Ringer?

Hey guys! So I was checking out my mojo girl today and giving her pattern a heavy once over when I noticed something interesting on her, a couple bright white scales. Its not much, but I was curious, is this considered a ringer? How much white does it take to really be classified as a ringer? Is it just a little flecking? I'd love some input!!

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...26289192_n.jpg

Splatter in the flames is pretty common in different morphs and even in some normals :)

just flecking alot of people can post actual ringers there are plenty that have ringer balls lol if you look close in this girl she has some too in different spots
http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/..._picture30.jpg

I've been told this guys a ringer...

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/x...30935414_n.jpg

Here's some of my ringer girl

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/IMAG0698.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...4/IMAG0697.jpg

Hope this helps :)

None of the balls on this page are "ringers" IMO...when I think of a ringer I think of a very low white pied looking ball without the trademark pied pattern and clean belly (ie a normal looking ball with white pieces to the body). These are what I consider "true" ringers: http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/collec...all_python.asp

edit: Heather posted right when I was writing this: I do see that little ringer thing going on by her BP's tail

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

None of the balls on this page are "ringers" IMO...when I think of a ringer I think of a very low white pied looking ball without the trademark pied pattern and clean belly (ie a normal looking ball with white pieces to the body). These are what I consider "true" ringers: http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/collec...all_python.asp

edit: Heather posted right when I was writing this: I do see that little ringer thing going on by her BP's tail

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Whoa I love that ringer he has on his page! I wish mine had that much white!!!

I honestly do not see it on Heather's... maybe I am just blind? I was just curious on the white splatter. I hadn't seen it on any of my other balls, so I thought I would ask. I had heard people say it can be a small sampling of white.

^ I think some confusion with ringers is that some snakes can have ringer type markings but does that make them a "ringer"? Same with snakes that show the het pied track markings when they arn't het pied. I say feel free to think of your girl as a ringer mojave, but IMO I think she's just a regular mojave with a couple little oddball white scales (me and my bf have two snakes with odd little sprinkles of white here and there that don't go along with their patterns but in no way would I call them ringers).

I have seen plenty of bps with white in their flames but its normal
http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/..._picture30.jpg

A ringer will have a burnt orange around the white spots. It can be as minimal as a few scales up the side to a huge amount of white on the animal. But every time that I have seen or produced a ringer there has been the burnt orange coloration around the white spots. If I had any pics of them I would post them but I just got this computer up and running so I do not have any right now.

Here are a couple of ringers...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...1/Firemale.jpg

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...n_01/11-14.jpg

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Originally Posted by Crawly's Mom

I honestly do not see it on Heather's... maybe I am just blind? I was just curious on the white splatter. I hadn't seen it on any of my other balls, so I thought I would ask. I had heard people say it can be a small sampling of white.

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Heather's is subtle, but the thing that also gives it away as a ringer and not just a high flame is the orange that surrounds the ringerand in this case, extends onto the belly as well. The white speckles are not a ringer in my understanding. I'll post a picture of one of our het pied girls once I am home that has the same orange and a noticeable (but not to the extent of "low white pied") ringer near her tail.

Can't resist an opportunity to post a pic of Spot!

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/x...o/spot3med.jpg

She's a more extreme example of a ringer.

so whats with a ringer? its not genetic is it? i hear people wanting to "dink" around with ringers,,, but why?
sorry if this is a stupid question
spooky

would this be concitered a ringer? http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000137.jpg
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

would this be concitered a ringer? http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000137.jpg
spooky

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Do you have a pic of the stomach?

Here guys! This is a full grown normal Het TSK Axanthic ball. Notice the odd patterning all the way around the body. It is a very different color and is very pixilated and instead of a white belly its very yellow...I hope this helps any confusion!! Ringers just show up. Kinda like a genetic mistake like a birth mark (as far as I know and have read about )

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...i/DSC_0095.jpg
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...i/DSC_0092.jpg
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...i/DSC_0093.jpg

:)

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Originally Posted by Crawly's Mom

I honestly do not see it on Heather's... maybe I am just blind? I was just curious on the white splatter. I hadn't seen it on any of my other balls, so I thought I would ask. I had heard people say it can be a small sampling of white.

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If you look towards the base of her tail, you'll see the burnt Orange color coming around her belly. That's her ringer mark.

I'll try to get a better pic for you tomorrow, if I remember :\

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Originally Posted by Wapadi

Here guys! This is a full grown normal Het TSK Axanthic ball. Notice the odd patterning all the way around the body. It is a very different color and is very pixilated and instead of a white belly its very yellow...I hope this helps any confusion!! Ringers just show up. Kinda like a genetic mistake like a birth mark (as far as I know and have read about )

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...i/DSC_0095.jpg
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...i/DSC_0092.jpg
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...i/DSC_0093.jpg

:)

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the pic i just posted has a belly like that.
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000211.jpg
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000215.jpg
but are ringers really useful in any way?
thanks
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

but are ringers really useful in any way?
thanks
spooky

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They can be...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...Champagnes.jpg

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

They can be...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...Champagnes.jpg

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arent these multi morph pieds?
thanks
spooky

No, they are extreme ringers...

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Originally Posted by LGray23

No, they are extreme ringers...

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thanks for the link! id read it before, but dident put 2&2 together.
so WOW,, those are ringers:O.
but is it genetic? or are ringers in general genetic? or do people just mess with ringers in hopes of coming up with some of these gems;)?
spooky

im all confused now.... so what is the definition of a pied? and how do these 2 snakes not fit that definition?
can the pied gene not show up anywhere,,, like a spontaneous mutation?
thanks
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

thanks for the link! id read it before, but dident put 2&2 together.
so WOW,, those are ringers:O.
but is it genetic? or are ringers in general genetic? or do people just mess with ringers in hopes of coming up with some of these gems;)?
spooky

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The fire ringer male has been bred before and I never produced any ringers. This was the first breeding for the champagne mom. The only ringers in the clutch were champagnes and these two were the most extreme. At this point, I'm not sure if it's all due to mom or did the fire male help. I'll need to do more breedings to figure it out. Plus, all four ringer champs are females so I'm hoping for a male this year. I don't think most ringers are genetic but they are pretty neat to look at, and I'm glad I picked up these two examples.

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

im all confused now.... so what is the definition of a pied? and how do these 2 snakes not fit that definition?
can the pied gene not show up anywhere,,, like a spontaneous mutation?
thanks
spooky

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You can say these are "pied" by definition; however, they do not contain the recessive gene that we refer to as pied. Sure any gene can pop up spontaneously even though the odds are probably extremely high. Some have suggested that it's possible that both parents were unknowingly het pied. That's a longshot as well as the snakes were from seperate breeders and neither has produced any more like the parents. Also, I've seen a picture of a champagne pied and it looked like the spied, an all white snake with the cap of color on it's head.

thanks for the reply! these are defenataly interesting, and i hope that you get good results in further breeding them.
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

thanks for the reply! these are defenataly interesting, and i hope that you get good results in further breeding them.
spooky

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Thanks!! I think messing with unusual snakes is one of the things that makes this hobby so much fun. Some may work out and others won't but either way you'll have neat snakes to look at.

Took me a while, but here are the photos of our het pied girl I promised, with the orange bit around the ringer :)

http://www.soundexotics.com/ringer1.jpg

http://www.soundexotics.com/ringer2.jpg

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

the pic i just posted has a belly like that.
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000211.jpg
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/w.../WP_000215.jpg
but are ringers really useful in any way?
thanks
spooky

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i'd say definitly a ringer, it has that orange tint mixed with the random odd pattern, very subtle, but its for sure there, incase you were still wondering