boy it's tough to sell possible het females!

Females! I mean, I expected I wouldn't get anything for the males, but you'd think there'd still be a little bit of a market for 66% poss het girls, especially when the visuals are still selling for $3k.

Any other suggestions? Should I just keep dropping the price on them? I'm afraid I'll make some people angry for "bottoming out the market" if I go too low. But my husband also wants them out of the house. I just keep getting more snakes, and not selling any, and he's close to despairing... :)

What do u have and how much? :D

If you need them gone and don't care if you make any money you could sell them as normals. You might be able to wholesale them too.

I guess I could add OBO to the classifieds? And offer to guarantee genetics. Which I would have documented anyhow, but really, what good is it with possible hets? Even a "guaranteed
poss het is still only "possible," and buyers KNOW that.

What else? My brother was supposed to help me make a website, but he's got a new kid and a new job, and you know how it is with family. How much do websites help? it's money to buy the domain and money to host, but if they really help sell the babies, it's probably worth it. Especially since I'll have three or four clutches next year, instead of just the one!

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Originally Posted by Johnny84

What do u have and how much? :D

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:) The answer to "what" is 66% poss het lavenders.

"How much"? Well, I'm afraid I'll get into trouble with the mods there, because that question is a "sales" question. I've posted these gals on KS and over in the sales forum on this site, but I've used up my two bumps over here. ;)

Anybody with the same question, PM me? I'm going to try to keep the thread here on the topic of whether or not poss het girls are marketable, and try to stay out of trouble...

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Originally Posted by Kinra

If you need them gone and don't care if you make any money you could sell them as normals. You might be able to wholesale them too.

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Yeah, I figured I'd have to do that with the boys, but I'm a little surprised to have to do it with the girls. There are 66% poss het lavender girls for $400 on KS right now... but then again, they've been up for a couple weeks, so they're not selling fast at that price, either.

edit: nevermind, misread. it's late, lol

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If there is any value in visuals, 66% pos hets will sell. Determining market value that will move them is difficult.

It helps to have visual males (or 100% hets) for sale, and include the poss females in a group deal.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

back on topic:

If there is any value in visuals, 66% pos hets will sell. Determining market value that will move them is difficult.

It helps to have visual males (or 100% hets) for sale, and include the poss females in a group deal.

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Yeah, I'm keeping the visual, so the only males I have available are the 66% boys from the same clutch. I suppose I could pick up a 100% unrelated male, but that's a lot of work that might not pan out.

yeah sell even 100% hets for us new breeders is hard ( I gave away my 66% het pieds last year ( 3 went to a good cause) I been wanting a pair ofhet lavanders but can't afford a 400+ snakes. I can only really aquire snakes right now if done in trades or if a person loses interest in them. That is because getting a girlfriend ( while aready on a fixed income )means what little money I was making on odd jobs got to strech more cause it now goes like this snake/rodent supplies, gas and tolls to see her, and supplies for the odd jobs lol

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Originally Posted by Johnny84

What do u have and how much? :D

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This is not the place for this and I would appreciate if you would take your inquiry to PM

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yeah sell even 100% hets for us new breeders is hard ( I gave away my 66% het pieds last year ( 3 went to a good cause)

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Including the 66% girls?

Yeah, I think the "new breeder" thing isn't helping me. There's probably a market for 66% lavender girls, but why would you get them from me when you can get them from a reputable, established breeder who's well known to deliver exactly the genetics advertised. People do take advantage and sell normals as "poss hets", so it's worth getting the guarantee from someone reliable.

Plus the gas and tolls thing! Recessions don't help me sell snakes...

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Including the 66% girls?

Yeah, I think the "new breeder" thing isn't helping me. There's probably a market for 66% lavender girls, but why would you get them from me when you can get them from a reputable, established breeder who's well known to deliver exactly the genetics advertised. People do take advantage and sell normals as "poss hets", so it's worth getting the guarantee from someone reliable.

Plus the gas and tolls thing! Recessions don't help me sell snakes...

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I know personally I don't like messing with the 66% hets. So I don't know if there is less demand for them or not. If I was forced to get a 66% het of some kind it would be from the biggest breeder I could find. Those are just my 2 cents. I have seen a lot of breeders that have to sell there 66% as normal's, then they will just tell the person what the 66% het is. These were also bigger breeders not just hobby breeders. GL to ya.

Jackie, they'll sell. I sold a batch last year but they trickled out. Right now there are a ton of ads and lots to compete with. I have my best sales early in the season and late in the season when there isn't as much available. I would hold the price and feed them well. A nice size female will sell in Jan - Feb.

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

A nice size female will sell in Jan - Feb.

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Too true, grow those 66%ers and they'll sell in a few months.

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Jackie, they'll sell. I sold a batch last year but they trickled out. Right now there are a ton of ads and lots to compete with. I have my best sales early in the season and late in the season when there isn't as much available. I would hold the price and feed them well. A nice size female will sell in Jan - Feb.

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Thanks! That's great to hear. And they're chow hounds, too, unlike their little pos het brother, who I can't even wholesale until he eats something.

It's also really satisfying fattening them up and watching them grow. And kind of scary to think about stuffing them in a FedEx box to ship to Virginia, at least for this first clutch.

save the females until next year... then sell them with a 2012 visual male. you will get a LOT of money.

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Including the 66% girls?

Yeah, I think the "new breeder" thing isn't helping me. There's probably a market for 66% lavender girls, but why would you get them from me when you can get them from a reputable, established breeder who's well known to deliver exactly the genetics advertised. People do take advantage and sell normals as "poss hets", so it's worth getting the guarantee from someone reliable.

Plus the gas and tolls thing! Recessions don't help me sell snakes...

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Yeah the 66% het girls too I gave one to the girlfriend ( which died when her heat tape hada failure ( and rest of the snakes were fine) and the others went to Dan on fauna for a auction after all the Wise issues. ( and one het male went to heather wong when she traded for the one pied I had produced).

My 100% hets I had people ask about them but noone said yes to them yet.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

save the females until next year... then sell them with a 2012 visual male. you will get a LOT of money.

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Awesome advice Mike. I will be stealing this advice for myself in the years to come :D

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save the females until next year... then sell them with a 2012 visual male. you will get a LOT of money.

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Yeah, that's an idea. Though I'd get a lot of money for a 2012 visual male ANYWAY...

How concerned are people about unrelated siblings? One potential problem with selling my poss het girls with any visuals I produce this coming year is that they'll be full siblings. I certainly prefer unrelated pairings myself.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

I guess I could add OBO to the classifieds? And offer to guarantee genetics.

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Pretty tough to guarantee a "maybe". I myself won't mess w a possible het. the pairing idea is the best one i've read here though. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by womsterr

Pretty tough to guarantee a "maybe". I myself won't mess w a possible het. the pairing idea is the best one i've read here though. Good luck.

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Right, best I can "guarantee" is that their parents really were hets, and there really was a visual in the clutch. And... they kinda look orange-y? But it's still a 1 in 3 chance they're just normals.

On the other hand, you can often get a handful of possible het females for the same price as a single 100% het female. If they all prove out, that's a terrific deal. And some people seem to enjoy the slot-machine-and-blackjack thrill of proving out females.

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How concerned are people about unrelated siblings? One potential problem with selling my poss het girls with any visuals I produce this coming year is that they'll be full siblings. I certainly prefer unrelated pairings myself.

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Educated buyers couldn't care less.

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Me? Not at all.

Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned placing them in an ad with a visual. Well your visual is a holdback, right?

Why not put up a picture of the sibling holdback, and put "sold" under the picture? People would be more inclined to see a garuntee of the them being poss hets.

I will never attempt to breed anything that can have an outcome of poss hets. If I want something that bad I will save up and buy it. Unless it is 100% het and I can guarantee the het then I wont mess with it. I would never personally buy a poss het but if I did again it doesnt matter what guarantee you gave me id be going to the most reputable breeder and pay $hundreds more for it from them. Nothing against you I just dont mess with poss. It already takes long enough to get breeders going and then to add a chance of spending all that time and money on a poss normal... no thanks.

my .02

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I will never attempt to breed anything that can have an outcome of poss hets. If I want something that bad I will save up and buy it. Unless it is 100% het and I can guarantee the het then I wont mess with it. I would never personally buy a poss het but if I did again it doesnt matter what guarantee you gave me id be going to the most reputable breeder and pay $hundreds more for it from them. Nothing against you I just dont mess with poss. It already takes long enough to get breeders going and then to add a chance of spending all that time and money on a poss normal... no thanks.

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I used to think this way, but changed when I looked at it realistically. I have a bumblebee 100% het AX. I just picked up at a very good price (pretty much the cost of just the base morph) two female spiders 66% het AX. I also have a Pastel AX and a female AX. So, I've got a male (100% het) and two visual females. He can easily handle two more ladies. That is why I picked up the 66% hets.

Since I already have rack space available and raise my own food, it doesn't cost me very much to raise up the two 66% AX spiders. Should they not prove out, then they will at lease produce spiders and pastels that I will sell to pay for the moms and I can the sell the moms off as proven Spider breeders. Thus no real loss and maybe a little bit of profit. Now, suppose one of those 66% AX proves out and throws an AX Bumblebee or two - jackpot! Also, once one of them proves out, I have a steady breeder that is 100% het AX who will produce year after year.

If you have rack space and food then what is the harm in trying to prove out some possible hets?

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Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned placing them in an ad with a visual. Well your visual is a holdback, right?

Why not put up a picture of the sibling holdback, and put "sold" under the picture? People would be more inclined to see a garuntee of the them being poss hets.

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Oh, I did. I didn't say "sold", but I did put a picture of that visual in the ad. And you're right: the one phone inquiry I have gotten, it was because of the gorgeous visual.

Next time I post it, I might actually include a picture of the pipping eggs, too. So you can see I really did hatch what I claimed to hatch.

I like possible het females, at least from a buyer's perspective. This year I've started amassing a small army of morph poss het recessives. (They were originally going to be ALL females, but I did wind up with one male that I just couldn't pass up ...) They are WAY cheaper than buying guaranteed het animals -- the majority of them cost me little more than a stellar example of that morph would have anyway, and they're all really nice looking animals -- and I figure that if even a couple of them prove out, I'll have come out way ahead.

I agree with Rat160's sentiment that I really wouldn't want to do any breedings that could produce possible hets if I can at all avoid it -- I'd want to know for sure what I was offering for sale, plus of course greatly increase my chances of hitting on visual recessives. As a buyer, though, I've become a big fan of possible hets as a fun way to build up my recessive projects inexpensively. (... We'll see whether or not this is really such a great plan in about a year or so ..!)

So I guess maybe if you try to market them from that perspective (cheap way to build up your lavender projects!), plus maybe some enticing group shots with your visual animal, that might help move them out ..?

I personally try not to produce pos hets, but if I do produce them I usually sell them for the same price as normals, or sell them to pet stores as normals.