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Abnormal Bee?
I've posted this girl along side her nicer looking sib before wondering about the differents in color betwwen them. It got me thinking about her coloring.
It is common for Bumble Bees to have no yellow on them?
She appears to have no yellow. More orangey, peachy, tan look. I've seen many Bumble bees (for sale and pics), and they all have some sort of yellow. It this one just really drab or what......
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...C_0013copy.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...C_0010copy.jpg
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Orange/peach/tan turns to brown.
Regards,
B
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by Simple Man
Orange/peach/tan turns to brown.
Regards,
B
Yes, I know this happens. I have never seen a bumble bee without some kind of yellow. Even the dirty ones have some kind of yellow on them.
Have you ever seen a brown and white bumble bee???
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Yep. All the time. Yours is just a lot younger than most. The future doesn't look bright... lol.
Regards,
B
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That's odd. I would think that the pastel gene would have some effect. All the pastels and the other bees in the clutch have nice yellow coloring.
Maybe the sibs got all the color and there no more left for her:)
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
Sorry to say...That is just a low quality Bee. Still a nice BP, just not a good example of the Bee morph.
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Looks like a spider to me
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by joebad976
Looks like a spider to me
I don't think it's a spider. I hatched a few of those this year also and they look nothing like each other.
I was thinking the same thing until my spiders hatched 2 weeks later.
I was just thinking that she looked odd( having no yellow, AT ALL), but I guess it happens more than I thought. I have never seen a bumble bee for sale that looks like her. Do breeders that produces these "dirty" bees sell them or just not even offer them for sale?
I think she's kinda cool looking....and it's a female so she's worth keeping.
Thanks to all that replied.
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
I do not think it is abnormal. Sadly, i think you just produced or bought a very low quality bee.
But, it is defiantly not a spider. just a not so good bee. :(
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
As pastels vary in yellow so will your bees.
Spiders and bees tend to throw speckles of color here and there so I am sure you will see some yellow speckling. Looks like it will be a browner one overall though.
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by lunapoo
I do not think it is abnormal. Sadly, i think you just produced or bought a very low quality bee.
But, it is defiantly not a spider. just a not so good bee. :(
She is the ugly duckling of the clutch for sure, but it sounds like there will be no swan at the end of this story...lol
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by joebad976
Looks like a spider to me
Why would you think it's a spider? Maybe you can't tell the difference? It's very obviously a low quality bee. Sorry man better luck next clutch and i've heard of low quality morphs producing high quality morphs so you can still use her.
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by evan385
Why would you think it's a spider? Maybe you can't tell the difference? It's very obviously a low quality bee. Sorry man better luck next clutch and i've heard of low quality morphs producing high quality morphs so you can still use her.
I can't complain about the clutch. 7 eggs= 3 Bumble bees, 3 pastels and 1 normal. I hope to hit odds like those in the future.
One "dirty" bee isn't too bad.
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not trying to sound rude or whatever but if you want to avoid this same scenario in the future I wouldn't breed it
people hold back holdbacks for a reason
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by SkYyame
not trying to sound rude or whatever but if you want to avoid this same scenario in the future I wouldn't breed it
people hold back holdbacks for a reason
She's definitly not the nicest bee, but she IS a 2 gene animal. To me that's a better breeder that a "normal".
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by MS2
I can't complain about the clutch. 7 eggs= 3 Bumble bees, 3 pastels and 1 normal. I hope to hit odds like those in the future.
One "dirty" bee isn't too bad.
Awesome, I hope I have that kind of luck when I breed my pastel and spider in a couple years.
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Originally Posted by MS2
She's definitly not the nicest bee, but she IS a 2 gene animal. To me that's a better breeder that a "normal".
Personally, I would rather have a really nice normal or one gene snake, than a low quality two gene snake....
If I were to keep that bee, she would be a pet only.
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by MS2
I was just thinking that she looked odd( having no yellow, AT ALL), but I guess it happens more than I thought. I have never seen a bumble bee for sale that looks like her. Do breeders that produces these "dirty" bees sell them or just not even offer them for sale?
I think a lot of times the photos you see the most of a given morph are of really nice specimens of that morph. If you do a Google image search for "pastel ball python" you get a whole bunch of pictures of nice pastels, but if you look at the adult pastels for sale in the classifieds, most are pretty sub-awesome.
Just as there are animals in the top 10% tier of appearance, so there must be animals in the bottom 10% tier as well, and those might look "different" because they aren't average-looking. Honestly though, I have seen plenty of bees that look like that. I think you just don't see their pictures all over the Internet as much as the flashy ones.
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by MS2
She's definitly not the nicest bee, but she IS a 2 gene animal. To me that's a better breeder that a "normal".
Am I allowed to completely disagree with this statement :D
Quality is what gets you animals that people will want to buy.
I have normal adult females I'd much rather breed than a dirty browned out bee that will throw more dirty pastels and more dirty bee's.
I'd think twice about doing that pairing again.
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She is cute, though. She has character. :D
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by joebad976
Looks like a spider to me
I was thinking the same.
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This makes me worried about my bee...
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl
Am I allowed to completely disagree with this statement :D
Quality is what gets you animals that people will want to buy.
I have normal adult females I'd much rather breed than a dirty browned out bee that will throw more dirty pastels and more dirty bee's.
I'd think twice about doing that pairing again.
Here's one of her sibs. I think he's pretty nice......
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC_0056-1.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSC_0059-1.jpg
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I've seen worse I give you that, but it will be pretty brown as an adult, those high white sides save it some in the looks department, but the pastel used in this breeding is not doing you any favors.
A nice bee will have as few brown spots on it as possible...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...eBumblebee.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...MBumblebee.jpg
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl
WOW....thanks for ruining my party. It's my first time producing morphs, so I'm sure things will only get better.
I'm SURE the bee in your pics isn't the first one you produced. Quit hatin':D
.......and yes, your bee is SMOKING:bow: but sadly it is missing the high white sides.
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by MS2
WOW....thanks for ruining my party. It's my first time producing morphs, so I'm sure things will only get better.
I'm SURE the bee in your pics isn't the first one you produced. Quit hatin':D
.......and yes, your bee is SMOKING:bow: but sadly it is missing the high white sides.
My first season producing bees, they aren't exactly my ideal bee as you mention they could be higher white.
My intentions aren't to ruin your parade, please don't take it that way.
I'm just showing you that quality is important if you want to have people knocking down your door to buy your babies.
I have no doubt that if you're passionate about breeding you'll only get better at what you do :gj:
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Your whole clutch was that nice of quality? Thats Awesome for your first go round on the bees. Sadly at this time I can't invest in a high quality pastel or citrus at the moment, so I'll have to work with what I have for now....
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by MS2
Your whole clutch was that nice of quality? Thats Awesome for your first go round on the bees. Sadly at this time I can't invest in a high quality pastel or citrus at the moment, so I'll have to work with what I have for now....
Thanks!
I give the credit to my good from Rob for purchasing them as babies from VPI, he chose some nice parents.
The clutch had nothing but this and better quality, none were anything but very nice examples of their particular morph.
The pairing was Lesser X Blonde Bee
A few of the offspring
Lesser male
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...sermale202.jpg
Pastel lesser female that I kept
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/PICT9910.jpg
Lesserbee
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...rbeeFem2-1.jpg
Bee female showing some browning but not too bad
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...PICT9950-1.jpg
Good luck to you in your breeding adventures :gj:
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Damn Jerry, that was a sweet pairing and some sweet babies. Did you use the spotless lesser male? Does your bee have alot of spots? Suprised at the spots on the lesserbee since I saw the lesser that prob made it.
I agree that I would prefer a stunner normal over a sub par 2 gene breeder. Don't forget that it takes 2 to tango and both add some flavor to the mix.
To the OP, the second bee is much nicer but will still brown. The key to avoiding that is to not buy a browned out pastel, or one from a browned out parent. All pastels will brown, but some less then others. I would not buy a pastel with alot of tan, pink or orange as it will only brown with age. I have a number of pastels and one I picked for her neon yellows even though she has alittle more brown as an adult then I care for, another is so light she looks almost white and another is right inbetween with better yellows less brown and much lighter. Pastels are the morphs I would be the pickiest with, there are more to choose from and the differance in quality is much more apparent in combos. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl
no queen? :P
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can you show some better pics of it?
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Re: Abnormal Bee?
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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls
no queen? :P
The queenbee went to my partner Rob and is as hot or hotter than the lesserbee, I have no good pictures of her except preshed pics.
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Damn Jerry, that was a sweet pairing and some sweet babies. Did you use the spotless lesser male? Does your bee have alot of spots? Surprised at the spots on the lesserbee since I saw the lesser that prob made it.
Yes we used the spotless lesser male, but as you point out any pairing takes two to tango and yes the bee has spots ;)
The bee is a blonde bee and has some browning that is expected on adult bee's, but not too bad I don't think...
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT4599.jpg
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