Bel vs Bel pastel vs Bel superpastel

Heya

I've heard that it's quite easy to tell a regular bel (mojave x mojave) from a pastel bel by looking at it's head. But are there any difference between a pastel bel and a super pastel bel?

Depends on the make up of the BEL. My Lesser Mojave BEL is pure white, so I cannot see how a pastel gene would make any difference.

I would like to see side by side picks of a Super Mojave and a Pastel Super Mojave

I do understand that it's very hard, or impossible, to tell on a pure white snake. Maybe I was unclear, but I was asking about the mojave x mojave bel, which is not pure white.

Mojave x Mojave has that grey head. Everything else tends to be pretty clear. There's one that tends to have a yellow stripe on its back but I can't remember what pairing that is.. Other genes that are present in BELs are not easily visible. I read somewhere that when other pattern genes are present you can see them under a black light but I can't confirm that LOL. The point of having other genes in a BEL is only for if you plan on introducing it into other breeding projects.. (I hope this makes some sense.. I'm exhausted lol)

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Originally Posted by decensored

Mojave x Mojave has that grey head. Everything else tends to be pretty clear. There's one that tends to have a yellow stripe on its back but I can't remember what pairing that is.. Other genes that are present in BELs are not easily visible. I read somewhere that when other pattern genes are present you can see them under a black light but I can't confirm that LOL. The point of having other genes in a BEL is only for if you plan on introducing it into other breeding projects.. (I hope this makes some sense.. I'm exhausted lol)

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The yellow stripe you're thinking of is the Ivory (Yellowbelly x Yellowbelly), not related to BELs.

I wouldn't want to breed or buy a BEL that has anything more than two genes in it. It would be far cheaper and more straightforward to just get a Pastave if you really wanted a combo morph for breeding. Adding Pastel to the BEL complex just doesn't make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

Adding Pastel to the BEL complex just doesn't make sense to me.

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Makes sense to me to do it for the purpose of having more complex breeders, not so much as an end product if they look the same with/without the pastel.

Does anyone have a pic handy of the Pastel Super Mojave?

For the other BELs one parent would have to be Super Pastel to know you hit the gene. I doubt pastel would show up under black light on a BEL. Maybe spider or pin would?

Here's a bad picture of a pastel super mojave.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...perMojave1.jpg

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

I wouldn't want to breed or buy a BEL that has anything more than two genes in it. It would be far cheaper and more straightforward to just get a Pastave if you really wanted a combo morph for breeding. Adding Pastel to the BEL complex just doesn't make sense to me.

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I purchased her with the idea of producing pastel crystals or super pastel crystals...

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

Here's a bad picture of a pastel super mojave.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...perMojave1.jpg

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Looks like the head is still grey, but the white has a lot of yellow. I agree it would be a powerful breeder.

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Looks like the head is still grey, but the white has a lot of yellow. I agree it would be a powerful breeder.

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It does have a grey head so I'm not 100% sure it's a pastel but it's very yellow so I'm pretty convinced. We shall see...

Has anyone used the black light thing to look for pattern? I know there is the video from raphy on the different white snakes under black lights at nerd? And I know that in that video the super mojave bel had quite a bit of pattern and a dark line down its back... has everyone else witnessed that in there super mojaves or does each animal vary?

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Originally Posted by Fearless

Has anyone used the black light thing to look for pattern? I know there is the video from raphy on the different white snakes under black lights at nerd? And I know that in that video the super mojave bel had quite a bit of pattern and a dark line down its back... has everyone else witnessed that in there super mojaves or does each animal vary?

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I took and posted black light pics of my Lesser Mojave BEL, and he has a bit of a pattern. It would be interesting to see more white snakes under black light.

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Originally Posted by meowmeowkazoo

The yellow stripe you're thinking of is the Ivory (Yellowbelly x Yellowbelly), not related to BELs.

I wouldn't want to breed or buy a BEL that has anything more than two genes in it. It would be far cheaper and more straightforward to just get a Pastave if you really wanted a combo morph for breeding. Adding Pastel to the BEL complex just doesn't make sense to me.

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White Diamonds (het. russo x het. russo) have popped out with a very distinct yellow stripe on their backs, as have Latte's (super Mocha's).

And a Pastel BEL is a great snake to have.. You'd never get normals and you can add Pastel to w.e you breed it to. Pastave x normal = normals, pastels, mojos, pastaves. Pastel Super Mojo x normal = mojos, pastaves. Definitely beats having a pastave.

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Originally Posted by that_dc5

White Diamonds (het. russo x het. russo) have popped out with a very distinct yellow stripe on their backs, as have Latte's (super Mocha's).

And a Pastel BEL is a great snake to have.. You'd never get normals and you can add Pastel to w.e you breed it to. Pastave x normal = normals, pastels, mojos, pastaves. Pastel Super Mojo x normal = mojos, pastaves. Definitely beats having a pastave.

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Oh, I know that. I guess I can't think of a way to explain why it doesn't appeal to me. I'm not saying that it's worthless to add the pastel gene to a BEL, just that I'd rather go for other options.

A super pastel BEL has LOTS of potential. Paired with a super pewter or super pastel ivory or any other double super gives you a four gene hatchling out of every egg!!! That nothing to sneeze at

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Originally Posted by billye1982

A super pastel BEL has LOTS of potential. Paired with a super pewter or super pastel ivory or any other double super gives you a four gene hatchling out of every egg!!! That nothing to sneeze at

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Exactly. You best believe if my Pastel Lesser and Mocha make a BEL, I am most definitely gonna hold it back and see what I get from it.