in a deli cup then we put newsprint around the deli cup so she wouldn't shift. The box was also insulated with 3/4 inch Styrofoam. The box had holes In it on all sides. We shipped her over night through ship your reptiles. I hope that answers your question.

I just want to say thank you for everyone who is helping.

He has 52 post and most are about making a trade. You should make a theft report with the police. Make sure to give them his email.

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I'm the girlfriend to the person who posted this thread. To answer your question about packing we actually ordered a kit. The snake was in a deli cup then we put newsprint around the deli cup so she wouldn't shift. The box was also insulated with 3/4 inch Styrofoam. The box had holes In it on all sides. We shipped her over night through ship your reptiles. I hope that answers your question.

I just want to say thank you for everyone who is helping.

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Yep, if she had no health problems before, she wouldn't have health problems the next day.
I hope you get your snake back.

Whoa whoa whoa, look everyone, I haven't had a phone in 4 days. I turned on this new phone and all this is going on. There is no "scam" going on! Why would I scam or a pastel?!? I don't appreciate all this over a little confusion, I barely got cb constrictors phone number again yesterday and have not been on bp.net all week, (no access to a computer at home. I'm always on through my iphone. I have contacted him for an address to send it back to ( which was on my old phone !) but have not gotten any information back.His snake is here and is in perfect condition. She has shed and eaten. Here she is. I apologize to everyone about all this confusion and just wanted to clarify every thing, I will provide a tracking number as soon as they pick her up. http://img.tapatalk.com/a6937b97-47e4-ac7d.jpg

Just got all the shipping Information. She should be on the way soon.

Great to hear from you, mrl249! I hope this is just a big misunderstanding and that everything is resolved!

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His snake is here and is in perfect condition. She has shed and eaten.

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Just curious why you're sending her back if she's in perfect condition?

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Whoa whoa whoa, look everyone, I haven't had a phone in 4 days. I turned on this new phone and all this is going on. There is no "scam" going on! Why would I scam or a pastel?!? I don't appreciate all this over a little confusion, I barely got cb constrictors phone number again yesterday and have not been on bp.net all week, (no access to a computer at home. I'm always on through my iphone. I have contacted him for an address to send it back to ( which was on my old phone !) but have not gotten any information back.His snake is here and is in perfect condition. She has shed and eaten. Here she is. I apologize to everyone about all this confusion and just wanted to clarify every thing, I will provide a tracking number as soon as they pick her up. http://img.tapatalk.com/a6937b97-47e4-ac7d.jpg

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The OP said they sent the pastel thru SYR, so their fedex label has their address on it. Were the normal females that you had posted for trade the same you were trading for the pastel? If so, why are they now hets? Fill in some blanks for us. If it was all just a misunderstanding then make sure everything gets cleared up...

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I just want everything back to normal as if nothing happen, I saw that someone doubted the granite because of my old posting. I bought her at a granite price and I was questioning if I got ripped off because I have seen some granites with extreme speckling. I even told Cory that I bought her as a granite. I have gotten numerous clarifications about her being a granite (her mother also has the same speckles but not as many) and since I paid for her at that price then I consider, along with others, that she is. I love the pastel he shipped me and I'm sure the bleeding was NOT a HUGE problem after all, but I had not seen anything like that before.I have spent over $800 dollars this last month and a half just in snake vet visits and treatments alone and cannot afford anymore so I just want to be safe. I'm not saying his animals aren't well taken care of or anything like that I'm just being pre-cautious.

Sounds a little odd to me, too. Don't mean to be piling on, but if I had someone's property I would contact them to let them know what is going on with it - especially if it is a live animal. Lots of different ways to contact a person. It isn't like CBconstrictors was trying to hide. Last I remember, mailing labels for Fedex have phone numbers on them. Just because your cell phone doesn't work, doesn't mean there aren't ways to contact him and let him know what is going on.

so were the snakes het for something or whats going on with that? het ghost and albino

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The OP said they sent the pastel thru SYR, so their fedex label has their address on it. Were the normal females that you had posted for trade the same you were trading for the pastel? If so, why are they now hets? Fill in some blanks for us. If it was all just a misunderstanding then make sure everything gets cleared up...

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She escaped the deli container, crapped and pissed all over the box. That thing is long gone. I have a perfectly new SYR box which I had ordered months ago for a trade that had fallen through so I am sending him the new one. And no the normals I had on here were from along time ago, all normals are gone I have 1 Poss het albino. I told Cory that I bought her for Het Albino Price and that I did not get any paperwork or documentation that she was het and that I had not proven her out, I informed him about this and he said ok.

She was in the deli container in the picture you posted, and the box looked fine in picture too. So what happened?

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Dude, are you serious, it's not this hard. Obviously I wouldnt send him a snake with a box pissed on and covered in poop, I threw it away when I got the snake. The picture is one I JUST TOOK of her ready to be sent back. I just explained this whole process. That why I said "she is ready to go" and yeah I washed the deli container and put her back in it.

Cbconstrictors, do you have pics of the animals he was going to send you? And is the pic he posted with the pastel in the deli your box/packaging or his?

MrL249, we are not trying to go against you or try to sully your name unwarranted. We just want to make sure everything is on the up and up...

No offense, but its hard to take someone on their word when their integrity has been questioned. We are just trying to give you the opportunity to make things right...

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I completely understand and that is why I am here answering all of yalls questions.

Perhaps I'm stepping out of bounds or not familiar with the agreement. However....

From what I have read of Trades, it is typical for both parties to send their animals out at similar times, so that each party has a tracking number and it limits the problems for scamming (not by much, but it's a quicker reassurance).

So here are my concerns, as an outside perspective:

What were the agreements on the timeline for the trades? What did you and the OP agree to for this exchange? Were you both to send out animals at the same time? I ask, because it seems odd that you would not send out your animals as your half of the trade. Perhaps the OP can let us know what the agreement was.

I don't know. I'm just not feeling why you want to return the animal, especially after you didn't even send out yours yet. It just kind of comes across as: "I'm going to wait and see this animal in person, then decide." I imagine that's just my prespective and perhaps I'm completely out of line.

Did you contact the snakes owner about the vet visit? Do you have photographs of why you felt you needed to take it into the vet?

If the vet also told you this was normal, why did it scare you so much about this animal? If I were unsure of a vets diagnosis, then I'd definitely come here with some photos and get feedback from people here with more experience.

Wish I could be more helpful here. It's definitely not an easy situation, especially with people like myself posting about it, haha.

Either way, even if you guys don't post here, PLEASE communicate with each other. Even if a transaction doesn't work out, I hope all the snakes are alright.

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Perhaps I'm stepping out of bounds or not familiar with the agreement. However....

From what I have read of Trades, it is typical for both parties to send their animals out at similar times, so that each party has a tracking number and it limits the problems for scamming (not by much, but it's a quicker reassurance).

So here are my concerns, as an outside perspective:

What were the agreements on the timeline for the trades? What did you and the OP agree to for this exchange? Were you both to send out animals at the same time? I ask, because it seems odd that you would not send out your animals as your half of the trade. Perhaps the OP can let us know what the agreement was.

I don't know. I'm just not feeling why you want to return the animal, especially after you didn't even send out yours yet. It just kind of comes across as: "I'm going to wait and see this animal in person, then decide." I imagine that's just my prespective and perhaps I'm completely out of line.

Did you contact the snakes owner about the vet visit? Do you have photographs of why you felt you needed to take it into the vet?

If the vet also told you this was normal, why did it scare you so much about this animal? If I were unsure of a vets diagnosis, then I'd definitely come here with some photos and get feedback from people here with more experience.

Wish I could be more helpful here. It's definitely not an easy situation, especially with people like myself posting about it, haha.

Either way, even if you guys don't post here, PLEASE communicate with each other. Even if a transaction doesn't work out, I hope all the snakes are alright.

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Its is common practice to ship at the same time. Sometimes people are affriad of getting a raw deal and decide that one person should ship first, then when that animal arrives the other ships promptly.

If there is a believed issue with an animal, the sender needs to be notified first and foremost. Taking the animal to the vet is something that will be discussed between both parties so there is no guessing going on.

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From what I have read of Trades, it is typical for both parties to send their animals out at similar times, so that each party has a tracking number and it limits the problems for scamming (not by much, but it's a quicker reassurance).

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Actually no it’s not and it does not guarantee anything at all, one of the person can send an empty box if their intent is to scam someone they will.

I generally do not do trade however trade come down to the person’s references and or reputation.

If someone wants to trade their animal with me THEY will have to ship first, upon receiving and inspecting the animal I would then ship the animal that was agreed upon, works the same as receiving payment, you pay first get the animal once paid, here is you send your animal you get yours once received.

If I was contacting someone to trade my animal, I would expect to ship first.

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Actually no it’s not and it does not guarantee anything at all, one of the person can send an empty box if their intent is to scam someone they will.

I generally do not do trade however trade come down to the person’s references and or reputation.

If someone wants to trade their animal with me THEY will have to ship first, upon receiving and inspecting the animal I would then ship the animal that was agreed upon, works the same as receiving payment, you pay first get the animal once paid, here is you send your animal you get yours once received.

If I was contacting someone to trade my animal, I would expect to ship first.

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I phrased my comment about the reassurance a little differently. Lets say that the persons involved are not heavily in the industry. For instance, you have a very solid reputation. Two people that are just hobby members do not have that priviledge.

To some degree, by having the exchange of tracking numbers the same day gives you the chance to know sooner whether you are getting ripped off or not. Yes, absolutely they can send an empty box. But that still costs money and effort on the scammers part too, so that might weed out a few of the really lazy ones. I more meant by my comment that same-day shipping trades allows you to have an immediate tracking number and an idea of that person is being serious or not.

It's no guarentee at all. It's more a litmus test to see sooner rather than later if the deal is going to go sour. Perhaps give you a better heads up and be able to respond more quickly to the issue.

Unless it was a direct face-to-face... I would never do a trade. It just leaves too much to risk. All I have to do is read the BOI and I know it's not something to enter into lightly. Especially with just HOW many things can go wrong.

You are right. I just wanted to clarify what I meant to avoid confusion :gj:

In this case, seeing as both parties aren't heavy into the business side of the hobby, this just seems like a risky transaction. Not for the people, just for the element of the unknown with both parties.

Let me just start by saying im not trying to cause any problems but im the girlfriend of CBconstrictors i packed the pastel up and for the life of me i can't figure out how she got out of the deli cup. I felt horrible about that. To answer some questions the snakes were supposed to be shipped the same day. The guy told us that he wasn't home and his wife was supposed to ship the snakes. We later that day got a text saying when he got home his wife didn't send the snakes because the box he had for them she had used and he didn't know. Then he received our pastel and told us she was bleeding from her vent and had shed in the box. The next day he said he took her to the vet and said the vet said that it wasn't anything to worry about. He told us that he was worried about her breeding in the future. My boyfriend told him it was ok if he didn't want to trade and just send her back. He said he would and that he was just going to use the box we sent her in because it was packed good. Im not trying to start anything but somewhere the information is changing and i don't understand why.

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