Keeping My Mouth Shut! Mad They Strike again!

OK, so here is why I need to keep my mouth shut! Recently I received a new purchase from a bigger breeder & very well known person. Let me start by saying up until I got my FedEx package I was happy with this seller. The box arrived unmarked, brown standard shipping box. No insulation panels. No cushioning no Receipt, just a plain snake in a used Bag (because the bag had been relabeled from the original snake crossed out and added with different color sharpie). The snake even seemed to be upset, guessing from being shifted from one side of the box to the other. The box was huge by the way something around 24x24x16 for a Juvie Ball python. I will not bring any names into the because from what I have seen over the years are people always bashing the OP and I do not want to hear it. I don't care how great he was to you or you never had an issue. I am telling you that I DID! I felt that he knew he would be able to send it like he did because if I said anything his name would speak for himself! BTW I did my research and he was highly recommended. I have bought and should hundreds of snakes and would never do what I got. Also it was not a cheap snake. Thousands paid and packaged as if it was heat tape. Garbage!!!! OK I feel better. Please do not ask for a name I am venting. :taz: Thanks for reading.

Jonathan

well now you are going to get flamed. not for the rant but for the rant without naming the seller.

oh...and in my experience, most of the really big breeders have help to pack and ship. have you made the seller aware that you are unhappy? what did he/she say?

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Originally Posted by cecilbturtle

well now you are going to get flamed. not for the rant but for the rant without naming the seller.

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Gonna have to agree with this...if you're gonna put the info out there in matters like this, put it all out...otherwise it's best kept to yourself.

I think it would be beneficial to share who you are talking about to prevent other people from going through the same thing. Your snake arrived okay despite the conditions, but someone else might not be so lucky.

Just my opinion. I don't think anyone's going to flame you so long as you are telling the truth.

Keeping back the sellers name and not putting this on the BOI and the inquiry section of this site is doing a disservice to future customers of this breeder/seller.

Everything you've said would put me squarely on your side, I'm pretty sure you would have wanted to know this information before hand if given that chance.
This certainly can't be the first time they shipped like this :confused:

Put up or shut up imo.

Again I am choosing not to voice their name. My choice, flame all you want. Been in this hobby way to long to know nothing good comes from calling people out. I just was venting. Not looking for your approvals. NO the BOI is great but there are little cliches that all back each other up and it becomes so cluttered with others voicing there garbage it takes away from the post. I am not asking for money back or any other compensation. Yes they have help ,but I do believe they are trained how to properly ship snakes. Still should be making sure the quality of shipments as its His name on the line. I made him aware of how I felt! I was polite and I informed him I will not repeat business with him. THIS WILL BE MY ONLY RESPONSE I POSTED HERE TO VENT. That is all! If you dislike that fact Oh well. Thank you and yes the snake is alive and in QT.

maybe you have been in the hobby a long time but obviously not on the forum for very long, because then you would know that throwing up a post like this only hurts your reputation.

well if youre not going to name the seller then there was absolutely no point to post this thread imo... I really hope i dont make the mistake of buying from him. Please PM his name if you want, i really would like to know so i am careful doing business with him.

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Originally Posted by trivtrivsocal

I informed him I will not repeat business with him.

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So basically, all of us who are reading your rant can screw off because you're afraid of naming the breeder? Well...thank you very little...

You are doing the rest of us a disservice by keeping the name to yourself. Suppose someone else gets the same service from this breeder but it turns out to be worse. By telling the readers who it is you are only informing us.

Jonathan, I see you're still logged in. How many times have you pulled up this thread to review it? I'm guessing you pull it up every time you see a reply, right? Over and over and over again. Has this thread solved any problems for you? No, it hasn't. Has this thread provided any useful info that anyone on this forum would appreciate? No, it hasn't.
:rofl:

Made ya pull up this thread again, didn't I, Jonathan? :D

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Originally Posted by GoFride

Made ya pull up this thread again, didn't I, Jonathan? :D

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haha...awesome! :gj:

I am sorry, OK everyone here is right I am wrong for venting on this forum. Please disregard my post as it is not going to help anyone. I am sorry. I withheld his name to avoid being in arguments with others. Back fired just as bad. You can all rest assured this is the last post on BP for while as it has come to my attention that I upset you all. I am sorry but I chose to keep that info with myself as I had seen what bigger names in the hobby can do to reps. Much more then getting flamed on a Forum or Two.

Jonathan

It feels almost like you're trying to extort something from the seller by leaving this lingering threat out there..

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Originally Posted by trivtrivsocal

Please disregard my post as it is not going to help anyone.

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It would help everyone if you named the seller....

But regardless I'm sorry to hear about the bad packaging: my bf got a snake who was packaged HORRIBLY and I always feel bad about what the snake had to go through.

I am also curious about this "BIG" purchase. what was it you bought? am I the only one?...

Eh I'm not mad at you, would it be helpful to let others to know? Yes. But I understand you not wanting to ruin someone's reputation. Sometimes you just have to rant.

Can we see some pics of the snake? Maybe the bad packaging too?

Vent to your grandma who has no idea who he/she is , or get a diary. Posting here, like everyone said does you no good. Hope everyone is safe from this breeder, or your too uptight about the packaging. (alot of uptight's out there)

You should buy a diary, OP.

i don't believe this snake would be from a a big name breeder. if it was a big name breeder they would of done everthing right because after all their reputation depends on the customers satisfaction one mistake is alot to a well known breeder.

What does that mean, 'uptight' about the packaging? There's really a limited number of ways to legitimately package a reptile.

1) Insulated box. This does two things--it protects the animal from temperature extremes and sudden changes, and it helps keep the box crush-proof. It's required by Fed Ex regulations. So, insulated box is not optional.

2) Snake bag or deli cup. If the box gets a gaping hole torn in it by some piece of machinery along the way, you don't want the animal to take off. It's also required by Fed Ex regulations. Not optional.

3) Crumpled paper or other good padding. This prevents the animal from slamming around inside the package when it's tossed around by handlers. So, it prevents the animal from being injured, and thus, is not optional.

4) Correct marking. Both Fed Ex and in the US, the Federal Lacey Act, require the box to be marked, on the outside, to indicate that it contains a live animal. Doubly NOT optional.

So again, what does 'uptight about packaging' mean? That a person receiving an animal wants the shipment to NOT MAKE THEM A CRIMINAL when they receive it, and they want the shipment to protect the animal from harm or escape?
If that's uptight, I really, really wish everyone was totally uptight....don't you?

Listen, I understand you want to vent. That isn't the issue, the issue is that if he's a known breeder many may buy from him and get screwed over. Think about that! You're just as bad as him!!! There, that's my venting.:rage:

"BOI is great but there are little cliches that all back each other up"

this is a very accurate statement. The little clicks and people talking out of their hind ends make BOI unbearable, to me.

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Originally Posted by cecilbturtle

well now you are going to get flamed. not for the rant but for the rant without naming the seller.

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Hate to say I told you so but.........wait a minute. I LOVE to say I told you so! ;)

Very upsetting, but as someone who is still shopping around for my first BP (esp with larger, well know breeders) information like this is a MUST. I came to this community to learn from the BOOTS ON THE GROUND to get into the hobby.

This is like a young lady who is assaulted by a date, then refuses to tell anyone to protect HIS reputation. It serves no purpose. If you're afraid of retribution, I guess that's your business.

Is there perhaps a more tactful way to do this in the future? Maybe create a burner account with the blessing of a mod to put out the name anonymously?

I would like to know, also. Even if just to be aware of it. It isn't fair to the rest of us for you to withhold the information. Seriously not cool. Man up already! Put on your big girl panties! You gave us 99% of the information but without giving us a name this whole thread was pointless and annoying.

to me, this is a gutless, pass aggressive way to deal with a problem. Maybe all you wanted was some attention. But if you truly want to address what sounds like a very bad situation, I think you should:
1.) Contact the seller and provide him with complete information about the bad shipment. Include pictures. Let him know how disappointed you are in a mature, upfront manner. I would expect that the breeder would be just as upset as you are that one of his creations was shipped in this manner and also the fact that a costly asset was put at risk by a careless employee. I would bet that the breeder would have thanked you, apologized pofusely and probably offered a partial refund or credit towards a future purchase to make things right with you.

2.) If the buyer did not adequately address this issue, you should man up and post complete info about the situation and name names so that other customers will noot face this situation and other snakes will not be put at risk

Like others have said, if all you want to do was whine about it, this was not the right place for that.

I am hoping your snake did not suffer any long term damage.

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I will not bring any names into the because from what I have seen over the years are people always bashing the OP and I do not want to hear it.

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When OP are questioned it's because their claim is questionable.

Is yours questionable? Maybe, maybe not, I do not know.

My question is what is the point of such a thread if you have no intention to share the name of someone who according to YOU has poor shipping practices? Kinda make a thread like this useless doesn't it?

Now are those really poor shipping practices? Do you have any pictures to support your claim/rant?

If it was me and I received an animal and I was as dissatisfied as you seem to be it would go this way.

1# I would contact the breeder, and return the animal for a full refund,

2# Once done if I believed there was a real issue with shipping which could jeopardize animals in the future I would not hesitate to make a very detailed post with pictures describing the shipping practices in question. and would not hesitate to provide a name as well so other potential buyers can decide for themselves whether or not they want to buy from that person.

When you have a less than desirable transaction with anyone in this hobby, you do every one in this hobby a disservice by not coming froward with all the details.

While this rant thread my have made you feel better, and certainly brought you some attention, what it really did was make you part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I certainly hope I don't have a similar experience with this same breeder, but now I can't make a more informed decision about who I should or should not purchase from because you are scared to participate in full disclosure. When you have right on your side, you should never be afraid to shine a light on what is wrong. Sorry you chose the easy path.

I find that very disappointing.

I thought Facebook was for Venting?
Some people just like attention I guess. Atleast it's not a post about an ingrown toe nail...

Anyone who's talking about attention, is giving it to them...

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Originally Posted by Wyldrose

I thought Facebook was for Venting?
Some people just like attention I guess. Atleast it's not a post about an ingrown toe nail...

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I actually made a thread about my ingrown toenail a little while ago... awkward...:P

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ve-Ever-Gotten

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Originally Posted by domenge

Anyone who's talking about attention, is giving it to them...

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A little ironic, no?

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Originally Posted by Slim

A little ironic, no?

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It's like ray-e-ane...on your wedding day...


what a terrible song...

:8::8::8:

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

I actually made a thread about my ingrown toenail a little while ago... awkward...:P

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ve-Ever-Gotten

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It's alright guys. It's obvious the OP doesn't want to inform us. May be theyre lying for all we know.

What a waste of thread space. :soapbx:

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Originally Posted by sho220

It's like ray-e-ane...on your wedding day...


what a terrible song...

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*awesome song

Ive got 10,000 spoons, can someone please hook me up with a knife though?

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Originally Posted by heathers*bps

What a waste of thread space. :soapbx:

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Dont hate, appreciate!

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Dont hate, appreciate!

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Oh, well, I'm just jealous I didn't think of a craptastical thread first :rolleye2:

I think the OP has a right to vent here, but I do agree that it would definitely be in the interest of the community for him to reveal the name. If he chooses not to reveal the name of the breeder, that's his choice - a risky one for his reputation and for the community, but not entirely unfounded.

Whether the name is revealed or not, a public complaint about a big breeder will not go unnoticed. OP, since you've already got some eyebrows raised, I would recommend just telling us. You have no reason not to since it appears you've already spoken to the breeder. People will question you even moreso if you refuse to give details about what happened because it detracts from the credibility of the report. I understand venting, and I'm sorry you had this bad experience... but now you've got everyone worried about their next purchase! ;)

I personally hate going on the Fauna BOI (although it does do more good than bad) and the tactics people use to find out who-done-it. It gets so out of hand and becomes personal. In my opinion, it's better off to grab a bowl of popcorn than participate in those witchhunts. So I'm out!! :P

IMHO, this is kinda like when someone makes a status on Facebook that says "Ugh I'm miserable this was the worst day ever. But I don't want to talk about it, don't ask" or when a preteen girl says she likes a classmate but won't tell her friends who.

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Originally Posted by heathers*bps

Oh, well, I'm just jealous I didn't think of a craptastical thread first :rolleye2:

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:bow: As human beings we cannot all possibly achieve the same level of higher thinking that you have clearly reached...:D

I think this thread is total BS. Some guy most of us have never seen here shows up out of the blue, drops a huge supposed problem in our laps, then says I don't want you to do anything about it I just wanted someone else to carry it for a while.

No one, and I mean NO ONE who gets treated that way says nothing. I don't care if some 14 year old bought a snake from Kevin McKurley himself, if it was shipped wrong or something else was wrong, he'd darn well tell everyone he could that Kevin was a jerk. To claim you received a snake from a "huge" breeder that was shipped so poorly it risked the snakes life and then to say, I'm mad but I'm not telling you who did it, is pretty farfetched.

I think he was bored, and just wanted to see how many people he could stir up. And since I could not resist posting to his pointless thread, I guess you can count me stirred and not shaken. :P

Gale

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The snake even seemed to be upset, guessing from being shifted from one side of the box to the other. The box was huge by the way something around 24x24x16 for a Juvie Ball python.

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I hate to bring this back up but after re-reading your original post there is something that makes me wonder about your entire claim (Guess you were right about OP's being called out)

Good news it can be clear up with pictures to support your claim. :gj:

What intrigues me is the size of the box, I have been shipping for some times now and here is what I can tell you about shipping carriers like Fedex, they charge a dimensional weight.

So my question is regardless of the breeder why would anyone use an oversized box which would approximately cost (I ran it myself) $236 to ship (and that was my me getting a quote to ship in the state that was the closest to mine)?

Does not make much sense if the breeder was trying to cut corners on everything else like you seem to claim? :confuzd:

If you don't want to name the breeder, at least put up pics of the box/snake.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I hate to bring this back up but after re-reading your original post there is something that makes me wonder about your entire claim (Guess you were right about OP's being called out)

Good news it can be clear up with pictures to support your claim. :gj:

What intrigues me is the size of the box, I have been shipping for some times now and here is what I can tell you about shipping carriers charge a dimensional weight.

So my question is regardless of the breeder why would anyone use an oversized box which would approximately cost (I ran it myself) $236 to ship (and that was my me getting a quote to ship in the state that was the closest to mine)?

Does not make much sense if the breeder was trying to cut corners on everything else like you seem to claim? :confuzd:

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VERY good point Deborah.