Beware of Casey Lauren Byiers (Rhasputin/EVLV/Eccentric Evolution)

Ok, this is more related to the pet/show rodent world, but I know that she is involved in the reptiles as well and is active on this site....so I want to tell as many people as possible about my experience with Casey.

A group of breeders in the US decided to go in on a shipment of mice from the UK. In the shipment asked for, and paid for, 2 abyssinian (a variety that was not available in the US at all) does and 1 buck (doe is female, buck is male for those who don't know mouse terms). I confirmed this multiple times with the organizer (to whom I am extremely grateful!). I have my pm records from the forum it was organized on to prove this. Casey claimed she asked for a buck and doe, but it is in the organizer's pm records (I've seen the screenshot) that she confirmed bucks only. I was not at the airport to pick up my animals (another friend was kind enough to pick them up for me and I met her on her way home to get them from her), and Casey decided to take a buck and doe, and left me with 2 bucks and 1 doe. So of course I want my doe....and Casey is claming she'd asked for a buck and doe all along, claiming she'd confirmed with the organizer multiple times she'd asked for a buck and doe, and said she probably didn't read the pm that confirmed 2 bucks... The organizer is saying she never asked for any does at all. So Casey is trying to keep my doe, said its all the organizer's mistake and her original "compromise" was that I could trade her back the buck AFTER she has a litter there... I offered to give her some offspring (no charge or anything) when she had them HERE, assuming I could get her before she had a litter. I have NO use for the 2nd buck...he is just sitting here taking up space...I am not outcrossing at all for at least a generation or 2, so he is pretty much completely useless to me (the other one has better rosettes)....I made no mistake at all, I just want my doe. I was told I was being selfish for wanting her, that she's not mine, and that I should just deal with it. I posted a thread on the forum on which the shipment was organized about the situation and Casey told me it was terrible idea to have done so....I hadn't spoken to her for a couple days...and decided I was going to drive to her house to try to reason with her to trade the mice.....this was Wednesday...so...it was a fun day. Some of the day was actually fun (we also used it as an excuse to visit family that leave in the same area she does)...and then there was the part where I tried to get my mouse. Randomly in the middle of the afternoon I recieved a text from Casey's cell number that she wanted to talk to me..I asked what she wanted and basically what was said was that if I had my thread removed from the other forum, THEN she would feel comfortable working with me to get me MY mouse.......admitting it was my mouse and trying to extort me into having the thread removed to get what already rightfully belongs to me. I told her I'd have to deal with it later....we happened to be on our way to her house, which she did not know. I did not tell her I was coming because I was honestly afraid she would euthanize the mouse before I had to chance to get there. So we showed up and the homeowners allowed us entry to their house and went to get Casey...she came in the room demanding to know how I had the right to show up at someone's house...telling me I had no right to be there...and demanding I leave. Since I know she does not have any ownership of the home, I told her the homeowner would have to ask me to leave. He asked me to look at the information I had about the mouse and then went to try to convince Casey to give her to me....he spent a while talking to her and she ultimately refused. So we told him to tell her we were going to call the cops...to which she still told him no, so we went down to the basement to talk to her ourselves and told her we were going to call the cops...to which she replied (and I'm paraphrasing) "go ahead, you won't be getting tis mouse today, the cops don't decide ownership so they won't do anything...I've been in this exact situation before." So we called the cops and the cop that responded spoke to her (while she continued to refuse and tell the cop it was up for debate as to who the mouse belongs to), but did say they can't do anything, we'd have to go to civil court. So rather than deal with any more bs we just left with the original buck...and I have no expectations of ever getting my doe.

See the boi for screenshots... http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=319760

Wow thats very unfortunate, ive always found rhasputins posts to be very informative on here.
Id like to give her a chance to respond though just in case theres another side to the story. But i mean u cant really make up those screenshots, they pretty much say it all. Sucky situation to be in.
Rhasputin: i encourage you to do the right thing and give back the mouse if you would still like to be welcome on this site. Theres no place in this hobby for lying thieves.

well yall won the most interesting police visit of the day for sure. I can only imagine the cops describing the mouse custody battle to their friends. XD

Hope everything gets sorted out.

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well yall won the most interesting police visit of the day for sure. I can only imagine the cops describing the mouse custody battle to their friends. XD

Hope everything gets sorted out.

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This. I am sure it a very frustrating predicament.

Ya had my interest right up to the point where you described " gaining entry into her home" to try and bully her into submission. If someone had done that to me in my home, they would have been looking down the barrel of my hand gun until the police arrived.

Lost all interest in your complaint after that...

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Originally Posted by Maixx

Ya had my interest right up to the point where you described " gaining entry into her home" to try and bully her into submission. If someone had done that to me in my home, they would have been looking down the barrel of my hand gun until the police arrived.

Lost all interest in your complaint after that...

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It wasnt her home. Permission was granted by the homeowners to enter and proceed with negotiations. If youre not the homeowner, you have no say in who gets to come or go. Also it seemed like the homeowners were on the OP's side. Otherwise they could have easily said get lost. Combining that with what Casey supposedly said about "knowing the law due to being in similar situations before" leads me to believe that the homeowners have had to deal with similar situations before.
Question to the OP: how old is casey and were the homeowners her parents? Just kinda curious...

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Ya had my interest right up to the point where you described " gaining entry into her home" to try and bully her into submission. If someone had done that to me in my home, they would have been looking down the barrel of my hand gun until the police arrived.

Lost all interest in your complaint after that...

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Then you would probably be sitting in the backseat of a cop car considering you pulled your gun on someone, somewhere that isn't your property. Also note that the property owner first spoke with Casey before allowing them to go inside.

You better believe that if someone has something that's mine without permission, I will show up to their house and "bully" them till I get it back. That's called stealing and in my opinion, stealing is a worse offense than bullying.

I was told before I decided to show up at her door, that I could "deal with it" and was not getting my mouse. I wasn't going to just let her keep what belongs to me without trying to get it back. I did not force entry anywhere. The homeowners (not casey's family) were told why were there and allowed us in. We did not go anywhere we were not invited. We sat in the living room while one of the homeowners went to the basement to talk to Casey (where she went after she yelled at me to leave). We told them we would call the cops when Casey did not give us the mouse, after she said no the homeowners told us we could go to the basement to talk to her (we didn't WANT to call the cops). After she told us no and ran with the mouse up to her room, we went outside and called the cops (though the homeowners told us we could stay in the house) and did not try to reenter.

I believe Casey is in her early 20's...but I am not sure.

She sounds like a child. Running up to her room with mouse in hand? How ridiculous.

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She sounds like a child. Running up to her room with mouse in hand? How ridiculous.

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I know thats why i asked how old she was lol
I thought she might be like a 15 year old and her parents were trying to teach her how to share...

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It wasnt her home. Permission was granted by the homeowners to enter and proceed with negotiations. If youre not the homeowner, you have no say in who gets to come or go. Also it seemed like the homeowners were on the OP's side. Otherwise they could have easily said get lost. Combining that with what Casey supposedly said about "knowing the law due to being in similar situations before" leads me to believe that the homeowners have had to deal with similar situations before.
Question to the OP: how old is casey and were the homeowners her parents? Just kinda curious...

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Then you would probably be sitting in the backseat of a cop car considering you pulled your gun on someone, somewhere that isn't your property. Also note that the property owner first spoke with Casey before allowing them to go inside.

You better believe that if someone has something that's mine without permission, I will show up to their house and "bully" them till I get it back. That's called stealing and in my opinion, stealing is a worse offense than bullying.

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It is unclear what the legal relationship is between Casey and the property owners. It is absolutely false that a renter does not have control over who comes and goes and that a landlord (or property owner) has such authority. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would sign a lease that says otherwise. I don't even know if such a lease would even be legal.

It does sound like she may be just renting a room which may change her rights from a whole house rental but it still doesn't mean she automatically gives up all rights entirely to determine who comes and goes.

The situation is that it is a home someone owns, with casey renting a bedroom and sharing the rest of the space. The homeowners have every right to say who comes and goes through the shared space.

Folks, I think the real topic at hand in this thread has little to do with who might have drawn a hypothetical weapon in a hypothetical situation that they themselves were not in. I'm as quick to debate the Second Amendment and personal protective rights as anyone, but let's save those discussions for the QT.

Please return to your regularly scheduled programing :gj:

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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky Dragons

It is unclear what the legal relationship is between Casey and the property owners. It is absolutely false that a renter does not have control over who comes and goes and that a landlord (or property owner) has such authority. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would sign a lease that says otherwise. I don't even know if such a lease would even be legal.

It does sound like she may be just renting a room which may change her rights from a whole house rental but it still doesn't mean she automatically gives up all rights entirely to determine who comes and goes.

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The homeowners welcomed her into their part of the house. A living room or foyer im assuming. Then casey retreated to the basement (her part of the house). The OP didnt say they chased her into the basement, they tried to have her come up and talk to them. Then they called the police.
This is how i read it, though i could be reading it wrong...

You read it mostly right...except that the basement is also shared space....that's why she ultimately ran away up to her bedroom

I think folks are really losing sight of the issue here. Obviously the homeowners, AND police, saw no issues with who was in the house.

The issue here is that it appears that someone stole something from someone else.

If it's true, that's a real scumbag move.

Somehow, I'm not surprised.

She's quick with opinions any other time. Where is she now?

Hey Casey, I'm about to get involved. You KNOW what that's going to do to you if you're lying right?

I'll give you until tomorrow morning before I start asking questions here and maybe over on fauna. At the very least your reputation, which has been pretty stellar up until today, isn't going to be worth a crap.

Admit the mistake, since it really seems like you made one, and move on. Don't shoot yourself in the foot over a mouse.

^ right over a mouse. What a crap situation. I would definately want what was owed to me as well. The fact that she's going to such extremes is a little off. Hopefully you can get this resolved.


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I wouldn't have made such a huge deal over this myself (it is "just a mouse"...but to be fair, it is a very valuable mouse since it is one of only 5 of its variety in the entire country) if it wasn't for the fact that as soon as I started saying anything about this to other people in the mouse community, I started getting stories from other people with bad dealings from casey. One person has posted on fauna already about sick animals she recieved from casey. I've heard other sick animal stories and non-payment stories from other people.....who had been keeping quiet b/c it is "just mice"

That's really immature of her to do :/ cant wait to see her response


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Just out of curiosity, why has this varity of mouse never been imported before now?

Looks like the United Mouse Club ought to start looking for a new president...

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I wouldn't have made such a huge deal over this myself (it is "just a mouse"...but to be fair, it is a very valuable mouse since it is one of only 5 of its variety in the entire country) if it wasn't for the fact that as soon as I started saying anything about this to other people in the mouse community, I started getting stories from other people with bad dealings from casey. One person has posted on fauna already about sick animals she recieved from casey. I've heard other sick animal stories and non-payment stories from other people.....who had been keeping quiet b/c it is "just mice"

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Small acts of dishonesty point to someone that can't be trusted in large business transactions. I'm amazed how fast small acts seem to combine and snowball once someone steps forward first (as you pointed out seems to be happening now in the mouse community). This theft doesn't seem so small either if the mouse is that rare and valuable here in the States.

Slim...it is a fairly new gene to the hobby to start with...its only been around for a year or two at all. Its also very expensive to import mammals...this shipment cost $2208, which came out to $50 per animal imported. That's a lot of money...and that's for over 40 animals....it is very difficult to get that many animals ready for a shipment at one time (keep in mind we are breeding show/pet animals and keep our litters small, do not breed our does back to back, and keep fewer animals per cage than most feeder breeders), and the only reason it worked is b/c a lot of people were working together and we had a lot of great breeders in the UK helping us out.

Thank you for that information.

I hate to hear stuff like this. She has always seemed to be an upstanding person with good advice when it comes to ASF's and rodents in general helping out the community. Unfortunately the silence says a lot in these types of situations.

On another forum she hasnt' been silent.....she called me disgusting and whined and moaned, but didn't offer up any sort of defense of her own actions....
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8010/7...59e65319_z.jpg
caseycallsmedisgusting by CSBeck, on Flickr

I also did not go in threatening to have her arrested. I went in wanting to trade the animals (give her her buck and get my doe), it was after she refused that I told her I was going to call the cops.

As I said over on Fauna, this act of dishonesty is completely disgusting and her response utterly immature. You very clearly have proof of her misconduct, and others have even stepped forward to corroborate your story. I'm sorry to hear about this. It is always sad to learn that one who was thought of fondly in the community is actually a despicable, dishonest thief.

I hope that somehow you manage to get your mouse back, and that when/if you do, she is still as healthy as the day she arrived.

I'm surprised Casey hasn't posted yet. If she's not going to (wo)man up and deal with the problem, I'd be surprised if anybody on this forum or others did business with her again. In the scheme of things, this is a small problem. However even small things can influence peoples' decision whether or not to conduct business with you.

Hello,
This is Tara Simmons, partnered to Lauren Kuta and part of Mason Dixon Reptiles. I was a part of this shipment and was at the airport that night. Here is my account of that evening and prior transactions with Casey. This is NOT her first time being underhanded and seedy.
That evening that the mice arrived was a nightmare. The flight was late and the mice were not on the import computer records. We had physical paperwork but not the computer back up so it took over 3 hours and 6 people helping before they released the mice. Then Casey met us at the door of the airport. She hovered over the mice as we opened the boxes and immediately started picking out the ones she thought were best. Even mocking the poor quality of the ones she rejected. (Which is doublely shameful to me. Since it insulted amazing mice and the people who very very generously gave them to us...as well as leaving the leftovers to the people who could not be there. Thank goodness her standards of what is good is not too great so great mice still were passed on.) She even attempted to take a mouse out of my hands that I was claiming.
She tried several times to put things in her cages that weren't hers. She slipped things into cages without a word and we had to keep counting over and over to make sure the numbers were right.
Nobody thought to question the genders of the abys that she took. And worst of all she tried to take mice without payment.
It was only because myself and the orgainizer put our foot down did she finally "find" a way to paypal Maggie though another friend. Otherwise she kept arguing that she owed anything...and then gosh, she didn't have cash...then she didn't have a atm card...then she didn't have a paypal account. So only then when we said she was not leaving with the rumpwhite buck until she paid did she find a way. It was rude and if we had not been strong women who knew she would pull this...Maggie would have never gotten paid back.
This is of course on top of the fact that she sold me a sick mouse that died. That happened this past fall. I arranged to get two show type splash mice. Both in breeding condition. What I got was a buck who was very out of shape and at least a year old, with no pedigree. He was however show type even if not good quality. The doe she gave me was a petstore mutt who was acting really odd at the time (running and flipping over and over) and who got sicker the next day. When I posted publicly what happened, she flipped out. She called me using another phone so I would not know it was her, and then cried and whined and begged me to remove the negative post. She even threaten me that I should not have used her name and ruined her reputation.
I was told multiple accounts by others she defrauded, and I am hoping they are willing to join and post here as well. I will not repeat second hand knowledge however.
x-posted on Faunas BOI

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On another forum she hasnt' been silent....

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Pretty interesting how she has no problem coming to her own defense, very recently, on a forum where nobody cares about the issue anyway. Speaks as loudly as her silence here does...considering she has been a very active member here as well.

Sorry to hear about this incident for both. I hope that this isn't going to be one of those long, messy ones that spirals out of control. I'd like to see it resolved swiftly and decisively. I hate it when a business is shut down and its reputation abated from a single action, but I am just as angered when a consumer is lied to and stolen from. I rarely go on the BOI anymore because it causes such a headache and oftentimes goes unresolved for months.

Good luck, OP. I know I'd never place a bet on "who done it" for these kinds of battles, but usually when the second party doesn't respond with a valid public rebuttal by this time, their "innocent-until-proven-guilty" defenses takes a huge hit. A post like hers that just complains rather than explains really destroys credibility. And, as far as I can tell, Rhasputin has seen this post as well. She was online BP.net at 7:57 PM today, a couple hours after the thread was posted.

She didn't even really come to her own defense...she didn't really defend herself....she just attacked me for telling people what she's done and is twisting words...like saying she offered to give me the mouse...which she did...but not without conditions...which is flat out extortion.

It's also not just what she's done to me...as you can see one other person has come forth and posted there so far...and I believe others will as well.

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On another forum she hasnt' been silent.....she called me disgusting and whined and moaned, but didn't offer up any sort of defense of her own actions....
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8010/7...59e65319_z.jpg
caseycallsmedisgusting by CSBeck, on Flickr

I also did not go in threatening to have her arrested. I went in wanting to trade the animals (give her her buck and get my doe), it was after she refused that I told her I was going to call the cops.

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Can you post a link to this thread?


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http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index...,307865.0.html

Wow. I am fairly new here (joined just a few hours ago, was sent this way to get help with my ball pythons) I came across this thread because it was in the "new threads" option and decided to read it. I do not blame the op for being upset. Nothing is every "just a-" whatever. Mice aren't "just mice" They can be beloved pets, and very valuable (as proven here) what "casey" is doing is stealing. Even if they are worth nothing, a mouse, or anything, can be irreplaceable in our hearts. Just because it has little to no monetary value does not make it worthless (as this mouse is clearly not)
There is really not much else for me to say that hasn't already been said, besides i wish you good luck and I hope this all gets sorted out soon. I would also love to hear what the "defendant" has to say.
Her silence speaks to me, it says she is guilty and in the wrong and she knows it, and she doesn't know what to say to try and make her seem like she is right. :)
Good luck to all involved.

I feel like I should mention something as well.
I am a breeder who was also involved in the shipment.
Normally I stay quiet because I'm a very timid sort of person.
But I feel like I am obligated to tell
about what I know since these people are already so courageous.
When I was a new user on one of the mouse forums I got really excited and was talking to three other people about starting a club since there were none that showed locally.

I started a thread which very quickly became hijacked by Casey, and soon after there was a new club I had nothing to do with.
This did not bother me, I'm a fluid person and I am very hard to offend.
It did make me aware of what she does.

However, on this new forum for this new club she started
there was one incident that I will never forget.

A lovely person I had never talked to before was bullied.
She was heavily pregnant and very sick so she decided to give up breeding mice.
She and her husband were giving people the opportunity to adopt any before they were put down. She even offered to bring them to people who were attending a nearby show.
She had at least 30 of her mice set aside for other people.
Room she didn't have and put out effort she was not supposed to be using.
Truth be told she was supposed to be -in bed- growing that baby.
Casey heard she was bringing mice to the hotel that she was also staying at.
And together with a few other people, she essentially made it impossible for her to
A)go to the show
B)Rehome any of the mice and
C) she isolated her.

I was the only one who stood up for that girl after they started mobbing her.
The thread was taken down and all evidence was cleared and she was booted off the site.
I spent a entire afternoon on the phone with this girl who was so stressed out from the way she was treated that she was even sicker than when she decided to give up the mice.
I find that downright..there are no words for that kind of cruelty.

That girl and what happened to her may not have anything to do with the shipment,
but I think it's just another one of those things that needs to be mentioned.
The ring leader in that was Casey.
Under the guise of admin.
That club is a sham.
It's a lovely idea to have a club locally but I've come to the realization that it's doomed to fail under a leader who is so...mean.


That being said I had thought that with such high stakes on our reputations,
that everyone would behave like civilized people. Almost everyone did.
I am utterly ashamed as one of the few who represent our fancy in the united states.
What she did, and continues to do is seen overseas, and I do not appreciate the possibility of being looked at and judged by one person's behavior.
It's taken something wonderful, and communal and turned it into something it never had to of been.


And Stina, I don't think my PM went through before, but do you have any need of a black mouse?
I have 6 and two tans if that helps at all. I know you didn't want to outcross yet, but the offer is there.

I feel awful that this has happened and if there is anything I can do, you let me know.

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I'm surprised Casey hasn't posted yet. If she's not going to (wo)man up and deal with the problem, I'd be surprised if anybody on this forum or others did business with her again. In the scheme of things, this is a small problem. However even small things can influence peoples' decision whether or not to conduct business with you.

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Theft isn't a "small problem". It's shady, dishonest and wrong.

OP, I hope things get worked out for you. I could understand your frustration with all this.

Like many others, I have also had negative experiences with Casey/Rhasputin. On one small animal site she left negative feedback for a transaction that never happened, and lied about me and my animals for no reason other than the fact that she could not come pick up the animals she wanted in time and claimed that I had denied them to her (we lived over 500 miles apart and she could not make it to pick them up). I got the impression that she really did believe the things she was saying, so I did not know how to reason with her like two adults would.

When she produced "proof" of conversations that never happened, I knew I was dealing with somebody that could not be reasoned with.

I then complained to the administrator of the site about the unwarranted negative feedback, and he said there was nothing that could be done, but the feedback mysteriously disappeared after he had a chance to discuss it with her, and he wouldn't tell me why he made the exception, other than that "circumstances demanded that I remove her feedback in this case."

At different small animal shows I have seen her do things with other people's animals (including theft) and I hope those people will speak up because it is important for new members and the general public to know what they're dealing with. I've only met her three times, but I feel bad for her because I wish she didn't make things so difficult on herself and on others. In many ways she is a bright young woman, and I really do wish her the best. But I won't be dealing with her in the future, and before others interact with her I encourage you to take a good look at her past behavior as an indicator of future behavior.

Jack Garcia, Jack's Mousery, ECMA, AFRMA
Louisville, Kentucky

I am not liking the looks of this and I also am not sure whether this thread ought to continue. BP.net isn't really the place for fauna-esque investigations and I think this thread might be better off locked and taken elsewhere.

Usually, when a bunch of new user accounts are created and people start "confessing" their similar experiences like sinners to the church, it's the work of someone trying to bloat evidence on their own behalf. Will someone check IP addresses on Jack, Stina, and Lycrisa?

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I feel like I should mention something as well.
I am a breeder who was also involved in the shipment.
Normally I stay quiet because I'm a very timid sort of person.
But I feel like I am obligated to tell
about what I know since these people are already so courageous.
When I was a new user on one of the mouse forums I got really excited and was talking to three other people about starting a club since there were none that showed locally.

I started a thread which very quickly became hijacked by Casey, and soon after there was a new club I had nothing to do with.
This did not bother me, I'm a fluid person and I am very hard to offend.
It did make me aware of what she does.

However, on this new forum for this new club she started
there was one incident that I will never forget.

A lovely person I had never talked to before was bullied.
She was heavily pregnant and very sick so she decided to give up breeding mice.
She and her husband were giving people the opportunity to adopt any before they were put down. She even offered to bring them to people who were attending a nearby show.
She had at least 30 of her mice set aside for other people.
Room she didn't have and put out effort she was not supposed to be using.
Truth be told she was supposed to be -in bed- growing that baby.
Casey heard she was bringing mice to the hotel that she was also staying at.
And together with a few other people, she essentially made it impossible for her to
A)go to the show
B)Rehome any of the mice and
C) she isolated her.

I was the only one who stood up for that girl after they started mobbing her.
The thread was taken down and all evidence was cleared and she was booted off the site.
I spent a entire afternoon on the phone with this girl who was so stressed out from the way she was treated that she was even sicker than when she decided to give up the mice.
I find that downright..there are no words for that kind of cruelty.

That girl and what happened to her may not have anything to do with the shipment,
but I think it's just another one of those things that needs to be mentioned.
The ring leader in that was Casey.
Under the guise of admin.
That club is a sham.
It's a lovely idea to have a club locally but I've come to the realization that it's doomed to fail under a leader who is so...mean.


That being said I had thought that with such high stakes on our reputations,
that everyone would behave like civilized people. Almost everyone did.
I am utterly ashamed as one of the few who represent our fancy in the united states.
What she did, and continues to do is seen overseas, and I do not appreciate the possibility of being looked at and judged by one person's behavior.
It's taken something wonderful, and communal and turned it into something it never had to of been.


And Stina, I don't think my PM went through before, but do you have any need of a black mouse?
I have 6 and two tans if that helps at all. I know you didn't want to outcross yet, but the offer is there.

I feel awful that this has happened and if there is anything I can do, you let me know.

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Thank you Lycrisa - for stepping outside your comfort zone and sharing your experiences as well.

I also agree that it speaks volumes that Casey has not bothered to address this here.

Your point about how one member of a hobby can put a stain on that hobby is exactly the type of thing that we as reptile enthusiasts are very familiar with and can empathize with - we deal with the same thing in our hobby.

I hope that this gets resolved for the OP, and that Casey grows up - because what's starting to emerge from various testimonies is a pattern of bad behavior from someone who's moral compass is clearly off.

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I am not liking the looks of this and I also am not sure whether this thread ought to continue. BP.net isn't really the place for fauna-esque investigations and I think this thread might be better off locked and taken elsewhere.

Usually, when a bunch of new user accounts are created and people start "confessing" their similar experiences like sinners to the church, it's the work of someone trying to bloat evidence on their own behalf. Will someone check IP addresses on Jack, Stina, and Lycrisa?

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I will check them - but...this thread will not be locked. This particular forum - Inquiries/Feedback is intended for exactly this type of investigation and was created for that purpose.

BP.net is NOT going to lock threads to protect even established members if they have come under scrutiny - we will allow it to play out and allow Casey to also share her side of the story and the members to respond.

If the thread makes you uncomfortable - you are welcome to just pass over it and read the hundreds of other threads on the forum. :)

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Originally Posted by rebelrachel13

Usually, when a bunch of new user accounts are created and people start "confessing" their similar experiences like sinners to the church, it's the work of someone trying to bloat evidence on their own behalf. Will someone check IP addresses on Jack, Stina, and Lycrisa?

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I just checked, and all three users have unique IP addresses. I'm not sure why it's suspect that folks from a MOUSE community would have no previous posts on a reptile community. :confused:

I understand. I didn't mean it in a way that we ought to protect or condemn either Casey or Stina, I hope it didn't come across like that. I just have seen how nasty these disputes can get, and how they can consume and damage a community. I hope this thread turns out for the best.

I read this entire post, and i can honestly say that this is insanity. This "Casey" person stole a "Valuble" mouse and is now lying about it? Big surprise, i dont know too many honest people these days, that is the real sad part about this. I completely understand the OPs frustration and feeling of betrayal from this LITTLE situation. But at the same time, i personally do not think that pursuing this person in court or on the street will solve much. That would be more of a hassle then what you have already gone through with this person. If i were you i would just chalk this one up in the Loss column and move on. Forget about it and move on with your original plans without her. Im pretty sure that she does not care how resentful you are towards her, when she got the mouse. It is absolutely sickening she would do this to begin with i know, stupid human behavior. I think you can settle down nicely now, knowing that her reputation is pretty much trash at this point and you will not ever have to deal with her in the future. :colbert:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I just checked, and all three users have unique IP addresses. I'm not sure why it's suspect that folks from a MOUSE community would have no previous posts on a reptile community. :confused:

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Thank you. I did make an introduction first and I've owned a few reptiles in the past. I just don't currently. I also babysat a ball python for a few weeks and loved it. I babysat a bearded dragon who had very severe bone issues because a previous owner had starved him. I know that doesn't "prove" my reptile credentials, but hopefully it gives you an idea of where I'm coming from.

And, for posterity's sake, here are some ribbon snakes of my old roommate's that I helped care for:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._1829117_n.jpg

Those guys are really funny-looking (and FAST!) and I hope to own some someday. :)

I'm starting to sense a pattern of behaviors from Casey that go beyond this dispute over an imported mouse. Some of the things being said on this Forum, and others that I've now read are disturbing and indicate the presence of a larger issue on Casey's part.

Casey, I urge you to speak up on your own behalf. This will not go away just because you remain silent.

Good Morning Casey. I'm sure you've had an excellent nights rest, are now eating a healthy breakfast and are preparing to either own up to your theft or getting prepared to be known forever as both a liar and a thief.

This thread will never go away and you KNOW the one on fauna will be there forever. I think now would be a good time to admit your mistake and do your best to make it right.

Unless you want to be known as a lying scumbag sack of crap like you're beginning to be known as of now.

Seriously casey, do the right thing.

I agree. Doing the right thing is often the hardest, but that's often what makes it right.