Heartbreaking......:(

I had to go to "that place" tonight to get stuff for my snakes and naturally wound up in the reptile section.

I got the girl to let me hold the last "$400 Pinstripe", even though they're 'really not my thing' and I just cried right there in public.

She said they'd had the 2 Pins for "a month" and this little thing was no bigger around than a pencil, had NO fat on it all and its poor little tail felt shrunken and shriveled.

Her/his eyes were so pleading, looking right into mine.

They marked it down to $149 [can't imagine why] and she told me it 'wouldn't eat'.

The aquarium is standard P-Co fair.
Too cold, too dry, too bright, lousy hides, etc etc.

The snake's body was actually, literally triangular and its spine was so sharp you could nearly cut your finger on it.

It was, however, still active, almost desperately so, climbing onto me and struggling to stay clinging to me when the girl put her back.

Even hubby's was heart broken and he's totally not a "mushy" guy.

We talked in the store for nearly an hour about where to scrape up the money and we've just none available.
[if I had it, it'd be here now and you'd be looking at heart wrenching pix, instead]

I have no pride where suffering animals are concerned and considered asking if anyone would be willing to make $10 donations towards her/his rescue.
Only 10-15 people would help me scrape up the cash.

Or, is the little thing too far gone and beyond saving?

I really don't know how far they can sink and still spring back.

It's so thin you really can't imagine but its little eyes were so bright and aware.

It's obvious by now to most of you that I'm not that sane and may think I'm loony for saying that I could feel it wanting me to save it and it's tearing me apart that I just don't have the money.

Walking away from that baby was agonizing.

If I'm out of line with this post, please forgive me.

I cannot get the image of that little snake out of my head.

:tears:


Again, sorry if this is an inappropriate post.

Could there be any possible hope for the baby snake?

I'd be very grateful for any advice or help.

I don't know what to do with myself, right now.

Shari

That is terrible, I don't know wether the little guy will make it or not, I've never death with something lie this before. I would be willing to help out if others are.

Coming from someone that keeps tarantulas, I imagine the same advice holds true for balls...add heartbreaking as it is, buying him won't help anything. Buying him will show the pet store that they can move the product, and a new one will take his place, only to be neglected and mistreated. If enough of them are not bought, they will stop carrying them. That's better in the long run.

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Where do you live?

Did you tell the pet store what bad condition the snake is in...? What was their response? I can't imagine them charging any money at all for such an emaciated and weak animal.

Hope the little thing gets another chance some way or another.

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Where do you live?

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Western MD.
It's the Hagerstown PetCo.

As heartbreaking as it is, I'm inclined to agree with Dorvaan. Go back to the store, demand to speak to the manager, and make it clear you'll be reporting them for animal mistreatment. Then, follow through. Take pictures of the snake and contact your local ASPCA or Humane Society and file a report. If they can't take a report, find out who can. If you have a reptile rescue near by, they may know who to contact.

It's true that reporting them may not do anything for that poor little guy, but buying him will only encourage the store to contribute to the suffering of others like him. :(

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Originally Posted by rebelrachel13

Did you tell the pet store what bad condition the snake is in...? What was their response? I can't imagine them charging any money at all for such an emaciated and weak animal.

Hope the little thing gets another chance some way or another.

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Oh, yes.
I told them.
Another couple was looking at it and I told them not to buy as it was likely dying.

The manager on duty [very nice woman] said she'd talk to the store manager [a heartless she devil who cares nothing for animals...this is just a stepping stone/stop over on her resume' to manage a larger department store]

"Corporate policy" is a abomination.

If it's still sucking air, it's still salable.

:(

I've been to this rodeo *many* times over their animal abuse.

The outcome is always the same; "I'll ask the store manager" and no matter how many times she's "asked" she does nothing.

She does not care.

If it dies, they just send the body back to the breeder for a refund.

And snakes sometimes take a very, very long time to die.....:(

When we asked if they prey was 'warm enough' for the snake, we were told they currently had no hot water.

I checked the ladies room.

They don't.

I have no idea how they're feeding any of their snakes.

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Coming from someone that keeps tarantulas, I imagine the same advice holds true for balls...add heartbreaking as it is, buying him won't help anything. Buying him will show the pet store that they can move the product, and a new one will take his place, only to be neglected and mistreated. If enough of them are not bought, they will stop carrying them. That's better in the long run.

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I have to agree. It makes me so sad when ever we go to our local pet store.. all of the reptiles look close to death and have less then adequate enclosures. But we (my boyfriend and I) refuse to rescue from pet stores because if they can't care for them they should not keep them period. There are a lot of rescues out there with animals looking for homes... I know its hard, but those types of chain stores should not be encouraged.

As bad as this is going to sound, my perspective is twofold:

1) As long as we keep "saving" these BPs from the clutches of PETCO and Petsmart, the more they will keep bringing them in and mistreating them. The only thing corporate sees is that another snake sold...bring more snakes

2) We can't save them all.


I'm reminded of a lesson I learned in USAF Survival School. During the POW camp portion of the training, they couldn't get any of the guys to talk, so they brought in the only female student in our group and proceeded to beat the crap out of her. Finally someone decided to do the "right" thing and talk. From then on, anytime they wanted to know something, that girl got her butt severely kicked. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut the first time, she would have only taken one beating...similar concept applies here.

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Originally Posted by dorvaan

Coming from someone that keeps tarantulas, I imagine the same advice holds true for balls...add heartbreaking as it is, buying him won't help anything. Buying him will show the pet store that they can move the product, and a new one will take his place, only to be neglected and mistreated. If enough of them are not bought, they will stop carrying them. That's better in the long run.

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Be that as it may, it's still torturing the snake and people like me, by proxy.

I understand your point, though.

Problem is, no matter how many die in the store, they get their refund.
Should somebody who wouldn't know it was doomed buy a snake that dies *after* the 14 day "warranty" period, they'll still keep selling them.

Within the warranty period, they return the body to the store, get a "new snake", the store returns the body to the wholesaler and it all starts over again.

These stores don't think like you or I would.

Live or dead, it's still a sale.

I understand the problem I experienced the same or at least similar problem..

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hlight=wiggles

I understand what you all are saying and on principal I agree... But in reality we will never be able to stop enough sales for them to stop carrying them. but we also can't save them all.

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As heartbreaking as it is, I'm inclined to agree with Dorvaan. Go back to the store, demand to speak to the manager, and make it clear you'll be reporting them for animal mistreatment. Then, follow through. Take pictures of the snake and contact your local ASPCA or Humane Society and file a report. If they can't take a report, find out who can. If you have a reptile rescue near by, they may know who to contact.

It's true that reporting them may not do anything for that poor little guy, but buying him will only encourage the store to contribute to the suffering of others like him. :(

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The ASPCA/humane society doesn't respond.
It's not a 'domestic animal" and there are no reptile rescues, here.

Already tried that for the 4 starving Pastels a couple months ago.

They only react if it's already owned by a private citizen.

Snakes live in a legal twilight zone.

God, how I wish I'd hadn't gone there tonight but I needed supplies for my 2 RI snakes.
[who are doing wonderfully well now, thanks to everyone's advice]

I think I'll go out and grab some of my snake-kids and love-hug them silly and just cry a while.

[I keep telling myself I can't save everything but I never listen to me]

:(

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I understand the problem I experienced the same or at least similar problem..

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hlight=wiggles

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The Pin makes your little snake look overweight.
Seriously.

Maybe it's too far gone, already.

Bless you for saving that one.

I understand.

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2) We can't save them all.


I'm reminded of a lesson I learned in USAF Survival School. During the POW camp portion of the training, they couldn't get any of the guys to talk, so they brought in the only female student in our group and proceeded to beat the crap out of her. Finally someone decided to do the "right" thing and talk. From then on, anytime they wanted to know something, that girl got her butt severely kicked. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut the first time, she would have only taken one beating...similar concept applies here.

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Wow thats harsh but i understand the leeson learned here...

There was a pet store near me that had a boa in the same sad condition. Someone dropped a dime to animal control, dont know who that could of
been;) and they went in and seized 16 animals and gave hefty fines. Just sayin

The store is got Diablo from is a great place, family run and knowledgeable staff!! The recently got a new ball. She is huge at least 2ft long and thick. I helped them get her enclosure set up and she is doing great.

But like walmart not carrying fish anymore, I think that the super pet stores should not carry any LIVE animal. Most do not have the staff prepared to know what they are supposed to do. Like pet smart here.. One day I walked in and found a bp in a glass tank with no hides no substraight heat nothing... I walked through the store gathered everything he needed and started setting up his Tank!! No expense spared as it was on them lol

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There was a pet store near me that had a boa in the same sad condition. Someone dropped a dime to animal control, dont know who that could of
been;) and they went in and seized 16 animals and gave hefty fines. Just sayin

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I can try again but you can't imagine my humane society.

They told me I HAD to bring in the 3 coons who attacked my dogs one morning and when I did, they didn't want to run tests on all 3 until the health department got involved and told them we weren't sure which one I'd had contact with.

That really pissed them off.

While I was waiting for the HD lady to call back and order them to do it, the woman dealing with this mess told me I had nothing to worry about, didn't have rabies and was basically being a PITA to them.

I had nothing better to do so I got up to go look at the shelter cats and she almost tackled me and refused to let me near them because I "might be rabid".

Geeze!
Make up my mind!!!

Almost 8 days later [talk about making me sweat] they called and said all 3 were rabid and to go the ER immediately for my first shots in the series.

That is what I deal with as far as a "humane society", here.

It took them 5 years to go after a known, repeat horse abuser and that was only after the dead horses started piling up along the fence that faced a fancy housing development.

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The store is got Diablo from is a great place, family run and knowledgeable staff!! The recently got a new ball. She is huge at least 2ft long and thick. I helped them get her enclosure set up and she is doing great.

But like walmart not carrying fish anymore, I think that the super pet stores should not carry any LIVE animal. Most do not have the staff prepared to know what they are supposed to do. Like pet smart here.. One day I walked in and found a bp in a glass tank with no hides no substraight heat nothing... I walked through the store gathered everything he needed and started setting up his Tank!! No expense spared as it was on them lol

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Our WalMarts carry fish.
They last about 20 minutes past the 7 day guarantee.

Thanks to everybody for their input.

I'm just going to have to find a way to emotionally deal with this.

Right now, I think I'll go out and fuss with the snakes' houses.

If this had been a starving puppy tale, I'd give my dogs some nice new toys to make myself feel better.

I wish they made snake toys.

:-\

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I wish they made snake toys.

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They actually make these really nice chew toys for them called rats.

Im not strong enough to have been able to walk away from that. You all say dont buy snake from pet stores because it encourages them to keep selling them. One snake isnt going to make a real difference. Yeah I would have bought the snake atleast I wouldnt be letting it die it would actually have a chance coming home with me. I have seen some pretty harsh balls come into my possession and yeah one I even bought. But thats me and honestly if I did buy it and I just so happened to post pictures and the story on here I wouldnt listen to a darn thing anyone said really take no offense to that its just me Im weak when it comes to dying animals that you know have a chance in your possession.

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You all say dont buy snake from pet stores because it encourages them to keep selling them. One snake isnt going to make a real difference.

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That is what I am saying. even if everybody on this site pledged to stop buying anything from them it wouldn't make a difference there are people who buy reptiles from them everyday and most of them will listen to the crap that the petstore employee tells them and never question if it is correct or not. This is a battle that we simply cannot win. I feel that we should help those that we can and understand that we cannot possibly save them all.

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understand that we cannot possibly save them all.

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Yeah this is true but you can try to save as many as you can

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Yeah this is true but you can try to save as many as you can

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I agree, I'm just making the point that we have to live with the fact that we cannot save them all

Take the photos, and send them to CORPORATE. Go over the store manager's head. Tell them that if they don't act, you're planning to make a fuss and post the photos, because if this is how they treat their animals, the world should know.

Petco corporate doesn't hate animals, and they aren't completely heartless. The problem is individuals, and if you put a bug in their ear at corporate, it's a lot more likely that something will get done about it. Particularly if you tell them it's an ongoing problem.
Mention the lack of hot water as well. It's hard to imagine anything being properly cleaned without hot water, as well as the issue with thawing rodents for the snakes.

They're a big corporation, and they have a lot of inertia--they had a vet write up their care protocols, and unfortunately, he just wasn't enough of a reptile expert to do it properly. Since a vet told them to, now it's hard to convince them to change. They do think they're doing the right thing.

The only way to get them to fix it, is to keep at them over it. Be polite, be reasonable, but be resolute and definite.
It can work, and has worked.

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Take the photos, and send them to CORPORATE. Go over the store manager's head. Tell them that if they don't act, you're planning to make a fuss and post the photos, because if this is how they treat their animals, the world should know.

Petco corporate doesn't hate animals, and they aren't completely heartless. The problem is individuals, and if you put a bug in their ear at corporate, it's a lot more likely that something will get done about it. Particularly if you tell them it's an ongoing problem.
Mention the lack of hot water as well. It's hard to imagine anything being properly cleaned without hot water, as well as the issue with thawing rodents for the snakes.

They're a big corporation, and they have a lot of inertia--they had a vet write up their care protocols, and unfortunately, he just wasn't enough of a reptile expert to do it properly. Since a vet told them to, now it's hard to convince them to change. They do think they're doing the right thing.

The only way to get them to fix it, is to keep at them over it. Be polite, be reasonable, but be resolute and definite.
It can work, and has worked.

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This, is probably the best thing for all of us to do every time we see a mistreated animal. I can understand how wanting to save them all though, gets to you. I am that person. We saved a Leo that was under fed, had the crap beaten out of him (he was in a tank with 3 or 4 other males and they said they didn't have another tank to put him in to heal), had dropped his tail, and open sores all over him. I just couldn't leave him there. Now fast forward a month or so, we are In same pet store (for cat food) and low and behold, there is a gargoyle gecko with stuck shed all over him and his toes. And a bp pacing its tank. As much as I want to save them all, and its sad, we can't. We need to find another way to get these butt holes to take proper care of their animals. Maybe if we KEEP at corporate, they will open their eyes.

What we should all do is compile an in-depth album of pictures dedicated to all of the sickly, weak looking reptiles and other pets that are sold again and again at big chain pet stores (and indicating which exact store they were sold at), and then send it to anyone who can make a difference that cares. Maybe that would make more of a difference than the occasional picture or two of pet store rescues.

And shame on breeders who rely on selling to stores like Petsmart. No matter how tough a breeder's life is financially, the pet's well being should always be put first. The more I think about breeding ball pythons in two years, the more I realize that we are pretty much playing God with our snakes and we are getting them to produce babies that we can sell and profit from. The least we can do is ensure that every single snake that we produce goes to a caring owner who is willing to give it an adequate quality of life.

It made me sad to read your post and kitedemon's, but Im really glad you brought up this issue because it really is something that needs to be fixed in the ball python and reptile world.

I understand what you're feeling.
I experienced the exact same thing at a chain pet store last fall.


Here is my post about it with pictures: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ble-looking-BP

I agree with Mattchibi. We should compile an album to raise awareness. This is animal cruelty and is preventable.

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Western MD.
It's the Hagerstown PetCo.

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You live close to me. I would have definitely said something to the manager. And I also would have said "this snake is skinny, needs to eat properly, needs proper temps and humidity. It also is going to need a vet because these animals you carry are most likely ill and need some sort of treatment. I will give you X amount of dollars for it, seeing as it needs all this."

Then again, thats how I am. I understand that these employees at these chain petstores do not have the proper knowledge of care for these animals, and the same goes for the managers. I will give them such and such reason ( depending on the specific animal ) what exactly it needs and why it would be best to go with me. Yea sometimes I over pay for an animal, and that's the reason Chad tries his hardest to keep me out of those places.

I do the same with Craigslist. I'm a sucker for animals in need.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Take the photos, and send them to CORPORATE. Go over the store manager's head. Tell them that if they don't act, you're planning to make a fuss and post the photos, because if this is how they treat their animals, the world should know.

Petco corporate doesn't hate animals, and they aren't completely heartless. The problem is individuals, and if you put a bug in their ear at corporate, it's a lot more likely that something will get done about it. Particularly if you tell them it's an ongoing problem.
Mention the lack of hot water as well. It's hard to imagine anything being properly cleaned without hot water, as well as the issue with thawing rodents for the snakes.

They're a big corporation, and they have a lot of inertia--they had a vet write up their care protocols, and unfortunately, he just wasn't enough of a reptile expert to do it properly. Since a vet told them to, now it's hard to convince them to change. They do think they're doing the right thing.

The only way to get them to fix it, is to keep at them over it. Be polite, be reasonable, but be resolute and definite.
It can work, and has worked.

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I agree with this. Im sure there are many members of this site who have bought their snakes from Petco/Petsmart or insert store name here and had great service. Both of my local stores have been great with Sheldon but maybe I am just lucky. The problem comes from the individuals who run the stores not caring about the animals. Corporate can only do so much. I do wonder if they routinely visit stores. When I worked at Target we would see corporate executives all the time. Maybe this sort of thing, inspections, would help fix these problems. I know for me personally it would be hard to walk away from that little guy even though it would probably be expensive and ultimately, in vain. To me the real tragedy in that the Animal Control and humane societies do not care about these animals. Yes there are people who claim that snakes (or frogs, lizards, iguanas, tarantulas, etc) are heartless creatures that belong in the wild, or worse but tell that to someone who has actually owned one for long enough to love it. It is really sad that, outside of enthusiasts, that no one cares about these animals.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Take the photos, and send them to CORPORATE. Go over the store manager's head. Tell them that if they don't act, you're planning to make a fuss and post the photos, because if this is how they treat their animals, the world should know.

Petco corporate doesn't hate animals, and they aren't completely heartless. The problem is individuals, and if you put a bug in their ear at corporate, it's a lot more likely that something will get done about it. Particularly if you tell them it's an ongoing problem.
Mention the lack of hot water as well. It's hard to imagine anything being properly cleaned without hot water, as well as the issue with thawing rodents for the snakes.

They're a big corporation, and they have a lot of inertia--they had a vet write up their care protocols, and unfortunately, he just wasn't enough of a reptile expert to do it properly. Since a vet told them to, now it's hard to convince them to change. They do think they're doing the right thing.

The only way to get them to fix it, is to keep at them over it. Be polite, be reasonable, but be resolute and definite.
It can work, and has worked.

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"Corporate" already has a list of complaints against this woman a mile long.
Her latest sin was to remove a Conure off the show floor into "quarantine" because she wanted to buy it at a mark-down price for herself.
It stayed in quarantine a full year before another employee [no longer working there] convinced them to get involved.
They did...by having her put the Conure back on the sales floor where it was purchased immediately by other people.
She got no disciplinary action, no firing, no nothing.

For whatever reason, she's "bullet proof" and the entire staff is terrified of her.

The lack of hot water is almost superfluous to all the other travesties.

I watched an employee feed the snakes during the "Starving Pastels" saga and the time he was allotted to feed everything [or lose his job] was about 1 minute per animal.
Approx. half of the snakes actually ate.
From start to finish, removing the snakes from the tanks, feeding and returning to the tanks was about a half hour.

Unless one of 2 employees is working tomorrow, I won't be able to get photos.
They don't allow it, most likely because of why *I* want to take them.
Hopefully at least one of the 2 people I mentioned will be working tomorrow.

I will try, though.

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You live close to me. I would have definitely said something to the manager. And I also would have said "this snake is skinny, needs to eat properly, needs proper temps and humidity. It also is going to need a vet because these animals you carry are most likely ill and need some sort of treatment. I will give you X amount of dollars for it, seeing as it needs all this."

Then again, thats how I am. I understand that these employees at these chain petstores do not have the proper knowledge of care for these animals, and the same goes for the managers. I will give them such and such reason ( depending on the specific animal ) what exactly it needs and why it would be best to go with me. Yea sometimes I over pay for an animal, and that's the reason Chad tries his hardest to keep me out of those places.

I do the same with Craigslist. I'm a sucker for animals in need.

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I did talk to the manager on duty.
I've talked to every/all the floor managers on duty, at various times.
They were upset, sympathetic, concerned, etc but they have no real, hands on authority over any of the animals.

Everything has to be cleared through "Robin" first, and she simply doesn't give a crap.

I have never even laid eyes on the head manager because she comes in whenever she 'feels like it' and no one can predict when or if she'll be in on any given day.
I have left messages for her to contact me.
She never has.

I, too, have tried to educate, reason, cajole, plead, bargain, convince, to no avail.
The store floor managers hands are utterly tied.

The 2 decent, caring people who work the herps are concerned but powerless.
In this trashed economy, they can't afford to lose a job in an area where few are to be had by "winging it" themselves.

I've offered to take home animals, fix them up and return them with no thought of personal compensation.
I just wanted them to live.
No dice.

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Yeah this is true but you can try to save as many as you can

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The Starfish *
Author Unknown


Once upon a time there was a wise man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing.

He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work.

One day he was walking along the shore.

As he looked down the beach, he saw a human figure moving like a dancer.

He smiled to himself to think of someone who would dance to the day.

So he began to walk faster to catch up.

As he got closer, he saw that it was a young man and the young man wasn't dancing, but instead he was reaching down to the shore, picking up something and very gently throwing it into the ocean.

As he got closer he called out, "Good morning What are you doing?"

The young man paused, looked up and replied, "Throwing starfish in the ocean."

"I guess I should have asked, why are you throwing starfish in the ocean?"

"The sun is up and the tide is going out. And if I don't throw them in they'll die."

"But, young man, don't you realize that there are miles and miles of beach and starfish all along it.

You can't possibly make a difference!"

The young man listened politely.

Then bent down, picked another starfish and threw it into the sea, past the breaking waves and said,
"It made a difference for that one."

I chase a lot of rainbows.
I tilt at a lot of windmills.
I throw a lot of starfish.
It's how I'm built.

However, broke is broke, no matter how much I want to throw this 'starfish' back into the ocean.

I will try to raise a stink with corporate but unless money falls from the sky tonight, that's all I can do for this one.

Thanks to everyone who replied.

At least I know I'm not crazy for trying.

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I agree with this. Im sure there are many members of this site who have bought their snakes from Petco/Petsmart or insert store name here and had great service. Both of my local stores have been great with Sheldon but maybe I am just lucky. The problem comes from the individuals who run the stores not caring about the animals. Corporate can only do so much. I do wonder if they routinely visit stores. When I worked at Target we would see corporate executives all the time. Maybe this sort of thing, inspections, would help fix these problems. I know for me personally it would be hard to walk away from that little guy even though it would probably be expensive and ultimately, in vain. To me the real tragedy in that the Animal Control and humane societies do not care about these animals. Yes there are people who claim that snakes (or frogs, lizards, iguanas, tarantulas, etc) are heartless creatures that belong in the wild, or worse but tell that to someone who has actually owned one for long enough to love it. It is really sad that, outside of enthusiasts, that no one cares about these animals.

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You should try ginning up sympathy for rats.

At one time, I had over 100 rats here with an entire room dedicated to them and their huge habitats.

Thankfully, the store that was allowing them to languish injured, maimed and mutilated has gone out of business.

I have only 4, now.

The humane society said they were "wild" and told me to call the DNR.
The DNR said they were "tame" and told me to call the ASPCA.

Luckily for me, those rats were much cheaper than chain store BPs.

Rats and snakes are not high up on the 'cute things that need saving' list.

Some animals are more equal than others.

first try putting pedolite in as water (get the one the is flavor free)
the will help re-hydrate it and then it my kick in the feeding part the has been missing.

when my BP goes on her hunger strike i give her pedolite just to keep her electrolite up, and she only goes without eating maybe a month at a time and then she'll eat real good. you can get off brand of pedolite at the dollar store.

good luck with her

I'll definitley help!!!! Seriously! How can we work this. What's the per stores number. If I can get them to come down on the price I will pay for it myself right over the phone and u can pick it up. Where r u located. Message me if u want... I am serious...

The board of agriculture has laws and regulations for every store that sells any animal. I would look up their number and speak with them. Unfortunately you can't save them all an buying it only perpetuates the cycle. I hope something works out for that little guy.


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The board of agriculture has laws and regulations for every store that sells any animal. I would look up their number and speak with them. Unfortunately you can't save them all an buying it only perpetuates the cycle. I hope something works out for that little guy.


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The local humane society was not interested which is ironic because tomorrow they're having a big animal adoption/education event at that very store.

I don't know where our 'board of agriculture' is, locally.

We used to have an Ag extension office in Hagerstown but it's been closed for years.
I went in last night to get stuff for the mouse mites and was shocked to see it's still alive.
I have no idea how it's managing to even hang on.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

The local humane society was not interested which is ironic because tomorrow they're having a big animal adoption/education event at that very store.

I don't know where our 'board of agriculture' is, locally.

We used to have an Ag extension office in Hagerstown but it's been closed for years.
I went in last night to get stuff for the mouse mites and was shocked to see it's still alive.
I have no idea how it's managing to even hang on.

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In my experiences Humane Societies couldn't care less about animals that don't bark or meow.

Also, as an employee at a chain pet store, I agree that they don't give you near enough time to feed the snakes. I have been lobbying hard at mine to give me a good hour or two to get them to eat

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Originally Posted by RColemanVT

In my experiences Humane Societies couldn't care less about animals that don't bark or meow.

Also, as an employee at a chain pet store, I agree that they don't give you near enough time to feed the snakes. I have been lobbying hard at mine to give me a good hour or two to get them to eat

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They never helped me with the mutilated and dying rats that showed up in a local small pet shop every Friday.
Said they weren't "domesticated animals".
The DNR said they weren't "wild animals".
They were in legal limbo.

So are snakes.

The guy who works the reptile area has 30 minutes to remove from tanks/feed/place back in tanks everything or he'll get fired for not 'being on the floor'.

He hates that and hates the way the animals are treated but he can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Salamander

They never helped me with the mutilated and dying rats that showed up in a local small pet shop every Friday.
Said they weren't "domesticated animals".
The DNR said they weren't "wild animals".
They were in legal limbo.

So are snakes.

The guy who works the reptile area has 30 minutes to remove from tanks/feed/place back in tanks everything or he'll get fired for not 'being on the floor'.

He hates that and hates the way the animals are treated but he can't do anything about it.

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That just sucks, our store manager is much more open to listening to suggestions than it seems that store is. That is what I hate about chain store, the managers make too much of a difference