Hidden gene?

Can somebody please explain the hidden gene theory? Is that related only to womas?

Hidden gene womas are not the same as regular womas. They are a completely different morph. The name just throws people off. As far as what the gene it self is doing I do believe it's just like any other co dom. But I'm not 100% sure on that part. Hopefully someone else can clear that up if I'm wrong.

Hidden Gene Woma is just a single gene morph. The homozygous (super) HGW is called a pearl. It is normally lethal.

From my understanding the Hidden Gene in HGW is just part of the name. It's confusing cus you think something weird is going on but it's just a name. Im pretty sure it works just like all other regular co-doms. It is either passed on or not.

NERD originally thought that it was woma plus an extra gene, but in subsequent breedings decided that it is actually a separate co-dominant morph. They took a stab at calling it a 'Type 2 Woma', but the HG Woma name seems to have stuck.

It's not related to the woma morph, which appears to be a dominant gene, not a co-dominant gene. Womas will not produce a pearl, and there is a breeder who claims to have a homozygous woma which looks the same as heterozygous womas.

Think of it as being similar to the 'desert ghost'. It's called a ghost, but it's unrelated to orange/green/yellow ghost hypo lines, and it's also not a 'true ghost' (which is a combo morph).

Names can lead to a lot of confusion.

Additionally, when people say 'hidden gene', they're not always talking about the hidden gene woma. There are other genes out there might be referred to that way--for example, the 'Daddy gene' that turns lesser platinums into platinums.

Sometimes, I think I would be easier if we just numbered BP morphs...

"I'll have a #86, please!"

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Originally Posted by Slim

Sometimes, I think I would be easier if we just numbered BP morphs...

"I'll have a #86, please!"

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Lol

LOL. Yea, number them like a fast food drive thru. " I'll have a number 2, Super Sized please".
(Translation) " I'll have a Super Pastel please". HaHaHa. It would be much easier that way.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Womas will not produce a pearl, and there is a breeder who claims to have a homozygous woma which looks the same as heterozygous womas.

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happen to know who that breeder is? I'm interested.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Sometimes, I think I would be easier if we just numbered BP morphs...

"I'll have a #86, please!"

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Think periodic table of elements and all i can think is how mixed up I would be. lol

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

happen to know who that breeder is? I'm interested.

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I did, but can't remember it. It was one of the big breeders. No doubt someone else will pipe in, in this thread.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

NERD originally thought that it was woma plus an extra gene, but in subsequent breedings decided that it is actually a separate co-dominant morph. They took a stab at calling it a 'Type 2 Woma', but the HG Woma name seems to have stuck.

It's not related to the woma morph, which appears to be a dominant gene, not a co-dominant gene. Womas will not produce a pearl, and there is a breeder who claims to have a homozygous woma which looks the same as heterozygous womas.

Think of it as being similar to the 'desert ghost'. It's called a ghost, but it's unrelated to orange/green/yellow ghost hypo lines, and it's also not a 'true ghost' (which is a combo morph).

Names can lead to a lot of confusion.

Additionally, when people say 'hidden gene', they're not always talking about the hidden gene woma. There are other genes out there might be referred to that way--for example, the 'Daddy gene' that turns lesser platinums into platinums.

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Does that have anything to do with the "Platty Daddy" that Ralph Davis refers to alot?

Yes, the Platty Daddy is a Platinum, owned by Ralph Davis, and it's interesting that the first example of the Lesser gene to be imported was in a combo morph.. Platinums carry the daddy gene, and the lesser gene. Their offspring will EITHER be Lesser Platinum, or they will appear normal, and carry the hidden 'daddy gene'.

By breeding a daddy-gene-carrier to a lesser, you can get Platinums.

BTW, many people have never seen a Platinum, they're still pretty rare. Here's one at VPI:
http://www.vpi.com/sites/default/fil...111410_16o.jpg

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

BTW, many people have never seen a Platinum, they're still pretty rare. Here's one at VPI:
http://www.vpi.com/sites/default/fil...111410_16o.jpg

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I think that's the first time I have seen one. Sharp looking! Anyone know a round about price for a Ralphie D. Platty Daddy? I saw one of his youtube channels where he was showing off one right before he was getting ready to ship it out of the country. Some of you may have seen it. Gorgeous looking animal.

I saw someone selling a lesser as a hidden gene because it came from a clutch of souls suckers?

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Originally Posted by pythnsnkmn

I saw someone selling a lesser as a hidden gene because it came from a clutch of souls suckers?

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Kevin claims his lessers are special and only his lessers can make soul suckers. He calls them hidden gene lessers. Despite overwhelming evidence of others producing soul sucker looking animals from normal line lessers. Personally i dont see the HG lesser thing.