Feeding Rat Pup to Adult BP?!!!!!!!?

I was on youtube last night and saw some idiot feeding a rat pup to an adult BP. :O First off it was cruel because becasue the BP couldn't even constrict it because it was so small so it basically bit into the pup and knawed on it while it was still alive. Second, who on earth would feed a pup to an adult BP? The BP had to still be starving after that meal. Anyway, I gave it to this idiot good! Just wanted to share on this ridiculous youtube vid...

Im assuming when you mean "adult" you mean fully grown adult, right? In which case feeding a rat pup would be pretty darn stupid lol. In some cases, an adult bp can be really undersized due to not being fed at the beginning of its life. My three year old female bp is little over 31 inches, she looks healthy but is just extremely small. She was fed rat pups all her life until I took her in. She's moved up to small rats right now, but I seriously doubt she's going to get that much bigger. And yea back to your point, ignorant pet owners :mad:

Yes, full grown adult!! This BP had some girth!!!!

If the snake hadn't been gnawing on the rat pup, I see no problem with it. Granted, that's too small of a meal, but if it's all you got, it's all you got.

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Originally Posted by that_dc5

If the snake hadn't been gnawing on the rat pup, I see no problem with it. Granted, that's too small of a meal, but if it's all you got, it's all you got.

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Well if that's the persons excuse.. "that's all I could get", than it's a poor excuse!! If you can't find the proper meal for your BP in your area, then you should think twice about getting one. That's just my opinion.

I have to say that I have already fed a live rat pup to my male normal once. My male is a little over a year old. Now, before you jump on me, let me explain why I had to do this. My male normal went off feed for 43 days and would not eat small rats or mice of any kind. I had to give him a live rat pup to get him eating for me again. Mind you, I only did this one time.

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Originally Posted by ballpythonluvr

I have to say that I have already fed a live rat pup to my male normal once. My male is a little over a year old. Now, before you jump on me, let me explain why I had to do this. My male normal went off feed for 43 days and would not eat small rats or mice of any kind. I had to give him a live rat pup to get him eating for me again. Mind you, I only did this one time.

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I can totally respect that. And there is nothing wrong with that. If this person did this for the same reason I think he should have explained himself before the feeding. Some people may look at it the same way that I did and jump the gun. I didn't check out his other comments, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one who got on him about his broadcast.

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Originally Posted by ballpythonluvr

I have to say that I have already fed a live rat pup to my male normal once. My male is a little over a year old. Now, before you jump on me, let me explain why I had to do this. My male normal went off feed for 43 days and would not eat small rats or mice of any kind. I had to give him a live rat pup to get him eating for me again. Mind you, I only did this one time.

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I'm afraid I'm going to have to the same or even use a small mouse hopper to get my Fire eating again.

It's apparently become timid and afraid of 'lively' adult mice after the attempted, unsuccessful F/T switch.

I need to rebuild the snake's confidence and desire to eat and although I'm loathe to do it, now, considering what the OP wrote, I'm going to have to do something just like that.

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Personally jumping the gun can make you look silly...

I just sold a 2000+ gram lesser female that ate hundreds of rat pups last year, was it wrong?
It also ate weanlings a lot, wrong again?

Maybe just maybe you were completely out of line....I believe you were.

Does she look malnourished?
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...alMedium-1.jpg

Obviously it didn't get that big by feeding on one rat pup a week. Unless he bought him from somebody he had to be feeding larger rats or more than one. How do you know what the situation is by watching one video? Maybe that's all he had. Maybe he fed him five or more rat pups to be sufficient and only recorded the first one?

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Originally Posted by Salamander

I'm afraid I'm going to have to the same or even use a small mouse hopper to get my Fire eating again.

It's apparently become timid and afraid of 'lively' adult mice after the attempted, unsuccessful F/T switch.

I need to rebuild the snake's confidence and desire to eat and although I'm loathe to do it, now, considering what the OP wrote, I'm going to have to do something just like that.

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Just feed him more than one! It's not rocket science come on use your brain people.

^ I agree ^

I feed a rat pup to an appropriate size bp and had trouble constricting it and the pup suffered a lot. Against my better judgement, after about 30 mins of torture I separated them and feed it off to a 1800 gram bp who had no problem.

I also seen one consumed live so Im going to go with the typical line...it happens in the wild

I've fed tons of rat pups to adults. It just takes more pups to feed them, or more often feeds. My snakes haven't ever had an issue constricting rat pups or weanlings or mice.

And as far as "that's all he could get so he shouldn't have gotten a BP" idea... maybe he's been feeding regular sized rats and just now there was a shortage in his area. Perhaps to you, it's better to starve the snake than to give it a smaller than usual meal.

You said it had "good girth" so it's not starved. In my area, no less than 4 rat breeders shut down operations because they were losing money because so many pet stores have gone under. So finding appropriate sized rats(or any rats at all) was a trial for a while. When I found smaller rats, I just got more of them.

But then, perhaps you'll flame me now, since I'm obviously not feeding my snakes correctly and don't know what I'm doing either? Perhaps I should give away my collection, because for a short time I had to scramble to find rodents?

Hmmmmm.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Personally jumping the gun can make you look silly...

I just sold a 2000+ gram lesser female that ate hundreds of rat pups last year, was it wrong?
It also ate weanlings a lot, wrong again?

Maybe just maybe you were completely out of line....I believe you were.

Does she look malnourished?
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...alMedium-1.jpg

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:rofl: Nah, don't think I look silly at all. But, then again I really don't mind what people may think. As far as being COMPLETELY out of line.... Wrong!! BTW, I can't view your pics...

Perhaps you were out of line by jumping the gun on me. There is no need to take jabs at me like that. There are ways to speak your mind without being rude. (like I did on youtube) Were you rude.... I believe you were! (PLAY NICE)

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

Perhaps you were out of line by jumping the gun on me. There is no need to take jabs at me like that. There are ways to speak your mind without being rude. (like I did on youtube) Were you rude.... I believe you were! (PLAY NICE)

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I gave it to this idiot good! Just wanted to share on this ridiculous youtube vid...

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This shows how rude you were, no knowledge just jump in and lay it on the guy, again, you were rude and completely out of line...
You have no business telling people what size food to feed their snakes, completely out of line.
As mentioned in the wild do you think they'd pass up that meal? hell no

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I've fed tons of rat pups to adults. It just takes more pups to feed them, or more often feeds. My snakes haven't ever had an issue constricting rat pups or weanlings or mice.

And as far as "that's all he could get so he shouldn't have gotten a BP" idea... maybe he's been feeding regular sized rats and just now there was a shortage in his area. Perhaps to you, it's better to starve the snake than to give it a smaller than usual meal.

You said it had "good girth" so it's not starved. In my area, no less than 4 rat breeders shut down operations because they were losing money because so many pet stores have gone under. So finding appropriate sized rats(or any rats at all) was a trial for a while. When I found smaller rats, I just got more of them.

But then, perhaps you'll flame me now, since I'm obviously not feeding my snakes correctly and don't know what I'm doing either? Perhaps I should give away my collection, because for a short time I had to scramble to find rodents?

Hmmmmm.

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OK??? Why would I flame you? you are speaking your mind. And guess what.. now that I read what you had to say I agree that it makes sense. Guess I wasn't thinking. I guess that's why I posted this on here to get some feedback. Isn't that what a forum is for? I just thought it looked cruel at the time.

Talk about jumping the gun!!! JEEZ!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

This shows how rude you were, no knowledge just jump in and lay it on the guy, again, you were rude and completely out of line...
You have no business telling people what size food to feed their snakes, completely out of line.
As mentioned in the wild do you think they'd pass up that meal? hell no

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That is what I wrote on here. That don't mean that's what I said when I commented on youtube. WOW!!!!! People amaze me!!!

I don't know you and you don't know me, so don't take this personally or the wrong way. I see you just joined this site within the past month, so I will ASSume here that you are fairly new to keeping bps. Just as you don't know me and I don't know you, you also don't know this person on youtube who posted a feeding video, nor do you know the circumstances behind the snake. You just watched a video, you felt the prey item was too small and chose to flame the poster rather than consider that there could be other factors you haven't thought about. What if this snake won't take anything larger than a rat pup? You even said that this was an adult snake with some girth, so it apparently isn't malnourished or being neglected... What makes you a bp expert with the knowledge, experience and apparently psychic ability, qualified to flame random strangers on the internet without any background information?

You'll find that in life, your attitude and the way you conduct yourself when you approach a situation like that is just as important (if not more so) than the information you're trying to communicate or educate. I'm sure that in the opinion of the youtube video guy, you're just some jerk on the internet with a bad attitude when this could have potentially been an educational experience for him had the information been presented differently.

Just something to chew on...

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

This shows how rude you were, no knowledge just jump in and lay it on the guy, again, you were rude and completely out of line...
You have no business telling people what size food to feed their snakes, completely out of line.
As mentioned in the wild do you think they'd pass up that meal? hell no

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

This shows how rude you were, no knowledge just jump in and lay it on the guy, again, you were rude and completely out of line...
You have no business telling people what size food to feed their snakes, completely out of line.
As mentioned in the wild do you think they'd pass up that meal? hell no

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Never said what to feed him. I think you are getting carried away don't you? You need a time out! Go stand in the corner! :rofl: Relax and enjoy the forum. Wow, I think my anger management class is paying off. If you look at a couple posts back I did say I wasn't thinking didn't I?

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

Talk about jumping the gun!!! JEEZ!!!!!!!

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Me defending the person you blasted on a youtube video is not jumping the gun, that's all on you.
What was wrong with making this an educational thread by asking questions?

You would have gotten the answers you wanted and then maybe you wouldn't look so mean responding to his video, just a thought.

Have a nice day :gj:

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

I don't know you and you don't know me, so don't take this personally or the wrong way. I see you just joined this site within the past month, so I will ASSume here that you are fairly new to keeping bps. Just as you don't know me and I don't know you, you also don't know this person on youtube who posted a feeding video, nor do you know the circumstances behind the snake. You just watched a video, you felt the prey item was too small and chose to flame the poster rather than consider that there could be other factors you haven't thought about. What if this snake won't take anything larger than a rat pup? You even said that this was an adult snake with some girth, so it apparently isn't malnourished or being neglected... What makes you a bp expert with the knowledge, experience and apparently psychic ability, qualified to flame random strangers on the internet without any background information?

You'll find that in life, your attitude and the way you conduct yourself when you approach a situation like that is just as important (if not more so) than the information you're trying to communicate or educate. I'm sure that in the opinion of the youtube video guy, you're just some jerk on the internet with a bad attitude when this could have potentially been an educational experience for him had the information been presented differently.

Just something to chew on...

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Never said I flamed the poster. Saying I gave it to him good doesn't mean I flamed him. Read a couple of posts back. I said that it made sense why he would have done that. I said I wasn't thinking. I don't get what the problem is...

I have found on here that feeding and heating are like talking religion and politics. This is the place to look, learn, and take everything with a grain of salt and to develop what works for you and your animals.

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

Never said what to feed him. I think you are getting carried away don't you? You need a time out! Go stand in the corner! :rofl: Relax and enjoy the forum. Wow, I think my anger management class is paying off. If you look at a couple posts back I did say I wasn't thinking didn't I?

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I think he posted this before you posted that you had come around and realized the error of your ways. Nobody is trying to flame you here. At least most aren't, simply educating you on the possible situations as to why this guy would feed an adult a rat pup :)

Alright folks, I see this thread is becoming a little heated. Let's try and be civil to one another. To the OP, I do have to agree with those that are saying you were a bit over the top though. Sometimes there are certain circumstances as to why people take care of their snakes the way they do. You ceratinly were in the wrong for flaming the gentlemen on youtube.

Also some people will post without reading all of the posts. Just an F.Y.I. :)

Also, when someone takes the time to craft a well worded response, there might be a few more one or two line replies that sneak in while the person is taking their time to give you an educated answer... :twocents:

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Originally Posted by ballpythonluvr

Alright folks, I see this thread is becoming a little heated. Let's try and be civil to one another. To the OP, I do have to agree with those that are saying you were a bit over the top though. Sometimes there are certain circumstances as to why people take care of their snakes the way they do. You ceratinly were in the wrong for flaming the gentlemen on youtube.

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He just said he didn't flame him. People need to read all the posts before posting and making the OP angrier :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ballpythonluvr

Alright folks, I see this thread is becoming a little heated. Let's try and be civil to one another. To the OP, I do have to agree with those that are saying you were a bit over the top though. Sometimes there are certain circumstances as to why people take care of their snakes the way they do. You ceratinly were in the wrong for flaming the gentlemen on youtube.

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WOW!!!! I never said I flamed him!!! Read the OP!!!!!! I admitted I was wrong I agree with a couple of things people said on here. What else do you want me to say. Yes I should have asked it as a question. Everyone must be perfect on here I guess. I am far from a jerk and I don't appreciate being flamed. You are all getting on me for flamming this youtube person which I didn't even do and yet here you are talking down to me.

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

WOW!!!! I never said I flamed him!!! Read the OP!!!!!! I admitted I was wrong I agree with a couple of things people said on here. What else do you want me to say. Yes I should have asked it as a question. Everyone must be perfect on here I guess. I am far from a jerk and I don't appreciate being flamed. You are all getting on me for flamming this youtube person which I didn't even do and yet here you are talking down to me.

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See, I told you that would happen :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

WOW!!!! I never said I flamed him!!! Read the OP!!!!!! I admitted I was wrong I agree with a couple of things people said on here. What else do you want me to say. Yes I should have asked it as a question. Everyone must be perfect on here I guess. I am far from a jerk and I don't appreciate being flamed. You are all getting on me for flamming this youtube person which I didn't even do and yet here you are talking down to me.

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Ok. Then I was wrong. I apologize for that. I totally misread your post. Forgive me, I am not having the best day.

When you say "I gave it to him good" and call him names here, that in NO WAY implies you calmly asked if he needed husbandry advice.

Now that people didn't agree with you, suddenly you were completely polite to him on youtube? Which was it? "Give it to him good" does not translate to posting advice politely.

My post to you was in HOPES it would make you think about jumping on someone for what they did without thinking it through from their point of view. This site is known for educating new owners especially if they aren't practicing good husbandry and bashing someone for doing something "wrong" is not educating them. It's driving them AWAY from good advice. If you wouldn't bash me for feeding a rat pup to a larger BP, why would you do so to some random youtube guy?

And AGAIN... you used the term that implied you flamed and bashed him, AND you called him stupid in your first post. And that is why readers here "assume" you flamed and bashed the guy, because you said you did.

Suck it up, dude. The "Gee, I'm sorry I guess I didn't think it through" is evidence you're a smart guy who isn't a jerk. I appreciate that you're not just a keyboard kommando who gets off on bashing folks online. I do.

Just understand, when you post here, and people disagree, don't try to say you didn't do what your first post says you did. Most people either haven't read to see the apology, or the apology wasn't posted yet, because several people were posting at once.

Again, I appreciate that you see you might have been wrong in the initial assumption. Takes a big guy to admit they might have been hasty in their decisions. *thumbs up*

Hope to see you posting more soon. Just duck your head down some...makes the rocks sting a bit less when they hit.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

When you say "I gave it to him good" and call him names here, that in NO WAY implies you calmly asked if he needed husbandry advice.

Now that people didn't agree with you, suddenly you were completely polite to him on youtube? Which was it? "Give it to him good" does not translate to posting advice politely.

My post to you was in HOPES it would make you think about jumping on someone for what they did without thinking it through from their point of view. This site is known for educating new owners especially if they aren't practicing good husbandry and bashing someone for doing something "wrong" is not educating them. It's driving them AWAY from good advice. If you wouldn't bash me for feeding a rat pup to a larger BP, why would you do so to some random youtube guy?

And AGAIN... you used the term that implied you flamed and bashed him, AND you called him stupid in your first post. And that is why readers here "assume" you flamed and bashed the guy, because you said you did.

Suck it up, dude. The "Gee, I'm sorry I guess I didn't think it through" is evidence you're a smart guy who isn't a jerk. I appreciate that you're not just a keyboard kommando who gets off on bashing folks online. I do.

Just understand, when you post here, and people disagree, don't try to say you didn't do what your first post says you did. Most people either haven't read to see the apology, or the apology wasn't posted yet, because several people were posting at once.

Again, I appreciate that you see you might have been wrong in the initial assumption. Takes a big guy to admit they might have been hasty in their decisions. *thumbs up*

Hope to see you posting more soon. Just duck your head down some...makes the rocks sting a bit less when they hit.

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Sorry but i read the first to sentences then stopped. I cannot continue discuss this further because its all misunderstood. Have a good day!

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

Sorry but i read the first to sentences then stopped. I cannot continue discuss this further because its all misunderstood. Have a good day!

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Wow... Then you missed the important part and the whole point of Wolfy's post... Oh well, at least we tried, right T?

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Originally Posted by Spyderco1116

Sorry but i read the first to sentences then stopped. I cannot continue discuss this further because its all misunderstood. Have a good day!

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Wow... Then you missed the important part and the whole point of Wolfy's post... Oh well, at least we tried, right T?

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I actually did go back and read it. Hats off to you!

Sarcasim? Hmmmmm... Oh well what else can i say. See it how you want. You can go on forever like this. Glad to see u admitted u are on here to flame ppl. How did someone put it...? A well thought out answer or something along those lines. I agree. Are we done now bashing a newbie for being wrong and making s mistake. I hope I don't get ignored on here because I love this forum and the knowledge everyone has. Like i said before I am far from a jerk. Wasn't everyone a newbie once and made a mistake before? Or went about something the wrong way. For whatever reason?

You also didn't post the video, or the comment you made, so you might want to hush unless you have the balls to post it.

This thread is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. Pretty much everyone was in the wrong. The OP did have some "I flamed this dude" to it BUT that doesn't mean that everyone should bash on him for something you THINK he meant by it.

Also, to the OP, getting so heated up about things is asinine. This forum is about being educated, educating the uneducated, and showing off your wonderful pets. People may have bashed on you for it but that's when you say "Okay. I understand how you all feel" and then you stop replying.

When you all reply in a heated tone it just causes more of an argument.

Over the past 3 days a lot of these posts have started coming up where everyone is bashing on one another for some stupid reason. You may think you are in the right by trying to tell someone they're wrong but in the real world it just aggravates people. Put in your two cents and leave it at that don't keep replying as it just causes more of a problem.

You people need to take some chill pills. The holiday's become to stressful for all of you? Jees.

Some of these posts make me want to stop coming to this forum.

Just my two cents.

Thanks,

RJ

It's all good... We were all new once, and trust me, the seasoned veteran members here won't hold a grudge against you for being new or making mistakes. To be honest, if you come in and make mistakes, then be humble and learn from the advice we give, you're going to see that we will continue to take the time to answer your questions and help you. You accepted that you possibly jumped the gun, you're taking the blows that come with it and we'll all move on from it... Don't let this discourage you from posting and absorbing the wealth of knowledge that this site can offer you just because you got a little tough-love in the beginning.

It's all about how you move forward and how you use this as a learning experience... Be humble, accept the good advice and let the rest roll off your back. Keep posting, keep asking questions and keep learning. That's how we got from being the "newb" to being here taking our time to offer advice and experience to those starting out the same way we did...

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

You also didn't post the video, or the comment you made, so you might want to hush unless you have the balls to post it.

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Stop it with not reading all the posts before posting!

Yep.. too much assuming and instigating and getting all heated up for no reason ......... without any actual proof.

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Originally Posted by evan385

Stop it with not reading all the posts before posting!

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I'm sorry, Evan, but do you see a video linked anywhere?

No.


So maybe you should stop being rude to me for no reason.

K thanks.



PS .... I read all the comments. Was mostly a waste of my time. I wasn't complaining about it either.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

You also didn't post the video, or the comment you made, so you might want to hush unless you have the balls to post it.

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Wow Jessica... It's comments like that one that will discourage the new snake owners from coming back to this site. I don't know what has happened to you lately, but when someone pees in your Wheaties, do us all a favor... Pour it out and go make another bowl, but don't take it out on other members of the site...

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Wow Jessica... It's comments like that one that will discourage the new snake owners from coming back to this site. I don't know what has happened to you lately, but when someone pees in your Wheaties, do us all a favor... Pour it out and go make another bowl, but don't take it out on other members of the site...

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x2, also how was I rude to you? That comment of not reading all the posts before posting was to everyone not just you. The OP dun said that he was in the wrong and he didn't know any better.

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Originally Posted by Inknsteel

Wow Jessica... It's comments like that one that will discourage the new snake owners from coming back to this site. I don't know what has happened to you lately, but when someone pees in your Wheaties, do us all a favor... Pour it out and go make another bowl, but don't take it out on other members of the site...

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I don't know what you mean by "lately."


The OP was spazzing out. If he just posted what he said, which honestly I don't think he should have had to, he could have avoided all of the accusations in the first place. Maybe I shouldn't say "balls?"


I don't know why you two are taking so much offense to the simple comment I made.

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

I don't know what you mean by "lately."


The OP was spazzing out. If he just posted what he said, which honestly I don't think he should have had to, he could have avoided all of the accusations in the first place. Maybe I shouldn't say "balls?"

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By still replying you're just going to keep the "flaming" going. Just calm down and stop replying to all of the posts.

This goes to everyone.

Can a moderator lock this thread please?

Thanks,

RJ

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Originally Posted by Viperk

By still replying you're just going to keep the "flaming" going. Just calm down and stop replying to all of the posts.

This goes to everyone.

Can a moderator lock this thread please?

Thanks,

RJ

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x2, this thread has served it's original purpose by educating the OP.

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Originally Posted by Viperk

By still replying you're just going to keep the "flaming" going. Just calm down and stop replying to all of the posts.

This goes to everyone.

Can a moderator lock this thread please?

Thanks,

RJ

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I only made one comment, replied to and AGREED with you, and then replied to the people who quoted me. I'm sorry, but I'm not trying to continue a problem, and apparently everyone is sensitive today.

My initial comment wasn't FLAMING the OP. As I said, I don't think anyone should have to come on here and explain themselves, but it would have saved him a lot of trouble to just man up and post what he said on the video to prove everyone wrong.

How am I in the wrong?


Whatever. Sorry, OP, but it wasn't meant against you. If you really didn't flame the video, though, you could have saved defending yourself a lot by just posting the proof.


And I don't know where I missed it, but when were we educating the OP?

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Originally Posted by Viperk

Can a moderator lock this thread please?

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Indeed, we can.

The tone of this thread was set in the very first post. Using terms like "idiot" and "giving it to him good" imply "FLAME ON". The OP just didn't expect some of the flames to get turned onto them.

Sometimes we see something we think is bad, and we just want others to agree with us. That turned out not to be the case, and the OP finds themselves in the very uncomfortable position of back peddling and trying to make it good again. Sometimes members get so caught up in "teaching a lesson" that they don't allow the "student" to even have a chance to grasp it as they continue to beat him over the head with it.

Let's just let this one go, folks. Time to move on.