Ovy/Intro Question

As a new BP breeder, how long does the ovulation last? If you see an ovy, a week AFTER you observed a lock, can you reintroduce the same male?

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After a female ovulates, a male will not breed her.....if he is still breeding her, she did not ovulate....ovulations usually last 18-36 hours.....depending on how much heat they have access to.....

Jason

The female usually takes a few days to ovulate. You can usually tell a few days before she ovulates. There's a color change and swelling that begins. The actual ovulation lasts a few days. A female will not allow a lock a few days before her ovulation. No point pairing after the ovulation.

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Originally Posted by JTrott

After a female ovulates, a male will not breed her.....if he is still breeding her, she did not ovulate....ovulations usually last 18-36 hours.....depending on how much heat they have access to.....

Jason

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Not completely true, some males will still try to lock with females after ovulation.

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Originally Posted by ImBooBy

The female usually takes a few days to ovulate. You can usually tell a few days before she ovulates. There's a color change and swelling that begins. The actual ovulation lasts a few days. A female will not allow a lock a few days before her ovulation. No point pairing after the ovulation.

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OK then, so the female will only allow a lock during or after ovulation, and the male not likely to pursue a lock after?

Could it be possible then, that the first time i put the pair together and they locked, that she is now preggers?

I know it sounds naive but have to ask.

She has shown no unusual behavior since lock.

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Originally Posted by AdamF

OK then, so the female will only allow a lock during or after ovulation, and the male not likely to pursue a lock after?

Could it be possible then, that the first time i put the pair together and they locked, that she is now preggers?

I know it sounds naive but have to ask.

She has shown no unusual behavior since lock.

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If she has ovulated there is no point to introducing a male again even if he will lock her the eggs are already fertilized. You cant fertilize an already fertilized egg. If she ovulated that means she is gravid. The female is unlikely to lock during ovy and after, however there are some pretty determined males outthere. If shes still locking its likely she did not ovulate yet, got any pictures?

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Originally Posted by Domepiece

If she has ovulated there is no point to introducing a male again even if he will lock her the eggs are already fertilized. You cant fertilize an already fertilized egg. If she ovulated that means she is gravid. The female is unlikely to lock during ovy and after, however there are some pretty determined males outthere. If shes still locking its likely she did not ovulate yet, got any pictures?

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Pics below. I know u cannot double fertilize an egg.
If she wont lock during or after, even an noob like me can figure it must be before.
So my dumb ass question is (chicken...er snake, or the egg!):
If ovy happens AFTER they lock, does ovy then=gravid next?

Sorry I sound so dumb

Post Lock 1
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/P1000863.jpg

Post Lock 2 (ok not great shot)

Lock 2/22/12 (2)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/P1000859.jpg

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...2/P1000860.jpg

Lol, I got ya. If she did ovy then yes she is gravid. You will at least be getting something either eggs or slugs or a combo of both.

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Originally Posted by Domepiece

Lol, I got ya. If she did ovy then yes she is gravid. You will at least be getting something either eggs or slugs or a combo of both.

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Could she have ovied and I missed it as a noob?

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Originally Posted by AdamF

Could she have ovied and I missed it as a noob?

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When did you first start pairing her? It is possible to miss an ovy if you didn't check on her in a few days. Once you have seen an ovy you will know it. They look like they ate a football...

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Originally Posted by Zombie

When did you first start pairing her? It is possible to miss an ovy if you didn't check on her in a few days. Once you have seen an ovy you will know it. They look like they ate a football...

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Paired only a few days ago

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Originally Posted by AdamF

Paired only a few days ago

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It can takes months of pairing for a female to ovulate unless shes already got some big follicles going. Have you palpated her?

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Originally Posted by Domepiece

It can takes months of pairing for a female to ovulate unless shes already got some big follicles going. Have you palpated her?

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X2, even if she was building follicles before you put the male with her it still will take a couple months before ovy. Unless the follicles were already around 40mm or so, but I believe she would have reabsorbed them without seeing a male before they got that big. Just keep pairing, make sure you give the boy rest after a lock for a few days and keep doing it until she is noticeably gravid or he stops breeding her. Find what schedule works for you, but try putting the male in for 3 days and then take him out and rest him for 4 days. If he locks and then unlocks before his 3 days is up go ahead and take him out to start his rest. Good luck with breeding and make sure you ask a lot of questions!

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Check out this web site for a good idea of what goes on during breeding.

http://www.ballpython.ca/gallery/breeding.html

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Originally Posted by Domepiece

It can takes months of pairing for a female to ovulate unless shes already got some big follicles going. Have you palpated her?

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Of course I have not palpated her. If I was palpating, I'd be way more advanced than I am. LOL

Some on this site have said to wait 4 weeks before introducing the same male to the same female. Yet, now some say 3-4 days.

Can I palpate her now, after she locked 4 days ago?

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Originally Posted by AdamF

Of course I have not palpated her. If I was palpating, I'd be way more advanced than I am. LOL

Some on this site have said to wait 4 weeks before introducing the same male to the same female. Yet, now some say 3-4 days.

Can I palpate her now, after she locked 4 days ago?

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You can palpate whenever you like. Some females will start building follicles before they even see a male. If a male isn't introduced they will absorb the follicles. If you only have one male going to that one female then no, you don't need to put him in every 4 days. Put the male in every couple weeks for 3-4 days and if you see a lock then take him out after they are done. The other schedule I mentioned was if you have a male circling a few females. There isn't a need to overwork your male on one girl.

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Originally Posted by Zombie

You can palpate whenever you like. Some females will start building follicles before they even see a male. If a male isn't introduced they will absorb the follicles. If you only have one male going to that one female then no, you don't need to put him in every 4 days. Put the male in every couple weeks for 3-4 days and if you see a lock then take him out after they are done. The other schedule I mentioned was if you have a male circling a few females. There isn't a need to overwork your male on one girl.

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Thanks, does the fact they are in enclosures only 18" from another increase the likelihood the male has a "presence" she senses, even though not in the same tank. IE She smells him close, so the produces follicles?

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Originally Posted by AdamF

Of course I have not palpated her. If I was palpating, I'd be way more advanced than I am. LOL

Some on this site have said to wait 4 weeks before introducing the same male to the same female. Yet, now some say 3-4 days.

Can I palpate her now, after she locked 4 days ago?

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You can palpate anytime. Early in the season I pair mine once a month, when they start building big follicles and are getting closer to ovulation is when I start introducing males once a week for 3 or 4 days. Hope this answers your question.

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Originally Posted by AdamF

Thanks, does the fact they are in enclosures only 18" from another increase the likelihood the male has a "presence" she senses, even though not in the same tank. IE She smells him close, so the produces follicles?

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Its possible they can smell each other and get excited. The process will take a few months just keep pairing, you'll get there...

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