To try to prove out, or not?

If you've read my thread about my latest pickup, it is a female clown that is 66% pos het hypo. I already have future breeding plans for the clown female that did NOT involve hypo. Part of me wants to prove her out, but I really don't want to buy another male snake to prove her out. That's extra space, money, and another mouth to feed every week.

Would you go forward with your original plan? Or would you stop to try to prove her out?

Of course I could always get extremely lucky, and she ends up actually being 100% het hypo, and passes on that gene to the male holdback I want to keep to breed back to her :D. If that happens, I don't think I'd have anymore luck in this world! haha

If I bought any female 66% poss het anything, you'd better believe I'd be trying to prove her out...it only makes sense. Why go on down the line and produce 33% poss hets, then 16.5% poss hets, with no intent to prove her out when you could have just bought a plain old clown?

There are some who think that hypo may have markers that show through in hets. I jus picked up a normal het hypo female and shes definitely got some interesting markers. I dont have pics right now, but i may later today. My suggestion would be to compare her with other clowns and see if she seems "different" in any way. Male hypos, even het hypos arent that much either. You can buy one when shes ready to breed, and if she turns out to not be het then sell the stud. Just my .02! Hope her nose gets better fine :( (the sad face is im sad she looks that way)

I don't know what your original plans are but I would eventually try and prove she's het. In my case better to know than not know. You can wait on one of her babies to breed back to her. Or stick with your original plan, maybe even find a DH male that's het hypo and something else that fits right into your plans.

Two for ones are always better :). But you have time to figure it out and decide either way.

Breeding a nice high quality male Hypo or Hypo Pastel (POG) to her would end up with double hets or Pastel double hets at a minimum. Best case scenario you hit a Hypo or Pastel Hypo (POG) 100% het Clown. Both of those situations sound like wins to me but I'm partial to Hypo stuff in general :) Good luck with your decision!

Regards,

B

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

Breeding a nice high quality male Hypo or Hypo Pastel (POG) to her would end up with double hets or Pastel double hets at a minimum. Best case scenario you hit a Hypo or Pastel Hypo (POG) 100% het Clown. Both of those situations sound like wins to me but I'm partial to Hypo stuff in general :) Good luck with your decision!

Regards,

B

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Ah, I should have probably mentioned that I'm not too wowed by hypo combos, however i love black pastel and mojo hypos :bow:... I just don't really want to make hypo stuff! I want to start producing new stuff that nobody has seen!!

I picked her up because she's already 700 grams (703 by my scale - 705 at my vets - to be exact ;). She's a good looking clown, and the bonus was that she was possibly het hypo. I was just going to advertise her offspring as pos hets, but sell them at non-het prices.. So if I breed a pastel to her, I would just sell the offspring as pastel het clowns, but mention the cool fact that they could POSSIBLY be het for hypo :P.

Great points guys. This is still a hard choice for me >_>...

POG sounds like a good start, but I reaaaally don't want to bring home anymore snakes =s... Maybe I can trade my female pastel het clown for a hypo morph male or something o_O... :O EUREKA

Het red axanthic hypo and honeybee would be high up on my list as potential mates.

Honeybees would be sooo cool to have in the collection, but I don't really like spider clowns =p. Well.. I don't plan on producing spider clowns.. Just hypo something.. Maybe I should just get a really nice looking hypo male (no morph) just to prove out the clown... That way I'm not stressed with spending on a lot of money on another snake XD..

Lesser Ghosts are not tooo pricey anymore. That is what I would use. You have time on your side, I assume you are going to get her to 1500gr or so.

In the mean time get a male Lesser Ghost, Lesser Black Pastel Ghost, or Pastel Lesser Ghost on a payment plan or save up the cash and get him when she is closer to being ready. At least, that is what I would do.

If luck is on your side, you will have a Lesser Ghost Clown in no time.

You should definitely try to prove her...I would try to prove her in the first breeding, so you know if future offspring will be poss. Hets.

The Hypo Clown is one of my favorite Clown Combos...Down the road it will make for some crazy crosses!

How sick would a Pastel Butter Clown Hypo be?!!!

I say go for it. Proving her at first breeding might add up something more spectacular w/ your future breeding plans :)

I'd breed her to a male cinny/ black pastel het hypo, at least then you would have cinny het clowns.

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Originally Posted by cmack91

I'd breed her to a male cinny/ black pastel het hypo, at least then you would have cinny het clowns.

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This is also a good idea. If I'm going to attempt to prove her out, I'm going to try to find a good lookin' male visual hypo morph! :D

Seems like I saw a double het clown hypo male recently and that would give you the chance to produce clowns and maybe clown hypo first generation.

Or if you like hypo mojave why not pick one of those males up and produce mojave double het clown hypo and normal double het clown hypo and maybe hypo mojave het clown if she hits.

Oh, and although I have zero clown experience based on my normal het hypo experience I would expect a clown het hypo to be brighter and cleaner (less dark in the light pattern) than a typical clown. I guess that could be hard to tell though since clowns are light to start with and I understand normally lighten with age. But if your clown 66% het hypo girl is much lighter than other clowns the same size I would think your odds would be even better than the 2 in 3 on paper. Might check for pattern in her shed two as some normal het hypos shed clear like homozygous hypos but then I don’t even know if clowns shed clear messing that possible indicator up also.

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Originally Posted by Pinoy Pythons

I say go for it. Proving her at first breeding might add up something more spectacular w/ your future breeding plans :)

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And not to mention, if she proved out then you could just incorporate the hypo gene into what your original plan was for her...

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Oh, and although I have zero clown experience based on my normal het hypo experience I would expect a clown het hypo to be brighter and cleaner (less dark in the light pattern) than a typical clown. I guess that could be hard to tell though since clowns are light to start with and I understand normally lighten with age. But if your clown 66% het hypo girl is much lighter than other clowns the same size I would think your odds would be even better than the 2 in 3 on paper. Might check for pattern in her shed two as some normal het hypos shed clear like homozygous hypos but then I don’t even know if clowns shed clear messing that possible indicator up also.

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Thanks for the information! I THINK I see the hypo influence in other morphs like the bumblebee and lessers/butters. The bees that were het hypo that I saw at the reptile expo had such bright yellows and dark blacks! The lessers were funky colored and already had some fading. I've seen clowns that looked very light brown and faded, but I've also seen some jet black clowns with high contrasted black backs! Clowns are so variable which is one of the reasons I wanted to work with them :D!

I have been down this road and I will tell you what happens. You will not end up with just one more snake. It will be several. If you buy a pastel ghost male and breed them all babies are going to be double hets. So if you end up with a 1.1 POG het clowns you pretty much have to keep them to try for the super pastel orange ghost clown. It's great fun but like we all know it's never just one more snake.

I would prove her out. Breed her to something Hypo though, not something like a codom het Hypo.