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  • 12-27-2011, 01:46 PM
    armison89
    Bel?
    if i buy a BEL from someone who doesnt know what morph the parents were how will i know what the babies will be? will they only be whatever the parents were? or could they be any of the morphs that make BELs?
  • 12-27-2011, 01:48 PM
    Rat160
    Re: Bel?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by armison89 View Post
    if i buy a BEL from someone who doesnt know what morph the parents were how will i know what the babies will be? will they only be whatever the parents were? or could they be any of the morphs that make BELs?

    No way to tell could be any combination of lesser, butter, mojave ect. Unless you know the parents there is no way to know for certain.

    So i ask you are you a gambling man?
  • 12-27-2011, 01:50 PM
    DemmBalls
    Re: Bel?
    I wouldnt buy one from a breeder who doesn't even know how he produced the BEL. Buy from a more responsible breeder.
  • 12-27-2011, 01:55 PM
    armison89
    Re: Bel?
    it was a hypothetical ?.
    so if the parents were a lesser x mojave the babies will only be lessers or mojaves?
  • 12-27-2011, 01:56 PM
    snakesRkewl
    Re: Bel?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by armison89 View Post
    so if the parents were a lesser x mojave the babies will only be lessers or mojaves?

    Correct, the offspring can only be whatever the BEL was made from.

    If it was Lesser X Mojave then all offspring will be lessers or mojaves.
  • 12-27-2011, 01:59 PM
    armison89
    Re: Bel?
    ok thanks i want to breed a mystic to a bel when i own them. now i know the bel well have to have mojave in her. thanks
  • 12-27-2011, 02:10 PM
    Orijin0XazN
    Re: Bel?
    Well from what I've seen, there are ways to tell the difference. Correct me if I’m wrong. :D

    Super Lessers or Super Butters produce white BELs (sometimes with bug eyes)
    Super Mojave have the dirty greyish head
    Super Russos have a faint white line along the spine
    Lesser/Mojave BELs Pure white, with a faint yellowish line along the spine as they age.
    Lesser Pied produce the whitest BEL, with small black eyes
    Super Fire (Black Eye Lucy) Can produce all white snakes with black eyes, sometimes with orange/yellowish patches

    There are other ways to produce BELs....But I'm not familiar with it. Good luck!!
  • 12-27-2011, 02:18 PM
    Orijin0XazN
    Re: Bel?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by armison89 View Post
    ok thanks i want to breed a mystic to a bel when i own them. now i know the bel well have to have mojave in her. thanks


    I think when you breed a Mystic to a BEL, you'll probably get a mystic potion...right?
  • 12-27-2011, 02:38 PM
    BigJayPiercer
    A Lesser Pied is not a A Black Eyed Lucy it is a Piebald Lesser!!!
  • 12-27-2011, 04:06 PM
    Domepiece
    Re: Bel?
    [QUOTE=armison89;1727313]if i buy a BEL from someone who doesnt know what morph the parents were how will i know what the babies will be? will they only be whatever the parents were? or could they be any of the morphs that make BELs?[/QUOTEF

    First of all if your buying a bel from someone and they dont know what made it I would think twice. And you can tell on some bel's what the parents were for instance super mojave's look different than super lessers and so on, it would only be hard to tell if they are crossed, for instance butter/lesser. Also you should be able to tell what the babies are especially if they are mojave but I suppose it may get more difficult when you get into the lesser/butter situation.
  • 12-27-2011, 04:38 PM
    armison89
    Re: Bel?
    yes i want to make mystic potions. i love ball pythons with stripes or lines.
  • 12-27-2011, 04:42 PM
    Orijin0XazN
    Re: Bel?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BigJayPiercer View Post
    A Lesser Pied is not a A Black Eyed Lucy it is a Piebald Lesser!!!

    According to Wikipedia, The underlying genetic cause is related to a condition known as leucism. Therefore puts Pied in the Leucistic category. What eye color does Lesser-pied have? Black...So yea....Not saying you have to agree with me, but that's how I see it. That's like saying Super Mojaves are not Blue Eyed Leucistics, but they are.
  • 12-27-2011, 04:50 PM
    OhhWatALoser
    Re: Bel?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Orijin0XazN View Post
    Correct me if I’m wrong. :D

    Super Russos have a faint yellow line along the spine
    Lesser Pied produce the whitest BEL, with small black eyes and sometimes having lesser spots, not really a BEL

    To the OP, as said below, i would be really worried if someone did not know what was in their BEL. I mean there are situations like if you bred a lesser/mojave BEL to a lesser.... then you honestly might not know, but you can explain to someone what you bred.
  • 12-27-2011, 05:00 PM
    Orijin0XazN
    Re: Bel?
    So question...

    So why are super fires with patches of yellowish/gold still considered a Black Eye leucistic?
  • 12-27-2011, 06:23 PM
    OhhWatALoser
    Re: Bel?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Orijin0XazN View Post
    So question...

    So why are super fires with patches of yellowish/gold still considered a Black Eye leucistic?

    try finding a real medical or biological definition to leucistic, I have yet to find one. heck firefox even thinks I'm spelling it wrong, it's not even in their dictionary. lol

    But straight form wikipedia

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wiki
    This results in either the entire surface (if all pigment cells fail to develop) or patches of body surface (if only a subset are defective) having a lack of cells capable of making pigment.

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