Risk of buying High End morphs?

I,ve already been puting money aside, to purchuse one of the more high end morphs, Will be spending around $2000 on one Python.

Im worried that if i spend that much money and what if she dosent prove out to be a breeder?

How often do pythons turn out to be a non breeder?

I don't believe it is a risk you need to worry about. I'm of the belief that most (if not all) pythons will breed as long as the environment and the timing are right.

Well I asked because on some large breeder sites, you see adult female pythons for sale at a cheap price, and it says the reason for the low price is, "never wanted to breed"

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Originally Posted by PythonOutlaw

Well I asked because on some large breeder sites, you see adult female pythons for sale at a cheap price, and it says the reason for the low price is, "never wanted to breed"

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It's true that some snakes are more stubborn than others about breeding. However, it's an unavoidable risk.

You CAN pay more for a "proven" breeder if it is a really big concern for you. I personally don't think it's worth the money unless you're in a hurry to start breeding.

Put your faith in the circle of life bro. Some breeders have so many snakes that they may not take the time to figure them out. By the way what kind of morph you planning on getting?

I think that snakes will breed eventually and like meow said, its all about the timing and the environment. Look at youtube videos of breeders and how they do it, they lower the temps and such to have a more successful breeding year and there are some who don't. You also have to think about age. Oh and IMO the high end morph you should get IMO are either champagnes or deserts. A high end dominate morph that will give you good outcomes.

Putting money into an animal to breed it is a risk. There's always a chance of things not working out or the market tanking. Don't invest money you can't afford to lose completely.

That being said, as long as you know what you're doing as far as husbandry goes, your odds are pretty good that your snake will produce for you.

Out of the 100+ breeders that I have I've only got 1 male or female that has yet to breed..

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Don't invest money you can't afford to lose completely.

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Could not agree more.

Those are live animals there is absolutely no guarantee.

They might not breed, or take much longer than the average to breed, the female could slug out or worse your animal could die.

It's rare but all those can happen.

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Originally Posted by VEXER19

Put your faith in the circle of life bro. Some breeders have so many snakes that they may not take the time to figure them out. By the way what kind of morph you planning on getting?

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Well, I was going to get a pewter pin, but I seen its sold.

There is a nice desert avaiable but i know nothing about that morph, ggoing to do some reading on that morph, Do you guys have any comments on deserts?

A BP dying before being able to breed is probably more likely than the likelihood of it reaching breeding age and, season after season, refusing.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

A BP dying before being able to breed is probably more likely than the likelihood of it reaching breeding age and, season after season, refusing.

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I agree with this.

If you are patient enough and not trying to push it, 99% of the animals out there will breed. There is always that arbitrary 1% of doubt, but I can't see how mother nature will not get involved and nature take its course.

The bottom line is don't expect it to happen immediately.. Plan for other choices if things don't work out that year.

Deserts seem to be the next big flavor. They are pricey, and look clean and pretty, but personally I don't like them enough to spend the money for 'em.


Then again, obviously that is just my personal taste. If you like them, then go for it and make some stunning offspring!

For example, I love ghosts, and the combos they produce, though at the recent St. Louis reptile show, there was a breeder that told me he never could stand ghosts.

Deserts make everything so much brighter. It really is a stunning dominate morph and it makes everything just eye popping. I know a breeder that has a desert blast and it is one of the brightest bps i have ever seen.

I personally don't like how deserts look themselves. However, I believe they make the most gorgeous combos. Its a good investment IMO.

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If was you and you are worried about a snake not breeding this is what I would do. Get just a ghost female for couple hundred. Then buy two males that are double gene co dom. You will spend a litrle more then 2k but it will give you way more options.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet. Deserts are amazing when combined with other mutations. However, there could be problems with females and fertility. As far as I know, there is no clear documented evidence that a female desert (single mutation or combo) has had a successful clutch hatch. Most breeders who have revealed their results tell of females that slug out or reabsorb their follicles. There have been rumors and people who "know someone" who has successfully hatched eggs from a desert female, but none of those people have produced any evidence.

That being said, there were discussions going on in a different forum earlier this year about female deserts needing more time to develop (at least three years) and possibly needing lower temperatures (higher temps might be linked to slugs). Unfortunately, with the tragic fire that destroyed Pro Exotics' entire desert collection, any results from these ideas will come much later now.

Knowing all this, I still decided to buy a male desert simply because the combo potential is so amazing. Even the desert mutation itself is amazing. My boy sometimes seems to glow. I can't wait to see what he does for me in the future.

Ya cant go wrong with a male desert. They are like pastels in the fact that they make anything you put them to that much better. I wouldnt give 100 bucks for a female though. There are guys that have been yrying to breed them for years. If it could be done with auccess it would have been done already. The guys saying that all ya gotta do is lower temps or this or that or tickle their chins and yadda yadda yadda are just trying to save a dying market on female deserts.

Thats strange, And thank you guys for bringing that up, Knowing this now there is no way I will spend $2000 on a female desert.

With these problems I cant belive females are going for 2g's

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Originally Posted by PythonOutlaw

Thats strange, And thank you guys for bringing that up, Knowing this now there is no way I will spend $2000 on a female desert.

With these problems I cant belive females are going for 2g's

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Well it is a highly sought after morph, and Pro Exotics was exploring the possibility that they only need lower temperatures in order to be fertile. I highly doubt that the bad rep desert females have been getting will last. It's only a matter of time before we figure out what makes them tick, and then it will be a non-issue. :)

there are so many morphs for around 2000 that you can get that will be great projects. Orange dream will truly brighten other morphs. Have you seen a dream bee? There are mystics so you can get mystic potions. Champagnes are powerful morphs. OR you can get those 3 to 4 gene mutations, that way when you breed to a normal or something you won't get a normal in the clutch...i think

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Originally Posted by Maddumpling

there are so many morphs for around 2000 that you can get that will be great projects. Orange dream will truly brighten other morphs. Have you seen a dream bee? There are mystics so you can get mystic potions. Champagnes are powerful morphs. OR you can get those 3 to 4 gene mutations, that way when you breed to a normal or something you won't get a normal in the clutch...i think

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Im kind of limited on what pythons I can get, you guys in the united states have far more high qaulity breeders to choose pythons from then us in Canada.

I do like the brighter morphs and have a few ideas on what I want to work with. Was thinking of splitting the $2000, Getting something to brighten up what I have, and mabey something like a pied, so I can try to get bee %100 het pied. and make some bumblee pied down the road

I'm gioing to back up the worst case it could die. I had a female hedgehog, stellar lines. Havefour babies in litter one. Two girls sold as breeders. Nova had a second litter and it turns out gad a heart defect and die. I lost mom, six babiesand had to tell the people to not breed her daughters.

It sucked :/

I anticipate the desert market crashing big time with females not producing. I've already seen a female for 1k and a male for 1.5k by next year I'm guessing they won't be worth much. Except possibly the males.

My. 02

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I've already seen a female for 1k and a male for 1.5k by next year I'm guessing they won't be worth much. Except possibly the males.

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Got a link for the male? I've been paying some attention to the asking prices and the average is still about $2500. I have only seen two listed below that and the lowest was 2350.

still seeing if I can find that link, but in the process found a female desert 1k obo

Just found two male deserts 2011 for 2k ea

You have 2 pastels and 1 bumble bee. Buy a few more double co-dom females and mate them up with the bee. Figure out what you want to make and get the snakes that you need. I have a female bee that I am pairing up with a pewter next year. It gives me a shot at a 4 co-dom gene snake. Personally I bought what I needed to make the supers I want and will wait until next year to get creative with the morph's I produce. I want the supers so I won't make any more normals.

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Originally Posted by Rat160

I anticipate the desert market crashing big time with females not producing. I've already seen a female for 1k and a male for 1.5k by next year I'm guessing they won't be worth much. Except possibly the males.

My. 02

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Actually I see just the opposite, once they get a mostly fertile clutch from a female, the prices are going to sky rocket back up. Then the possibility of a super desert.... :)