Mystery clutch is hatching....

I picked up 5 normal females in a trade. The previous owner said that none had been paired. So about two months later I look in the rack and I have a clutch of eggs. Well the first is out and I'm clueless. The little girl has some very muted color and nice blushing. Some of which goes completely around. I took pics as best I could and put a normal with her for comparison. Any input on possibilities would be great. After she sheds I will get more pics and pics of her clutch mates as well. http://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-22bc-9baf.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-22cf-5f0a.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-22f4-dd91.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-2327-d037.jpg

Beautiful little girl!

I'd love to see a good shot of the top of her head. Once she shed's you might be able to get a better idea, but goodness what a little beauty.

Gale

I just wish I knew what it is lol. Thanks. I'll try to get a head pic.

http://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-25f9-4c1e.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-2609-43b8.jpg

Two more under different lighting. She almost looks like a bad pastel lol. It's the lights though. She is very muted in color.

Hi,

Wait till after the first shed - the colours change and it should make it easier. :)



dr del

Looks like a pastel. Is the belly clear?

If its a pastel, it's gonna be the ugliest example ever lol. The pics that show the yellowish color are from the lighting. It's actually brownish tan. No real yellow coloring at all.

Looks phantom-ish to me. I definitely don't see pastel. I vote NOT normal :gj:. Sweet surprise! Can't wait to see the rest of them worms!

maybe a vanilla?

It is as Derek said. You are better off waiting until after it sheds to try to compare it to anything, let alone try to figure out what it is. I had a some cinnamons hatch out a couple years back that looked almost silver until after their first sheds because colour was still coming in... That stated, I do spy some marks on the one shot with part of the belly showing that resemble the het pied "train tracks." Do you have any info on any owners prior to the one you purchased from?

Looks like one beautiful normal.
With some great features such as its blushing and flames.
But definitely not a pastel.
Normal is my vote.
They very so much and some have amazing patterns
That just throw people off all the time.
Best thing to do is breed her/him when its ready :-)

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We need to wait until she sheds, but boy she's got a few marks that really make me want to say she's something besides normal.

I can't wait until she sheds out and see if any of my suspicions prove true.

Gale

Well according to the previous owner, one of the normals was paired with a pied male and a bumblebee. Looks like they are gonna be het for pied. But I still can't get over the blushing and colors. I'm gonna definitely hold on to these. Just in case.

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Originally Posted by Sean Hall

Well according to the previous owner, one of the normals was paired with a pied male and a bumblebee. Looks like they are gonna be het for pied. But I still can't get over the blushing and colors. I'm gonna definitely hold on to these. Just in case.

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Well if they were paired with a pied and bee then the babies very well could be bee off spring. No guaruntee that the pied is the pop. Either of these could produce normals or normal looking snakes. Dont jump at that conclusion just yet

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Looks phantom-ish to me. I definitely don't see pastel. I vote NOT normal :gj:. Sweet surprise! Can't wait to see the rest of them worms!

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Based on the look, it seems a little phantom/mystic-like. Not sure where that would have come from, though.

Can you post pics of the mom?

Well number two is out. The mystery continues. One thing that was very noticeable is 5 out of 6 have a long stripe beginning behind the head, with each stripe having a black dot in the center just behind the head. Is that a coincidence or could it be genetic?
http://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-2c7e-9ea4.jpg
I don't mean to sound like I'm an idiot, but there is something that is just not normal with these guys lol. I wish they'd hurry up and shed lol.

Well number two is out. The mystery continues. One thing that was very noticeable is 5 out of 6 have a long stripe beginning behind the head, with each stripe having a black dot in the center just behind the head. Is that a coincidence or could it be genetic?
http://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-2c7e-9ea4.jpg
I don't mean to sound like I'm an idiot, but there is something that is just not normal with these guys lol. I wish they'd hurry up and shed lol.

Everyone is outhttp://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-72e9-671b.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-7308-4e13.jpg
All but one have the long stripe with the dot.
Here's a pic with a normal to attempt to show the color difference. I know after the shed they might color up a little but it seems quite drastic. http://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-7389-269f.jpg

Yeah they are strange... Thats cool and if 5 out of 6 have the stripe dot thing it could be genetic. Does mom have that too?

No. She doesn't. She looks completely normal. She is really overall darker than the other normals I have though. I guess all of them will stay with me. At worst they are all het for pied.

id say theres a high chance tht it is genetic even something new so who knows !haha i love dinkers

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No. She doesn't. She looks completely normal. She is really overall darker than the other normals I have though. I guess all of them will stay with me. At worst they are all het for pied.

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I wouldn't feel safe calling them het piebald for sure considering two things: 1) that you didn't do the pairing, and 2) that you were told she wasn't paired at first, only to later be told that she was paired with a piebald and a bumblebee. If you're going to keep them like you say, it is no big deal. Just be careful if you do end up selling any.

Their colour looks right for normal hatchlings, and you won't be able to prove anything genetic unless you're willing to do some line breeding. Even then, chances are low that you will prove anything apart from having some normals with an interesting pattern; the patterns of normal ball pythons can be quite variable, and very few of what people like to call "dinkers" these days are actually something genetic.

They really do brighten and darken up a lot after that first shed though, you'll see. Thought I had a good example for you, but looks like the photos were mislabeled on my website. I'll see if I can find another. Best of luck though with whatever you plan to do with them. The neck spot most of them have is pretty cool.

Here's the example I wanted to show you. This female came out of the egg really light like yours, as shown in the first photo. However, she darkened to the typical P. regius colour after her first shed, shown in the second photo.

http://www.russreptiles.com/images/g...mal02-08_1.jpg

http://www.russreptiles.com/images/g...mal02-08_2.jpg

My hopes aren't high, but I'm still excited. As for being her for pied, if I sell any they will be to the original owner. He has already asked if I'd be interested in selling the females. I wouldn't sell them as hets to anyone else. I'd just keep them.

Maybe a solved mystery! Do they look like they could possibly be fires? While cleaning a tub out several months ago I put the fire male in with another female. Briefly.
The reason I ask, I just went and cleaned the racks and realized the fire male has an identical stripe and spot just behind his head. http://img.tapatalk.com/b82b70be-a463-8f1d.jpg

I would wait tell they shed, but they look like a sulfur or fire.