Couple questions

I read that Champagne Spiders if they hatch do not likely survive :(

I have been toying with genetic wizard knowing full well I am a ways out for breeding but I'm just trying to find direction..

I am really liking the Lesser Champagne as a base then going from there.

But I also like the lesser spider

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What is it in the Champagne Spider that takes away there chance of survival????

Sorry, meant Lesserbee not spider


Just wondering with the wobble if I should just stay away with anything spider:confused:

Im fairly certain that the spider wobble is pretty randomn so I wouldnt let just that turn you off of the morph. Most wobbles arent really that bad anyways. Work with what you like and think is cool! I dont think that another morph added with spider lessens the chance of the wobble forming either, but i my be wrong? Like a killerbee has the same chance of a wobble as a plain spider but im not positive.
With that said lesserbees are really cool so id go for that if its what you like!

Thanks mike I really like the Lesserbee!! And might pickup a champagne female along with a spider female..

I also might have 2 Het Pieds coming this fall :rolleyes: we know where that's going to go :D

With the wobble, I don't think it is something that can be bred out.. Some are severe some not so much..

I am curious as to why tho the Champagne Spiders do not survive

I haven't heard of that before ? Where did you read that ?

The only one I remember reading and it being proven it did not thrive is the Pearl.

Gale

I dont know what exactly happens on the genetic level that causes some combos to be lethal but there are quite a few. NERD did a video on lethal genes/combos, maybe you should check it out. Maybe on youtube.

Genetic wizard had the write up on the Champagne Spider

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This combination has been known to not survive and as of right now all spider champagnes that have hatched have died shortly there after if they even hatch at all.
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If someone successfully produces a champagne Spider, it's likely going to be a crazily priced snake

Interesting. That is good to know.

There are a few combos that just don't survive or are complete train wrecks! Kevin from NERD's lethal combo videos are pretty good because he gives several things that you want to avoid crossing. Including Champagne x Spider.
As far as the Pearl goes he actually talks about that and how he has what he is calling a Soul Sucker Pearl that is alive and doing very well. He's just not sure if it's from the outsourcing of different genetic stock or because there are so many different genes combined that it is "neutralizing" the negative effects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStCAKMbnqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhnR5YdGdI
Here are the videos if anyone is interested.

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Originally Posted by C&H Exotic Morphs

There are a few combos that just don't survive or are complete train wrecks! Kevin from NERD's lethal combo videos are pretty good because he gives several things that you want to avoid crossing. Including Champagne x Spider.
As far as the Pearl goes he actually talks about that and how he has what he is calling a Soul Sucker Pearl that is alive and doing very well. He's just not sure if it's from the outsourcing of different genetic stock or because there are so many different genes combined that it is "neutralizing" the negative effects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStCAKMbnqQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fhnR5YdGdI
Here are the videos if anyone is interested.

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Thanks I will check them out in the morning

Ok well, People with way more experience have proved that the Champagne X Spider thing do not work. I am not a geneticist so I'm not even going to attempt that.

I watched the videos, They were semi informative.. I guess I am looking for a How/Why :confused:

But NERD has proved that sometimes the reasons can be overloaded with gene's and beaten, While the video didn't answer if there were long term effects, I can live with the it CAN happen.

If I take a say a

Lesser X Champagne

And Produce a

Champagne Lesser

then breed that to a Lesser Bee

And back to a Spider what are the chances of or is it just bad news to do anything with a Champagne back to anything with the spider gene ??

I know there are people with way more knowledge here then me this is why I am asking

Just wanted to weigh in on the wobble comment. I have a male spider that has the most extreme wobble ever. He literally knots himself up. Although he is doing well he is about two years old and only 300g. He has troubles eating. Now I also have a lesser bee and he has a very slight wobble. Just because there is a chance of wobble does not mean I will stop working with the gene.

Also if you have the money for a female champagne why buy her pieds? The price of pieds has dropped and I've seen them going for 600-800. Unless you plan on breeding a male visual to all your hets.


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Just wanted to weigh in on the wobble comment. I have a male spider that has the most extreme wobble ever. He literally knots himself up. Although he is doing well he is about two years old and only 300g. He has troubles eating. Now I also have a lesser bee and he has a very slight wobble. Just because there is a chance of wobble does not mean I will stop working with the gene.

Also if you have the money for a female champagne why buy her pieds? The price of pieds has dropped and I've seen them going for 600-800. Unless you plan on breeding a male visual to all your hets.


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The Champagne is for my Lesser if I decide to go that way.I also like the Lesser Crystal or even going with a Pinstripe and producing Kingpins

Wife and I picked up a spider female not long ago and haven't noticed a wobble. But I'm not sure if outta something they have immediately our if it can develop. And I was looking into the spiderx champagne combo as well. If that combo is lethal, there goes any distant future plans for me.

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Ok well, People with way more experience have proved that the Champagne X Spider thing do not work. I am not a geneticist so I'm not even going to attempt that.

I watched the videos, They were semi informative.. I guess I am looking for a How/Why :confused:

But NERD has proved that sometimes the reasons can be overloaded with gene's and beaten, While the video didn't answer if there were long term effects, I can live with the it CAN happen.

If I take a say a

Lesser X Champagne

And Produce a

Champagne Lesser

then breed that to a Lesser Bee

And back to a Spider what are the chances of or is it just bad news to do anything with a Champagne back to anything with the spider gene ??

I know there are people with way more knowledge here then me this is why I am asking

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I would assume that you would get a variety of healthy offspring, but any that inherited both the champagne and spider genes would perish.