Black Pastel or not?

Hi all,

I got this female as a black pastel. I'm little doubt it because there's no or very little squiggles on her pattern.
Also, do the black pastel have pattern or their belly? Because this snake have some.

Can you please confirm is she really a black pastel or isn't?

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/01903.jpg

Body shot
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/01904.jpg

Belly shots
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/01914.jpg
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/01915.jpg

Head shot
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/01918.jpg

Sorry for the bad pics.

Thanks for your help. :)

I don't know, but Lily who I bought as a normal has more squiggles than that.:confused:

It's not a black pastel, and yes "some" black pastels have pattern on the belly.

These are black pastels

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...l/IMG_9102.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/IMG_9649.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/IMG_9578.jpg

This page might help
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-Black-Pastels

I'm gonna have to agree. Not a black pastel. We just picked one up three days ago that looksand they are nothing alike. Ares is darker and has a lot more design to its pattern. Still its a very nice looking normal. Plus its a ball so its still great lol

I disagree....she's a Black Pastel...just a sub-par example.
No offense...but not all examples are created equally. With the right male...you could still get some awesome offspring......be picky with your choice of mate....

I believe that is a Black Pastel. So she doesn't have obvious "squiggles". Most do, she doesn't. We need to realize that casually saying "not a black pastel" is calling to question the integrity of the breeder that produced her and sold her. We don't know how much of a standout this animal was compared to others in the clutch that maybe weren't Black Pastels. She might even have been sired by a Super. We don't know that. I'll bet as a hatchling she looked much more like the pictures that most of you are used to seeing. If I were looking for a sub-adult Black Pastel I would definitely consider purchasing that animal and I would not suspect her to be a misrepresented normal.

Paul

Not sure i woulda said black pastel...but shes surely not a normal. Pretty girl:gj:

IMO, I don't think she looks like a black pastel.

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That's not a black pastel to me. She's really good looking though, just not a black pastel.

She has some subtle characterisitcs of the blak pastel (the slight alien head squiggles) but I have to say not a black pastel.

This is what concerns me about buying from peps I don't know or trust. If you are questioning if it is a black pastel you are there fore questioning who you bought it from. I have a hard time putting trust in people but I will email and chat with them for awhile before I make my decision on purchasing said animal. (I wish there were better local shows) If you trust the breeder then it most likely is a low grade black pastel. I'll post a pic of my black pastel she isn't the best example either but you can see it in her.

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/...lackpastel.jpg

Doesn't look like it to me! But pictures don't always do a snake justice. Here is a pict. of mine, although he is younger, you can see the markings you where referring to.

"Kabal" my male Black Pastel
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...3/100_4571.jpg

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Originally Posted by saber2th

Doesn't look like it to me! But pictures don't always do a snake justice. Here is a pict. of mine, although he is younger, you can see the markings you where referring to.

"Kabal" my male Black Pastel
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...3/100_4571.jpg

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Not to steal the thread but your boy is an awesome example. That rich dark colouring on him is sweet. My girl is really light compared to him, and the massive squiggles on him make him look sick.

Thanks for your comments..

So, more people said that she's not a black pastel than she is :)

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Originally Posted by PiedPeddler

I believe that is a Black Pastel. So she doesn't have obvious "squiggles". Most do, she doesn't. We need to realize that casually saying "not a black pastel" is calling to question the integrity of the breeder that produced her and sold her. We don't know how much of a standout this animal was compared to others in the clutch that maybe weren't Black Pastels. She might even have been sired by a Super. We don't know that. I'll bet as a hatchling she looked much more like the pictures that most of you are used to seeing. If I were looking for a sub-adult Black Pastel I would definitely consider purchasing that animal and I would not suspect her to be a misrepresented normal.

Paul

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Nice words, thanks :)

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Originally Posted by chaoticstone

This is what concerns me about buying from peps I don't know or trust. If you are questioning if it is a black pastel you are there fore questioning who you bought it from. I have a hard time putting trust in people but I will email and chat with them for awhile before I make my decision on purchasing said animal. (I wish there were better local shows) If you trust the breeder then it most likely is a low grade black pastel. I'll post a pic of my black pastel she isn't the best example either but you can see it in her.

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Actually I bought this girl from a wholeseller that got stuff from other seller, maybe there's something happened on the sell-order-buy-shipment-etc. process. I don't blame anyone in this, as it can happened on the wholesale more easily.
I can just complaint to the seller I bought this girl from, if she's indeed not a black pastel :)

Thanks again for all comments.
If there's any other opinion, it will be very appreciated.

Don't count her out. She very well could be a Black Pastel. She looks like one to me, although low grade she still has the look.

Like stated, she could be a low quality. I have a VERY browned out pastel that people always say is a normal and was actually caught in the middle of a "it's this morph" fight when I got him in Tinley. -_-;

Here is a pic of him during shed. (this was about a month ago, he's beginning to lighten but I doubt he'll even be good quality, still i love his personality.)

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/...-22_170507.jpg

My point to this? not EVERY animal is top quality, though it still is possible for some breeders to make mistakes.

My opinion? she's a lesser quality Black Pastel, but still looks awesome. :)

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Originally Posted by PiedPeddler

I believe that is a Black Pastel. So she doesn't have obvious "squiggles". Most do, she doesn't. We need to realize that casually saying "not a black pastel" is calling to question the integrity of the breeder that produced her and sold her. We don't know how much of a standout this animal was compared to others in the clutch that maybe weren't Black Pastels. She might even have been sired by a Super. We don't know that. I'll bet as a hatchling she looked much more like the pictures that most of you are used to seeing. If I were looking for a sub-adult Black Pastel I would definitely consider purchasing that animal and I would not suspect her to be a misrepresented normal.

Paul

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Nobody is calling anyone's integrity into question here. The OP never even said where they got the snake. For all we know it was purchased on Craigslist from somebody who got it at a pet store.

With that said, it doesn't look like a black pastel to me, either.

Honestly if you have another breeder local I would ask if they could take a look. Seeing an animal in person can help determine better on low grade morphs. I saw a Sugar the other night that you wouldn't believe was one in pictures. Yet it is infact one so don't count her out yet. Questioning the seller to confirm the records isn't a bad idea either.

Like I've stated IMO she doesn't look like one to me but you can always breed her when she's older and prove her out that way... I'm suprised no one else has mentioned this. Lol or she could very well be just a really gorgeous dinker.

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Originally Posted by keith88

Like I've stated IMO she doesn't look like one to me but you can always breed her when she's older and prove her out that way... I'm suprised no one else has mentioned this. Lol or she could very well be just a really gorgeous dinker.

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I agree with this. I would keep her and breed her so even if she turns out not to be one her genetics may enhance the babies looks.

Not a black pastel, she's a nice dinker though. See if you can prove her out to be something else.

This is our Ian G line black pastel boy
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/v...1325340998.jpg

If thats a black pastel then my normal is one too lol. Sorry but I dont see it. From what I have read/seen black pastels are supposed to look like cinnamons.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

If thats a black pastel then my normal is one too lol. Sorry but I dont see it. From what I have read/seen black pastels are supposed to look like cinnamons.

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Are you talking about the pic of my boy black pastel I posted above you?

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Originally Posted by nikitajane25

Are you talking about the pic of my boy black pastel I posted above you?

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I think he means the OP photo

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Originally Posted by nikitajane25

Are you talking about the pic of my boy black pastel I posted above you?

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Nonono lol i was talking to the OP. Your black pastel is awesome! Sorry for the confusion.

Lol its no problem, I thougt you were talking about the op but wasn't 100% sure. :P

I see Black Pastel in the pattern and we all know how much color can vary between morphs...

Thanks for the comments. :)


I've arranged a warranty with the wholeseller if this girl proved out to be not a black pastel. Hope everything turned out well.

I've asked this girl to some local breeder too, and their answer are vary. Some say she's a black pastel, some say she's not.

This is pict when I recently got her (on around 300grams).
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/00131.jpg

Can this pict give anymore clue?

Thanks :)

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Originally Posted by kakarrot

Thanks for the comments. :)


I've arranged a warranty with the wholeseller if this girl proved out to be not a black pastel. Hope everything turned out well.

I've asked this girl to some local breeder too, and their answer are vary. Some say she's a black pastel, some say she's not.

This is pict when I recently got her (on around 300grams).
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/00131.jpg

Can this pict give anymore clue?

Thanks :)

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That photo makes her look like a light black pastel compared to the first photo you posted.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

That photo makes her look like a light black pastel compared to the first photo you posted.

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I agree. First photo I said no, this photo I say yes. By this photo I would buy it as a black pastel myself with no questions. 'Lower' quality, but still a very nice looking girl =)

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Originally Posted by kakarrot

Thanks for the comments. :)


I've arranged a warranty with the wholeseller if this girl proved out to be not a black pastel. Hope everything turned out well.

I've asked this girl to some local breeder too, and their answer are vary. Some say she's a black pastel, some say she's not.

This is pict when I recently got her (on around 300grams).
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/00131.jpg

Can this pict give anymore clue?

Thanks :)

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She looks blk pastel to me in this pic :)

Ive had Black pastels that have been lower expression than that. I can tell by the color and Pattern than she is indeed a black pastel.

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/q...s/DSC04136.jpg

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Originally Posted by kakarrot

Thanks for the comments. :)


I've arranged a warranty with the wholeseller if this girl proved out to be not a black pastel. Hope everything turned out well.

I've asked this girl to some local breeder too, and their answer are vary. Some say she's a black pastel, some say she's not.

This is pict when I recently got her (on around 300grams).
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/x...rrot/00131.jpg

Can this pict give anymore clue?

Thanks :)

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Black pastel. :gj: