Regurgitated Rat

I've had my Male (eddie) since his 2nd shed, he's now 7 years old. I feed him 'when he's hungry', this is when he is more active than usual and takes up position on one of his branches, rather than coiled round his lamp or under his log hide. Usually every 10-14 days or so. I feed either a largeish rat or two chicks. I've never had this problem before:

He was fed earlier this time, 24/12/11, as I was going away for christmas. when I returned,28/12/11, the tank was cooler than normal...mistake with timer switch getting mixed with tree lights (my bad). I took him out and held him a while to warm him a bit. He stayed coiled all this time but I thought nothing of it.

The following morning there was a horrible stench coming from the viv, the large rat had been regurgitated, only the skin had been removed.

I have disinfected the viv and water bowl, had already corrected the Temp, and treated him to some new decor as a get well and christmas pressent.

I assume the rat was not digested properly due to the temp drop and that handling him with a full belly triggered the regurgitation.

Are my assumptions correct? Is there anything else I should do? Thanks in advance.

sounds like you have nailed it. Of course when dealing with animals (or people for that matter) you never can know for sure. It could have been just random, but most likely it was the temps.

Thankyou for the fast reply. Hopefull its the last time that happens, not just for Eddie, it was perhaps the most disgusting thing I've ever had to clear up haha!

Wait two weeks before feeding him again to allow his stomach time to "reset," or you could have another regurge.

Do not feed him for a minimum of two weeks.

In the meantime, their is a product called Benebac which most major pet stores sell in the bird section. It is a probiotic for both birds and reptiles. I would begin dosing his water with it. When you feed him again, add a light sprinkle to the prey item.

Benebac does a good job in replenishing the beneficial bacteria in the snake's digestive system that can become compromised in a regurge event.

I thought waiting a while would be a good idea, didn't mention it in my initial post though. I'll go and try to find the Benebac tomorrow, got a couple of decent shops near by. Good advice, just what I was hoping for. Thankyou for the reply guys

Benji,

Sorry of the Off topic question, but i noticed you mentioned that you feed your BP chicks. Im exploring feeding my BP chicks myself. Do you feed chicks sometimes and rats others? do you have any issues of your BP just preferring over the other? and is it true that when fed chicks the BP's poo is runnier and smellier than if its fed rats?

After the 2-3 week wait, offer a wean rat. Nothing bigger for good 2-3 meals till you know hes keeping it down.

Feed the one, then wait 2 weeks, feed another wait 2 weeks. If all is well then go back to your normal routine.

Cool Rich, will do just that. As for feeding chicks goes, it was easier than getting him from mice to rats believe it or not! He had a longer wait between meals than usual as the local pet store had supply issues. Eventually I gave in and bought chicks. The price difference is huge £0.95 for medium rat vs. £0.30 for 2 small chicks. Even so I usually go rat, rat, chicks as I recon he prefers fur over feathers. No big difference in droppings, i use a pooper-scooper so couldn't really comment on consistancy!
Thanks for your advice guys, only joined today, you've been brilliant!

When would it be safe to start handling again? I'm guessing leave a week after the first small feed?

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

After the 2-3 week wait, offer a wean rat. Nothing bigger for good 2-3 meals till you know hes keeping it down.

Feed the one, then wait 2 weeks, feed another wait 2 weeks. If all is well then go back to your normal routine.

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This is excellent advice. I would only handle him if its absolutely necessary during this process. Once you are back on the normal routine, you can handle him more regularly again. Handling does not necessarily cause a snake to regurge, but it can add some stress which, if a snake is prone to regurge, can end up creating a problem.

Likewise, be careful adding new decor to his enclosure right now. Disinfecting is good, but new stuff can add to stress. Glad you corrected the temps, but let him relax and be at peace to recover these next few weeks then treat him to his new digs. He doesn't need any undue stress right now. ;)

Hope he's doing better soon - keep us posted! :gj:

Thankyou gj. New decor was just a larger version of his previous log hide but in the same position, i thought he'd appreciate the extra cover! Will keep you all posted after the first small feed in about 10 days. I'll put a pic up next time he's posing nicely for us, he's a gorgeous boy!

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Thankyou gj. New decor was just a larger version of his previous log hide but in the same position, i thought he'd appreciate the extra cover! Will keep you all posted after the first small feed in about 10 days. I'll put a pic up next time he's posing nicely for us, he's a gorgeous boy!

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Ah! That's not so bad then. Can't wait to see the pic - we like pics here! ;)

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Lets see if this works! My lovely boy Eddie aged 7.

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Thankyou gj. New decor was just a larger version of his previous log hide but in the same position, i thought he'd appreciate the extra cover! Will keep you all posted after the first small feed in about 10 days. I'll put a pic up next time he's posing nicely for us, he's a gorgeous boy!

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Actually, if the old one was not actually too small for him, you probably shouldn't give him a bigger one. Snakes like hidespots that are just big enough for them to fit snugly in. A larger hide can fail to provide them enough feelings of security and can contribute to stress. Here's the best explanation I've ever found on the subject:
http://proexotics.com/FAQ2.html#33

Awww.... He's cute! Is he doing better now??

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Originally Posted by Benji420

I've had my Male (eddie) since his 2nd shed, he's now 7 years old. I feed him 'when he's hungry', this is when he is more active than usual and takes up position on one of his branches, rather than coiled round his lamp or under his log hide. Usually every 10-14 days or so. I feed either a largeish rat or two chicks. I've never had this problem before:

He was fed earlier this time, 24/12/11, as I was going away for christmas. when I returned,28/12/11, the tank was cooler than normal...mistake with timer switch getting mixed with tree lights (my bad). I took him out and held him a while to warm him a bit. He stayed coiled all this time but I thought nothing of it.

The following morning there was a horrible stench coming from the viv, the large rat had been regurgitated, only the skin had been removed.

I have disinfected the viv and water bowl, had already corrected the Temp, and treated him to some new decor as a get well and christmas pressent.

I assume the rat was not digested properly due to the temp drop and that handling him with a full belly triggered the regurgitation.

Are my assumptions correct? Is there anything else I should do? Thanks in advance.

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The meal was regurgitated by lack of temperature. I remember this happening to my male super pastel once, but he only regurgitated half the rat... eww huh. Try to not handle your snake until atleast a day after it has fed. good luck